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RR, you just described my full shots! :)

 

It does not matter as long as they are consistent and repeatable.


 

Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

Shoes:     :footjoy-small:

Range Finder: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

All grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated

 

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Yes, and yes.   I've heard they will have v-soles and that they will integrate into existing Scor offerings.  

 

I saw no loss of distance or control with my 9 replacement.   They bent it to 40 for me at the factory.   Only quibble was shaft length, I ordered 3/4" long and it came REALLY long.  I had to cut about 1/2" off to match my existing 9.   But it has been a beauty for me along with the others.   I'm wondering how long the Scor has to be before I start screwing it up.   Probably around a 7 iron, i'm thinking.

 

The Scors have been the best, most substantial club replacements I've done in about 5 years.  They just go where I point them and to that consistent distance every time.   They've made me more dependent on my laser, however.   It's no longer good enough to gps a pin and get in the general vicinity.   Now I want to know exactly how far so I can choke up on a club if necessary.

 

Yes, and yes.   I've heard they will have v-soles and that they will integrate into existing Scor offerings.  

 

I saw no loss of distance or control with my 9 replacement.   They bent it to 40 for me at the factory.   Only quibble was shaft length, I ordered 3/4" long and it came REALLY long.  I had to cut about 1/2" off to match my existing 9.   But it has been a beauty for me along with the others.   I'm wondering how long the Scor has to be before I start screwing it up.   Probably around a 7 iron, i'm thinking.

 

The Scors have been the best, most substantial club replacements I've done in about 5 years.  They just go where I point them and to that consistent distance every time.   They've made me more dependent on my laser, however.   It's no longer good enough to gps a pin and get in the general vicinity.   Now I want to know exactly how far so I can choke up on a club if necessary.

 

 

Their standard length is 1/2 over so called normal standard I believe.  So that's your extra 1/2". 

 

Cost and availability are the two reasons why you don't see more SCORs in people's bags.  If they had some POS visibility they would sell more wedges beyond a doubt.

 

I can't wait for the Hogan release either.My distances are different from Markb's but my issues are the same, I'd love to see a fully integrated set through the 4 iron.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I wasn't a part of the testing, but I can provide some feedback here too.

 

I will preface this with, yes I switched the Ben Hogan irons (from AP2s) after I started playing SCOR after finding out SCOR were going to be releasing Hogan irons.  

After three rounds and some range time with the SCOR wedges (43,47,51,55,59), I feel like I'm cheating when I get to put one in my hand.  I am not sure I am still in the honeymoon phase or my "mishits" still end up consistently closer to the hole than I am used to.

 

The only thing that is different for me is the size difference the 43 SCOR wedge has vs. my AP2 9 iron.  It looks significantly smaller, but I guess the area you hit the ball is actually the same or even maybe a little larger.   With that being said, I talked to Barry at SCOR asking if they can bend a 41 degree head to a 39 to replace my 8 iron.


driver -  Titleist 913D3 8.5 Diamana Black X 72g 
hybrid -  Adams IDEA Pro A7 17 degree
irons -   Ben Hogan 3-8 APEX FTX 
scoring clubs - SCOR4161 43, 47, 51, 55, 59
putter -  Odyssey Tour Black #2
ball -  Titleist ProV1x

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I wasn't a part of the testing, but I can provide some feedback here too.

 

I will preface this with, yes I switched the Ben Hogan irons (from AP2s) after I started playing SCOR after finding out SCOR were going to be releasing Hogan irons.  

After three rounds and some range time with the SCOR wedges (43,47,51,55,59), I feel like I'm cheating when I get to put one in my hand.  I am not sure I am still in the honeymoon phase or my "mishits" still end up consistently closer to the hole than I am used to.

 

The only thing that is different for me is the size difference the 43 SCOR wedge has vs. my AP2 9 iron.  It looks significantly smaller, but I guess the area you hit the ball is actually the same or even maybe a little larger.   With that being said, I talked to Barry at SCOR asking if they can bend a 41 degree head to a 39 to replace my 8 iron.

 

For starters welcome - if I hadn't done that earlier!  For nexters the feedback is appreciated - this was a community forum and so a new thing in testing.  We started with three testers and several SCOR users have joined in.

 

Great feedback, please post often!


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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Their standard length is 1/2 over so called normal standard I believe.  So that's your extra 1/2". 

 

Cost and availability are the two reasons why you don't see more SCORs in people's bags.  If they had some POS visibility they would sell more wedges beyond a doubt.

 

I can't wait for the Hogan release either.My distances are different from Markb's but my issues are the same, I'd love to see a fully integrated set through the 4 iron.

 

I wasn't a part of the testing, but I can provide some feedback here too.

 

I will preface this with, yes I switched the Ben Hogan irons (from AP2s) after I started playing SCOR after finding out SCOR were going to be releasing Hogan irons.  

After three rounds and some range time with the SCOR wedges (43,47,51,55,59), I feel like I'm cheating when I get to put one in my hand.  I am not sure I am still in the honeymoon phase or my "mishits" still end up consistently closer to the hole than I am used to.

