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I went to Golfsmith to use their launch monitor for some numbers on the B330s I'm helping review. So....while I was there I figured I'd check out the SLDR and hit it against my R1.

The guy helping me....cannot call him a "fitter"...was real nice but seemed overly interested in keeping the launch angle down....which I thought odd.

 

My R1 numbers look good to my completely untrained eye.

It looks like there might be some yards to gain by "lofting up" the SLDR ??

 

What I did find interesting was that....even set all the way to FADE.....the SLDR went 31 yards further left than the R1.

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You're almost at the vaunted "17/1700" that TM is pushing for SLDR with your current club.

I think these numbers demonstrate certain swing speeds still benefit from some spin on the ball to keep it aloft longer. Doesn't look like there is anything to be gained at 10º, anyway. Any reason you didn't hit the 12º head while you were there to avoid conjecture if it would be better?

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You need to loft up son! Did he try this at 10.5-12*? I'm not saying the SLDR is better, but from what I know you could have benefited from 400rpm more spin.

This guy was really pretty anti-loft and I didn't want to get into it with him....so....No didn't try lofting up.  That will be round 2 when he's not working ;)

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Quick question though.....will the shaft I have in my R1 work in the SLDR?

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Quick question though.....will the shaft I have in my R1 work in the SLDR?

It will fit, but you will not know what thte loft settings are when you go to adjust it.. 

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I went to Golfsmith to use their launch monitor for some numbers on the B330s I'm helping review. So....while I was there I figured I'd check out the SLDR and hit it against my R1.

 

The guy helping me....cannot call him a "fitter"...was real nice but seemed overly interested in keeping the launch angle down....which I thought odd.

 

My R1 numbers look good to my completely untrained eye.

It looks like there might be some yards to gain by "lofting up" the SLDR ??

 

What I did find interesting was that....even set all the way to FADE.....the SLDR went 31 yards further left than the R1.

 

 

Was the weight SLD all the way to fade, and the loft set at N??  If so, try a 12* head set to lower, and SLD the weight all the way to the Toe... 

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2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

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This guy was really pretty anti-loft and I didn't want to get into it with him....so....No didn't try lofting up.  That will be round 2 when he's not working ;)

 

I knew you were too nice of a guy.  I would have pointed out that I did not give a flying f### what he wanted I wanted to try more loft.  But then again, I am not necessarily know for my why can't we all get along attitude.

 

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It will fit, but you will not know what thte loft settings are when you go to adjust it.. 

There is no correlation....such as 12 on the r1 would equal "higher" on the SLDR ?

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Was the weight SLD all the way to fade, and the loft set at N??  If so, try a 12* head set to lower, and SLD the weight all the way to the Toe...

Yes.   Thanks...I'll try that combo.  I really want to try it with my current shaft too.

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:mizuno-small:  MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex)
 :callaway-small: PM Grind Wedges
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I knew you were too nice of a guy.  I would have pointed out that I did not give a flying f### what he wanted I wanted to try more loft.  But then again, I am not necessarily know for my why can't we all get along attitude.

LOL...they let me use their LM for the Bridgestone B330s testing for free...then let me hit a bunch of balls with both the SLDR and my R1 for free too.  If I was paying for anything I'd have had a bit different attitude :)

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:mizuno-small:  MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex)
 :callaway-small: PM Grind Wedges
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Quick math suggests you could add another 2° to the SLDR and still be under 2000 RPM. Of course if you're missing left, you're probably de-lofting as well. Definitely try that 12°. Based on your misses, I would rather keep the face square than close down a 10.5­° to try and get more loft.

 

Under 1500 or so, and definitely by 1300 is where the ball flight models suggest lack of spin actually becomes a problem. Don't tell Callaway I said this, but you need to add spin too.

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There is no correlation....such as 12 on the r1 would equal "higher" on the SLDR ?

There is a correlation, but I don't have an R1 tip in front of me.  I believe neutral on the R1 is the 10° position correct?  So putting it into the SLDR in that position would equal whatever the stated loft on the head is.  i.e. 10.5 in the 10.5 head and 12 in the 12 head.  R1 adjusts 2° either way so you can just add or subtract to get what the actual loft is you are playing.

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It will fit, but you will not know what thte loft settings are when you go to adjust it..

 

Ooh so if we set it at neutral ie. my shaft in my r11 s will it be 12 degrees in the SLDR? Inquiring minds really want to know and totally respect your answer.

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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There is a correlation, but I don't have an R1 tip in front of me.  I believe neutral on the R1 is the 10° position correct?  So putting it into the SLDR in that position would equal whatever the stated loft on the head is.  i.e. 10.5 in the 10.5 head and 12 in the 12 head.  R1 adjusts 2° either way so you can just add or subtract to get what the actual loft is you are playing.

Cool.  That makes perfect sense.

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:mizuno-small:  MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex)
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Ooh so if we set it at neutral ie. my shaft in my r11 s will it be 12 degrees in the SLDR? Inquiring minds really want to know and totally respect your answer.

The R11s tip won't fit in the SLDR, that's the last model before the change.  The R9/r11/r11s tips are different than the R1/SLDR/RBZ Stage 2 tips.

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Ooh so if we set it at neutral ie. my shaft in my r11 s will it be 12 degrees in the SLDR? Inquiring minds really want to know and totally respect your answer.

Will not fit..

 

 

The R11s tip won't fit in the SLDR, that's the last model before the change.  The R9/r11/r11s tips are different than the R1/SLDR/RBZ Stage 2 tips.

what he said....

 

I am looking at both tips... and Standard on an R1 tip is between the 10.5* and 9.5* setting. this is the same as STD Loft on an SLDR tip.

Lower on SLDR = 8* on R1

Higher on SLDR = 12* on R1

Ect.....

Trying to figure out what loft you are truly playing could be a mess.  Just hit them on a LM and look at the data.

 

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Yes both of you are correct the tip did not fit - I tried it.  It's wierd though, for now I'm not having much trouble with the longer shaft, I'm hitting lots of balls flush with the SLDR, really as many as I did with my R11s that was 3/4 inch shorter.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Yes both of you are correct the tip did not fit - I tried it.  It's wierd though, for now I'm not having much trouble with the longer shaft, I'm hitting lots of balls flush with the SLDR, really as many as I did with my R11s that was 3/4 inch shorter.

Look at your handicap card..  See the number right next to where it says "Current Handicap"??  See how is is less than 4??  That is why you make such good contact..

 

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Hybrid - :srixon-small: ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S

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I guess that's the case. I'm starting to swing like my handicap indicates too so at least I have that going for me. :)

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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