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Hopefully it will be the Version 3 and I await your write-up with baited breath!


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Thanks Darren for your update on the Ketsch!

 

Am looking forward to everyone's investigative work on the enigmatic Ketsch family :)

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I stopped by the local Dick's over the Holidays and noted that they still have a Ping Ketsch, Version #2 on hand for $200.

 

so I rolled a couple and am still amazed at the smoothness of it.  Just wish the price was lower.


Driver: Tour Edge Exotics EXS w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Fairways:  Cobra King F8 3W(14.5*) & 5W(18.5*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Hybrids: Tour Edge CBX 119 4H(22*)  with Project X Evenflo regular shaft Irons: Wilson Staff D7 5 - PW w/Recoil 460 regular shafts Wedges: Wilson D7 GW(48*) & SW(54*) Cobra King F8 LW(58*)all wedges have Recoil 460 regular shafts Putter: 33" Bellum-Winmore 707 putter Bag: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag(Peacoat Blue).

 

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Considering I paid almost USD370 for a CB version, I reckon $200 is a good deal.

Sometimes I wish I can go over to the US and grab a bunch of putters back.

One day I will.... :)


Irons: Miura PP9003 KBS Tour 90 R 5-P

Wedges: Miura New Wedge Series 51 Deg, Cobra Tour Trusty 56 Deg

Driver: Bridgestone JGR 10.5 with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

3 Wood: Bridgestone JGR 3W with Tour AD J16-11W Stiff Reg stock JDM

Hybrid: Bridgestone JGR 4H with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

Putter: Ping Sigma G Kinloch C 

Right handed, lives in Singapore

Playing in the mid 90s and trying my best to break 90 consistently.

 

 

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I called Ping and Darren's serial number came up as a perfect match in their DB.  Interesting, you have to tell the CS people what region the club came out of so they can switch to the right database.   Europe, the US and Asia are all separate.    But that goofy shaft label is authentic.

 

So it's a QC issue with the paint loss and the rusting.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Here's a pretty sweet version 2 CB model with a 38" shaft and an aftermarket SuperStroke belly grip for only $125.   Ebay #271730975815

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bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Thank you Mark. It's reassuring to know I have a real Ketsch albeit one with a QC problem.

 

Thinking back, it's kind of weird to see where the putters are made.

Asian putters are machined in US and then sent to Japan to assemble.

Yet the ones in US are machined in US/China? and then assembled in China and sent back to the US?

 

Anyway I understand from my rep that my putter will be sent back to the workshop today.

Hopefully I will have some updates later in the week.

 

Edit: I don't have this in the box though. I didn't even have a box in the first place.


Irons: Miura PP9003 KBS Tour 90 R 5-P

Wedges: Miura New Wedge Series 51 Deg, Cobra Tour Trusty 56 Deg

Driver: Bridgestone JGR 10.5 with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

3 Wood: Bridgestone JGR 3W with Tour AD J16-11W Stiff Reg stock JDM

Hybrid: Bridgestone JGR 4H with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

Putter: Ping Sigma G Kinloch C 

Right handed, lives in Singapore

Playing in the mid 90s and trying my best to break 90 consistently.

 

 

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I was down at one of the PING dealers yesterday and was told that even the Ketsch (New) would be discontinued and the rep there told me that he had just received news from his boss that they would not be taking in any more orders for the Ketsch.

 

If so, Darren is probably gonna be one of the very few proud owners of a PING Ketsch in Singapore...

 

There was a Ketsch in his shop, and it was the New version. Specs wasn't what i was looking for, else I may have been really tempted :(

 

What a pity... no more Ketsches headed this way, at least to this part of the world i guess...

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Few yes. Proud? Not sure haha in view of the fragile nature of this putter.

My rep just told me they are repairing my putter as we speak. Paintfill will be touched up and the rusty part were attributed to dirt. I really wish I had a micro lens to take a photo before I sent in because it looked like rust to me. I know because I was selling steel products for a decade.

 

Anyway I read online (http://www.thehackersparadise.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-42474.html) that a silicone lubricant can be used to to protect the putter. The silicone( http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=02094 ) is non abrasive so I might just want to try it provided I can find it in Singapore.