 

The only thing that is different for me is the size difference the 43 SCOR wedge has vs. my AP2 9 iron.  It looks significantly smaller, but I guess the area you hit the ball is actually the same or even maybe a little larger.   With that being said, I talked to Barry at SCOR asking if they can bend a 41 degree head to a 39 to replace my 8 iron.

 

Barry was somewhat reluctant to bend a 41 to 40 for my 9 iron, but he did it in the end.   It will change the way they dig, however.

 

Regarding shaft length, I actually gave them the overall length in inches that I wanted the 40 to be cut.   Must be that we measure in different ways, because it came out LOOOONG.  No problem, I cut it down and put on a Speedblade ribbed grip so I would have the same feel.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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I also had a conversation about length with Barry.  They measure the same way Titleist does and different than Callaway & TaylorMade.  It is measured to "grip" line near the end of the shaft and not to the end of the grip is what I was told.


driver -  Titleist 913D3 8.5 Diamana Black X 72g 
hybrid -  Adams IDEA Pro A7 17 degree
irons -   Ben Hogan 3-8 APEX FTX 
scoring clubs - SCOR4161 43, 47, 51, 55, 59
putter -  Odyssey Tour Black #2
ball -  Titleist ProV1x

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I also had a conversation about length with Barry.  They measure the same way Titleist does and different than Callaway & TaylorMade.  It is measured to "grip" line near the end of the shaft and not to the end of the grip is what I was told.

 

 

Well that would account for about 1/4" or so.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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That's true.  It is only 1/4".

 

@markb - how many rounds do you have with SCOR?  What is your thought on wear/tear?  I hit a small pebble in the bunker yesterday and maybe I am being picky, but it has made a noticeable mark vs. other wedges I have owned (Titleist/Cleveland).


driver -  Titleist 913D3 8.5 Diamana Black X 72g 
hybrid -  Adams IDEA Pro A7 17 degree
irons -   Ben Hogan 3-8 APEX FTX 
scoring clubs - SCOR4161 43, 47, 51, 55, 59
putter -  Odyssey Tour Black #2
ball -  Titleist ProV1x

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I've got maybe 20+ rounds in with some of them.   The 41 (40) was bought new from Barry.   The 45 is pretty new, but bought used, the other three were bought used for $99 total with fair wear and even minor browning.   This has affected their spin NOT ONE BIT.   If I found a cheap used one on ebay in better condition than the ones I've got, I'd probably buy it and switch out.   But I don't see me swapping them soon just cause they're aging.   I'm the kind who doesn't care what his clubs look like.   You can usually find the Scor you need on ebay for $35 to $75, if you're patient.   I've seen 5 club sets go for $200 to $250.

 

Curiously I have three different shafts and grips on them.   The 41 has a Speedblade grip and a Genius 9 to match the 85 gram TT dynalites of the Speedblades.  The 45 has a Scor Lamkin wedge grip and the Genius 12.   The other three have black Lamkin wedge grips and S300s.   I don't notice any shaft inconsistencies.    You DEFINITELY want that long wedge grip on your chipping club, and I'd advise buying spares if you order from Scor, because they are harder to find from Lamkin in white or black.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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That's true.  It is only 1/4".

 

@markb - how many rounds do you have with SCOR?  What is your thought on wear/tear?  I hit a small pebble in the bunker yesterday and maybe I am being picky, but it has made a noticeable mark vs. other wedges I have owned (Titleist/Cleveland).

Welcome to the forum! Glad you joined.

 

I have had my 54 & 58 SCORs for over a year. There are some marks on the sole and leading edge that you will get hitting out of bunkers and dirt. You are going to get that with these forged clubs; they're soft. But that is a reason why they feel so good and work great. Your other wedges are likely cast, so they're harder and less likely to get dinged. I had Vokeys but never really cared for the feel.

 

I knew this when I bought them as I tried a demo out of sand and a small rock dinged the leading edge. But they work so well that I knew I wanted them anyway. I try to keep them looking as good as they can (I think they are beautiful), but they will look scratched after normal use


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I have two SCORS that are 2 years old. I still bag the 60 and while there are dings it continues to perform admirably. I just gave the 55 away to a serviceman because I purchased a 53 that fits my needs better than the 55. It looks like it's 2 years old but works fine. Of course I have a 48 and a 44 as a part of this test. They look very new and should continue to do so because I'm not using them out of traps. I have hit around 500 balls with each.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I have two SCORS that are 2 years old. I still bag the 60 and while there are dings it continues to perform admirably. I just gave the 55 away to a serviceman because I purchased a 53 that fits my needs better than the 55. It looks like it's 2 years old but works fine. Of course I have a 48 and a 44 as a part of this test. They look very new and should continue to do so because I'm not using them out of traps. I have hit around 500 balls with each.

 

Thanks RevKev.  Member of the month - Congrats!

 

And thank you KennyB for the welcome.


driver -  Titleist 913D3 8.5 Diamana Black X 72g 
hybrid -  Adams IDEA Pro A7 17 degree
irons -   Ben Hogan 3-8 APEX FTX 
scoring clubs - SCOR4161 43, 47, 51, 55, 59
putter -  Odyssey Tour Black #2
ball -  Titleist ProV1x

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You are welcome and thank you tTimes5b! 

