MarcKilgore 18 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 The new book from Mark Broadie is out Every Shot Counts: Using the Revolutionary Strokes Gained Approach to Improve ... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C1N5W84/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_TTWmtb0M2R4VS I find this very timely, as we are talking about the "most wanted" clubs. I just downloaded the Kindle version and am going to give it a read while there is still snow on the ground. For those of you who do not know who Mark Broadie is, he's the professor that came up with the "putting strokes gained" statistic. From the brief discussions I've read, he's pretty much proved that driving is the most important part of the game - not putting - contrary to popular belief. His analysis has shown that tee shots account for 28% of the shots gained in a round, versus 17% for putting. Quote GBB Epic 10.5° - Recoil ES 450 regular mini 1.5 14° - Recoil ES 450 regular XR OS 16 Hybrid (3-5) - Fubuki AT 55/60 regular shafts Apex (6-PW) - Recoil 65 F3 regular shafts 1°flat MD4 Tour Chrome wedges (50W/54S/58C) - S200 1°flat Futura X 34" - Superstroke Slim 3.0 Link to post Share on other sites
The Artful Duffer 2 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Golf and math?! Sweet.(No seriously, I love these kinds of reads) I am definitely gonna check this one out. Quote In Nick's Ogio Edge Stand BagDriver: Taylormade Rocketballz 9.5* Aldila Rip'd NV StiffFairway: Tour Edge CB4 15* Rip Gamma StiffHybrid: Adams Idea Pro A12 18* KBS Tour XIrons: Mizuno MP-53 3-PW DG X100Wedges: Mizuno MP R-12 52* & 56* DG SpinnerPutter: Taylormade Ghost Spider Si 38" Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,017 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I also want to read the book. I'm not sure that I totally buy into his theory as yet. I the end the drives I hit are real drives just as the putts that I hit are real putts. It seems to be fanciful math that claims a shot that I hit 14 times needs to be practiced and perfected ahead of one that I hit 32 times. I know he applies his numbers to amateurs but I'm not convinced that the comp works. Quote Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood G30 6-PW - Aerotech FT 500 shafts SCOR 48,52,56,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to post Share on other sites
GolfSpy WD 13 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Thanks for the tip! I picked up a copy and it'll be the next book I read. Quote @GolfSpy_WD Link to post Share on other sites
MarcKilgore 18 Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 I'm around 1/3 through the book, and the thing that I still think is that you need to practice what is easiest for you to fix - not necessarily in agreement with what he says. For me, if I chunk two chip shots in a round (which I just freaking did last weekend), that's much easier for me to address than lengthening my drive off the tee. I do however, agree with him on his putting analysis. Unless you totally suck at putting, you probably are better off spending that time working on other parts of your game, as there are diminishing returns. Example... practicing 15-20 foot putts are a waste of time because even the great putters miss most of them. I'm not done with the book yet, so it would be unfair for me to comment further until I finish. Quote GBB Epic 10.5° - Recoil ES 450 regular mini 1.5 14° - Recoil ES 450 regular XR OS 16 Hybrid (3-5) - Fubuki AT 55/60 regular shafts Apex (6-PW) - Recoil 65 F3 regular shafts 1°flat MD4 Tour Chrome wedges (50W/54S/58C) - S200 1°flat Futura X 34" - Superstroke Slim 3.0 Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,017 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I'm around 1/3 through the book, and the thing that I still think is that you need to practice what is easiest for you to fix - not necessarily in agreement with what he says. For me, if I chunk two chip shots in a round (which I just freaking did last weekend), that's much easier for me to address than lengthening my drive off the tee. I do however, agree with him on his putting analysis. Unless you totally suck at putting, you probably are better off spending that time working on other parts of your game, as there are diminishing returns. Example... practicing 15-20 foot putts are a waste of time because even the great putters miss most of them. I'm not done with the book yet, so it would be unfair for me to comment further until I finish.But that is not radical. Dave Pelz figured that one out quite some time ago. Avoiding three putts is a huge deal. You avoid three putts by working on your distance control with the putter and working on holing short putts. I don't care what this guy says lacking those two skills will kill your score unless of course you stick all your irons close. This isn't rocket science or brain surgery or even Greek. Quote Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood G30 6-PW - Aerotech FT 500 shafts SCOR 48,52,56,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to post Share on other sites
Shambles 4 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 There might be something to the idea. It's obvious that the Drive is a very important part of the game as witness the LPGA vs the PGA player. On the same fairway the PGA player will be playing a mid to short iron for the green after his Drive whereas the LPGA will be using a long to mid, sometimes even a fairway. Diferent skill sets defined by the length of the Drive. Both appear to be reasonably equal in the short game and the Putt. Personally I would rather be the aggressor against Par than the defender against Bogey. Shambles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,017 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I'm not saying that the data and the reading of the data is not without its merit. I'm just not buying the entire package at this time. It's still about what is necessary to get the ball into the hole in the fewest number of strokes. Seems to me that he's interested in how I do vs. another player of my relative ability while I'm concerned with how to tame the course. I think if I can take care of the course I'll hold my own against players of my ability. Quote Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood G30 6-PW - Aerotech FT 500 shafts SCOR 48,52,56,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to post Share on other sites
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