 

If what Murac said is true, then perhaps the new version 3 might be out soon. For Ping to release 3 versions in a year, wow the Ketsch seems to be cursed.


Irons: Miura PP9003 KBS Tour 90 R 5-P

Wedges: Miura New Wedge Series 51 Deg, Cobra Tour Trusty 56 Deg

Driver: Bridgestone JGR 10.5 with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

3 Wood: Bridgestone JGR 3W with Tour AD J16-11W Stiff Reg stock JDM

Hybrid: Bridgestone JGR 4H with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

Putter: Ping Sigma G Kinloch C 

Right handed, lives in Singapore

Playing in the mid 90s and trying my best to break 90 consistently.

 

 

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Who knows what they are doing and why at Ping with the Kursed Ketsch. 

 

I'll still keep using mine though.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Who knows what they are doing and why at Ping with the Kursed Ketsch. 

 

I'll still keep using mine though.

 

I have to admit, I thought the Ketsch was a fluke.  I tried one for the first time last week.  15/15 from 8' and 13/15 from 15'; the 15' putt had 2' of break and the two I missed hit the lip and finished within 6".  My Slight Arc V2 should be here any day now.

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The Ketsch I got straight from PING had this in the box.

 

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I have a version 1 and my serial number starts 0060, NOT 0066.

 

Does this mean I don't qualify for the rebate?

 

Does this mean that my grooves may not be too deep?

 

Was mine in an earlier production run?

 

I guess in the end it doesn't matter because the thing just flat out makes puts.  Not the best feeling putter, but I haven't tried anything more effective at getting the ball in the hole.  Like Bones said (more or less), when it misses the next put is a tap in.


What's in the Bag:

Driver: TaylorMade SLDR 10.5 (set to 11.5), Kuro Kage Aftermarket Only Blue 60S, NDMC+4

Fairway: Callaway Big Berth Alpha 815 14 (set to +2,N), Speeder 665 Stiff, NDMC

Hybrid: Adams XTD-ti 20 (set to 19.5), Matrix hQ3 Red Tie Stiff

Irons: Mizuno JPX 825 Pro 4-GW, KBS Tour Stiff, 1* flat, Blue PURE DTX

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T11, 56/13 & 60/5, DG Spinner, Blue PURE DTX

Putter: Bettinardi Studio Stock 15, 34", 5* loft, 2* flat, SuperStroke Slim LITE 3.0 

Bag: Mizuno Aerolite SPR stand bag

Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Urethane (summer), Srixon Q-STAR Yellow (winter)

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Mine starts with 00595 and it's an early version 1 with seriously deep and wide grooves.  My whole face is practically white.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Ketsch 3.0 is out? :)

And my 2.0 is still in the workshop because they don't have the paintfill :(...Sigh


Irons: Miura PP9003 KBS Tour 90 R 5-P

Wedges: Miura New Wedge Series 51 Deg, Cobra Tour Trusty 56 Deg

Driver: Bridgestone JGR 10.5 with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

3 Wood: Bridgestone JGR 3W with Tour AD J16-11W Stiff Reg stock JDM

Hybrid: Bridgestone JGR 4H with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

Putter: Ping Sigma G Kinloch C 

Right handed, lives in Singapore

Playing in the mid 90s and trying my best to break 90 consistently.

 

 

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Now that Dave has revealed the Ketsch 3.0, doing a very fair and balanced job in the process, I thought I'd add a couple more bits to the pile.

 

The Ketsch is my Eight Cow Woman -

 

Ever hear of Johnny Lingo and the Eight Cow Woman?   It's a short story by Patricia McKerr about a polynesian boy who grows up with a homely island girl named Mahana who is constantly beaten and abused by her sadistic father.   As a result Mahana has terrible self esteem.   When Johnny Lingo becomes a young man he sails away to make his fortune and then after a few years he sails back to find a wife.   All the eligible young girls vie for his attention, and all the fathers offer Johnny dowries if he'll marry them, but Johnny only has eyes for Mahana.  Her father thinks Johnny is crazy to want his mousey daughter, but he's a tough negotiator so demands 3 cows as the price to marry Mahana,  the normal price being only 1 cow.   Johnny refuses the offer, stating that he will pay no less than eight cows for Mahana -- a record amount.   The dad accepts, Johnny pays, then he and Mahana sail away to a new life.   A few years later, Johnny and Mahana sail back for a visit.  Free from her father's abuse, Mahana has blossomed into a gorgeous, confident woman, still possessing all of her humble and industrious traits she learned as a youth.  Her father sees the transformation and believes that Johnny Lingo has cheated him in the original deal.

