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I do appreciate the answers and always enjoy your perspective Furu. One of the many things I like about MGS is the number of folks from different countries and places in the world.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

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Usually the fake will have different sized fonts for the lettering, the color of the paint is just a little off as well, and the head cover is just a bit different. After it arrives take it to one of the local trustworthy golf shops, and they will tell you for sure.


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**UPDATE**

 

I had a horrible first outing with my new club. I was hooking it (which is something I never do - usually a straight shot or baby fade). I decided to go to the range to see what the problem was. A friend of mine showed up with a SLDR and I showed him mine (he bought a 10.5 and mine is a 14). The head on his SLDR was noticeably bigger than mine. Mine kinda looked like a 430 sized head compared to his.....Not sure what to do. I did figure out my problem and was hitting it like I was at the demo day but still.... 


DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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Did you  ever determine if this club was authentic? I did the same thing bought on impulse then did research. I ordered from the same seller.Please let me know mine will not be here until Friday the 18th. I may just send it back.

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It was $269 for the bonded one. I figured since I was fit for it, why adjust it. The flight was better when he had it at 16 but on the spec sheet, he wrote 14 and neutral setting. 2 days after I bought it, he dropped the price to $249. I asked him about it and he didn't reply...debating on his feedback...

Dude, that price drop is just supply and demand. 3 months from now they'll be $199


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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If you are concerned with its authenticity, I would start by calling the Taylormade Customer Service Department and reading them the serial number on the club. People have gotten really good at counterfeiting clubs these days and the only way to protect yourself on eBay is to look at the sellers rating, past reviews for similar products that they have sold.

 

I had a similar situation recently with a Taylormade SLDR driver. A seller on eBay was listing it for $250, $150 below msrp. I am a firm believer in the old adage "if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is". So I began to big into the sellers feedback rating and look at specific reviews for other SLDR customers. The seller had a 99% seller rating, but I did not find any other SLDR sales that were commented on. So I began to look at other items for sale and reviews for those items. Most notably other name brand drivers sales that had been reviewed. In this regard, I found nothing but positive reviews. The last thing that I checked was the sellers return policy. He listed a 14 day return policy, which made me feel more comfortable. Even if a buyer does not offer a return policy, eBay always protects the buyer in cases of counterfeit products. I have always liked this about eBay. So I purchased the driver. When it arrived in the mail, I called Taylormade and they were able to confirm the serial number right away.

 

I had another situation with a Scotty Cameron putter that turned out to be counterfeit. I identified the counterfeit as soon as I began to pull it out of the box. So I contacted the seller for a return and refund. After receiving no response from the seller about the return. I promptly opened an eBay Buyer Protection Case and they were able to get my money back within a week. 


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If you are concerned with its authenticity, I would start by calling the Taylormade Customer Service Department and reading them the serial number on the club. People have gotten really good at counterfeiting clubs these days and the only way to protect yourself on eBay is to look at the sellers rating, past reviews for similar products that they have sold.

 

I had a similar situation recently with a Taylormade SLDR driver. A seller on eBay was listing it for $250, $150 below msrp. I am a firm believer in the old adage "if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is". So I began to big into the sellers feedback rating and look at specific reviews for other SLDR customers. The seller had a 99% seller rating, but I did not find any other SLDR sales that were commented on. So I began to look at other items for sale and reviews for those items. Most notably other name brand drivers sales that had been reviewed. In this regard, I found nothing but positive reviews. The last thing that I checked was the sellers return policy. He listed a 14 day return policy, which made me feel more comfortable. Even if a buyer does not offer a return policy, eBay always protects the buyer in cases of counterfeit products. I have always liked this about eBay. So I purchased the driver. When it arrived in the mail, I called Taylormade and they were able to confirm the serial number right away.

 

I had another situation with a Scotty Cameron putter that turned out to be counterfeit. I identified the counterfeit as soon as I began to pull it out of the box. So I contacted the seller for a return and refund. After receiving no response from the seller about the return. I promptly opened an eBay Buyer Protection Case and they were able to get my money back within a week. 