 

That's how I feel about the Ketsch.   Never has such a hidden treasure been so mistreated and maligned by its father.   Eight cows is not enough for my putting Mahana.

 

Why the Ketsch 1.0 won the 2014 MGS test and why the 3.0 won't win in 2015

 

All models of the Ketsch are very easy to align and swing smoothly, but the Ketsch 1.0  also had extremely aggressive grooves and sharp ridges that really bit into the cover of a urethane ball.  We're now told this was a mistake, but IMO it caused Ketsch putts to roll in tight connection to the turf and skid less.  As a result everything tended to roll short or be greatly affected by grain and surface imperfections.   I think that this tendency was even more exaggerated with the Wilson FG Tour ball (used in the 2014 MWM test) thanks to its very soft compression and unusually sticky urethane cover.   I used the FG Tour with all of my testing and I thought Ketsch 1.0's shortness was more pronounced with it than with harder balls.

 

Ultimately I decided this tendency to stray and be short was a GOOD THING because I was forced to take a good sweeping follow through,in order to "push" my ball past the target to keep it on line and get it to the hole.   Guess what?  Holding this on-line sweep is exactly the textbook method for making more putts.   In essence the Ketsch 1.0 was its own training aid.   It forced the MGS testors to make a bigger sweeping finish if they wanted to get the ball to the hole.   And even when they over-cooked it, the Ketsch's shortness never left them very far past the hole.   What would have been 3 feet by with a "normal" putter, was a foot for Ketsch.

 

But things will change in 2015.   When you combine the firmer face of the Ketsch 3.0 with the harder Bridgestone ball, I think you'll see a little more "normal" performance out of the Ketsch in the 2015 test because the "training aid" effect will be gone, the shortness tendency will disappear and so will the need to hold the finish to help the ball past the hole.   Dispersion will increase and the Ketsch 3.0 will sink back to the middle of the pack somewhere in the top ten.   (It's still really easy to align and swing,)

 

Just my two bits (or should I say, "my eight cows").

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bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Last time I looked (3 days ago), the golf store in my area still has two Ketsch 1 putters from last year.  They haven't moved at the $199 list price.


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Last time I looked (3 days ago), the golf store in my area still has two Ketsch 1 putters from last year.  They haven't moved at the $199 list price.

 

And they probably won't.   Ebay going rates are about $125 to $150. 


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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The more I think about it the more I think Mark might be on to something. The feel I had with V1 was soft and V2 was harder. Even when I overcook my putt at the shop, it was always in the hole compared to the V2 where I had mixed success. At that time I attributed it to my putting rather than the putter.

Part of me regrets that I did not snap up the V1 when it was in the store but there's nothing I can do now. Just have to roll with it and perhaps wait for the Most Wanted test to validate this.

By the way, nice story Mark.

 

 

It would be interesting if we can have a side by side comparison with the V1 and Cadence versions. Just to see if anything has changed.

Perhaps MGS can help? :P


Irons: Miura PP9003 KBS Tour 90 R 5-P

Wedges: Miura New Wedge Series 51 Deg, Cobra Tour Trusty 56 Deg

Driver: Bridgestone JGR 10.5 with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

3 Wood: Bridgestone JGR 3W with Tour AD J16-11W Stiff Reg stock JDM

Hybrid: Bridgestone JGR 4H with Tour AD J16-11W Reg stock JDM

Putter: Ping Sigma G Kinloch C 

Right handed, lives in Singapore

Playing in the mid 90s and trying my best to break 90 consistently.

 

 

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