 

 

Ace of Clubs is spot on......check the serial number with the mfg....usually, this can be done by going to the mfg website and registering the club....I have done so several times with Nike, Callaway, Cleveland, Cobra & Mizuno.


Driver: Tour Edge Exotics EXS w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Fairways:  Cobra King F8 3W(14.5*) & 5W(18.5*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Hybrids: Tour Edge CBX 119 4H(22*)  with Project X Evenflo regular shaft Irons: Wilson Staff D7 5 - PW w/Recoil 460 regular shafts Wedges: Wilson D7 GW(48*) & SW(54*) Cobra King F8 LW(58*)all wedges have Recoil 460 regular shafts Putter: 33" Bellum-Winmore 707 putter Bag: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag(Peacoat Blue).

 

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The size of the head might look different because the loft is different.  I would check it with another 14 degree SLDRs


Driver:  Taylormade 2017 M2 9.5 degree head played at 8 degrees.  Fujikura speeder evolution tour spec x flex shaft tipped 1/4 inch.  

 

3-Wood: 15 degree M2 tour.  Fujikura pro 73 tour spec X flex shaft.  

 

Mizuno H5 2 iron.

 

4 iron: mizuno mp h4 4 iron dynamic gold s300

 

5-pw iron: mizuno mp 54 dynamic gold s300

 

52, 56, 60 wedges: cleveland 588 rotex cavity

 

putter: 34 inch nike method 00 half circle mallet putter

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Did any of you watch the show "in play" on Monday? The golf channel had a special about counterfeit clubs. At 1 point, the guy from Titleist had to cut it in 2 to tell them apart  :o I had thought about calling them with the serial number but if they copied it off an authentic club, how would they be able to tell? Anyways, performance wise everything had started going to the right and I mean BALLLOOON SLICES so I sold it and bought an R1 from a certified seller on ebay. Much better results. And to think, I bought the SLDR-S so that I could save money and in the long run, I could have bought an original from Golfsmith or TGW for the same price I payed the R1 and SLDR-S. Lesson learned. 

 

Did I ever find out it's fake, technically NO but deep down I believe it really was.


DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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Serial number checks do you absolutely zero good. It's pointless to do and most, and I know TMag has told me before, will tell you that they'll tell you if the serial is in the system but that means nothing. Why? Because counterfeiters are getting real serials off of real clubs and using them. Don't waste your time with that because it's a worthless check.

 

As for the appearance if a size difference, it's going to look different because of the loft and the face being slightly taller as the loft goes up. The face angle is different as well. Only way to measure true head volume is a displacement test, meaning fill a bucket of water and submerge the head and see how many cc's of water it displaces.

 

Post some more pics with the plastic off, the tell takes are easy to spot in good clear pics with the plastic off. Take a face pic, one of the sole, one of the serial, one of the crown and graphics on the crown as well as toe and heel shots. There are easy to spot tells.

 

Just saw you sold it. If you suspected it was fake, why would you pass it on in the marketplace? Should've sent it to TMag and had them inspect it. From the 1 pic you did post, there are no tells. Sole graphics were spot on (they always miss on the badges) and the colors were dead on the money (again, something they get wrong every time by a slight shade difference). Now you're on the hook if your suspicions are correct and the person you sold it to sends it and finds out it's fake (I don't believe it is btw).


In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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I registered the club. I feel like it was a fake. A lot of people that saw the pics here say it wasn't. I sold it because a guy wanted it and even though I told him what I thought, he didn't care. I talked to him recently and he loves it. Maybe it wasn't. All I know is that is what a very different club for me than the actual SLDR. 


DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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When trying to detect fakes, you inspect UNTIL you find something wrong.   You don't judge authenticity by finding a few things that are right, you add up the things that are wrong.  Serial number checking will often not tip the tell because the fakers copy real serials.   But if you call TMag and they say your serial doesn't belong to a 12 SLDR 460, you've got a tell.   TMag won't tell you what it should belong to, only that it doesn't belong to what you've got.

 

Another tip for buying on ebay -- buy clubs that are clearly USED from folks like Globalgolf and 3balls etc.  If they are TMag and stamped ARP, even better.  No counterfeiter is going to stamp his stuff as an unsold overstock manufacturer buy backs like ARP.   Still great clubs, what do you care if they are scuffed?   They'll be scuffed the first time you take them to the range.

 

Biggest tip I can give you.   Never ever ever buy anything online from Asia.  If the seller is in China, Russia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan or even Austalia, pass.   You can do better over here anyway.    You follow this one tip, you elimate 95% of your risk.  (Japan is a special case.)

 

Here's the dirtiest secret that the manufacturers really don't want you to know.   Often the counterfeiters are the subcontracting chinese factories themselves.   They do this in many ways.   They reverse engineer quickly and accurately.  They are not destroying their QC rejects, they are sneaking the head molds out to their cousins factories or they are simply producing extra unauthorized product in what the Italians call the "turno notturno"  -- the night shift.   

 

This is very hard to prevent and it is why many manufacturers assemble and stamp finished product in the US.   I used to work in anti-counterfeiting in the luxury leather goods business (Prada, LV, Gucci, Fendi, etc.) and we had all the same problems.   I can tell you that the profit margins are sooo great that anyone who can be bribed will be bribed, even the makers of security badges, holograms, and labels.  

 

Golf product is a little harder to fake because the finished product is a tool that has to do something, not just a purse that has to hang on the arm.    If it perfoms badly or feels funny, you can spot it right away.   But by then it is too late if you've already bought it..   You'll note that in the Jimmy Roberts episode, the Titleist "fake" performed well, but at the wrong loft spec.   This could be a ) a real club because the mannies don't actually produce their products to super tight spec levels anyway or b ) a night shift fake.

 

So if I worked in anti-counterfeiting why do buy nearly all my clubs on Ebay?   Because the risk is quite low for the kinds of things I buy.   If I buy a used ARP SLDR head, I'm not at much risk.   If I buy a whole set of used Speedblade irons for say $350, I'm not at much risk.  (Counterfeiters don't fake whole sets, they like high margin single ticket items.)   But that said, I would NEVER EVER EVER shop for a vintage Scotty Cameron on ebay without factory certifications.   I'd probably avoid buying a used Graphite Design AD-DI6 shaft on ebay unless I knew the seller.   Cameron is to golf as Louis Vuitton is to handbags.   It's bling.   High margin, all fashion, the counterfeiters dream.   If you really want the bling go get the real thing.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Don't buy ARP. Zero warranty.

 

From now on, if you worry about authenticity because you can't spot it ( and every fake golf club you can tell because something is incorrect on it, from badging being slightly off to the typeface being slightly wrong or the color being slightly different, etc. only way you can't tell is if they don't use actual item pictures or steal pictures and send something different). But if you worry, when buying on eBay, here's TaylorMade's authorized eBay seller list:

 

http://taylormadegolf.com/shared-customer-service/customerService-authorizedebay.html

 

I will say one that is intriguing to me is that rock bottom golf isn't on there (not saying their stuff isn't legit because it is, just intrigues me).


In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Well, technically anything resold as used online and unregistered is not warrantied and you'll be relying on the kindness of the manny to service it.   Some are tougher than others.   Last club I returned to TMag was replaced no questions asked.   They sent me the replacement head, new shaft, h/c and tool without even asking for my serial number over the phone or where I bought it.   I could have failed to return the defective head in the paid return mailer they sent me and they wouldn't have cared.  

 

Now Ping is a different story.   You'd better have all your ducks in a row before you call with Ping.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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It seems like you saved some money buying on EBAY but lost the peace of mind. Will you be buying more clubs from EBAY or has this situation deterred you from buying there again? 


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