 

I had a great chip in with that 48 yesterday.  The first time I used it was at TPC Sawgrass and the first shot was an impossible chip that I hit perfectly - it is my go to club around the green.

 

I love that club! 

 

 

I know that the thread was primarily about full shot dispersion but with wedges there are other factors.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I bought a 42 yesterday; can't wait until it gets here. That completes my set of SCORs at 42, 46, 50, 54, 58. Interesting t5timesb, you have the odds and I have the evens.

 

Played today and had 3 shots with SCORs from the fairway to less than 4 feet. Also had a chip-in with my 46. Loving it!


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I bought a 42 yesterday; can't wait until it gets here. That completes my set of SCORs at 42, 46, 50, 54, 58. Interesting t5timesb, you have the odds and I have the evens.

Played today and had 3 shots with SCORs from the fairway to less than 4 feet. Also had a chip-in with my 46. Loving it!

How do we help SCOR get more traction in the market place?

 

I played with one of the pros at Sawgrass and he had never heard of SCOR until I hit the chip of a lifetime and he wanted to see my wedge.

 

Perhaps being linked to Hogan will do the trick. I have nothing against the OEMs but these clubs do deliver and should have their place in people's bags.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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How do we help SCOR get more traction in the market place?

 

I played with one of the pros at Sawgrass and he had never heard of SCOR until I hit the chip of a lifetime and he wanted to see my wedge.

 

Perhaps being linked to Hogan will do the trick. I have nothing against the OEMs but these clubs do deliver and should have their place in people's bags.

The biggest hurdle that they face in our shop is Brand Recognition.  When a fella comes into the shop to get a new wedge, he is 70% of the time after a Titleist or a Cleveland. The rest of the time he is discount shopping.  If I show him a SCOR wedge for $30 more than a Titleist Vokey wedge, I get some pretty funny looks, no matter how good it is. 

 

Even after I persuade them to try it on the range, and it outperforms the Others, most guys are going to pick what they are familiar with, or what they see on TV. It is a perception thing.  "I've never heard of it, it must not be any good, why is this guy showing it to me??" 

 

I cannot tell you how many times I have had this EXACT interaction since this test started...  I try to include a SCOR option for all of my wedge customers, and to a man, they look at me like I handed them the biggest SPIF club in the shop.  Even my regular customers that I have been dealing with for years.  

 

I have to think that some infomercials on the Golf Channel, (I know, expensive but worth it) would really help drive the message.  

 

The new price of $119.99 would have to help, but this remains to be seen..

 

I hope that it goes good for them. I love these clubs!!!  I will continue to show them to everyone looking for a shortgame club. 


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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Finally broke down and ordered a 54 to test out. Assuming it goes half as well as all of you have been doing I'll start replacing other wedges too. The first two should be easy with a 58 and then a 50 to replace my Speedblade 50. Then if I keep going I have a question. Have you guys went into the 9i/PW replacements by getting the same loft as what you are replacing, or by gapping off the other wedges?

 

Gapping says gets 42/46 in Scor, but loft for loft replacement would be 39.5/45. I don't want to end up with a huge gap between 8i and first Scor.


Driver: :callaway-logo-1: Epic SZ w/ VA Composites Raijin 65 04

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :ping-small: 5i-UW G700 w/ X100 soft stepped once

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 & 58 CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

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Finally broke down and ordered a 54 to test out. Assuming it goes half as well as all of you have been doing I'll start replacing other wedges too. The first two should be easy with a 58 and then a 50 to replace my Speedblade 50. Then if I keep going I have a question. Have you guys went into the 9i/PW replacements by getting the same loft as what you are replacing, or by gapping off the other wedges?

 

Gapping says gets 42/46 in Scor, but loft for loft replacement would be 39.5/45. I don't want to end up with a huge gap between 8i and first Scor.

I would think that Mark should have some input here, as he has been replacing Speedblades.  I personally have the same lofts as my 9 and Pw. (46° and 50°) Distances are as expected. If I were in your shoes, I would try to  find even loft gaps between my lowest lofted SpeedBlade, and Lw. (If you are replacing the 9 iron at 39.5°, then the 8 iron is 34.5°, so My calculations go like this... 58-35=23° separation for  5 clubs, or 4 and 5 degree gaps. 58, 54, 50, 45, 40. After you get them, I might hit them, and then tweak the lofts to fit the actual distance gaps better.  


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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Great suggestion and input from a guy who knows.

I just worked my SCORs out on the range with targets from 58 to 110. Fun little game where I pitted chock downs verses full verses three quarter swings. The victors are enjoying a cigar and a scotch. Alright so are the runners up. :)


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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The one golf store in this region has a couple of pros that have heard of SCOR, and one has hit them. But one is Nike and the other is Titleist. They don't have any to show.

 

I replaced the same lofts as the i20 9-iron, PW, GW. I had old Eye2 SW and LW that I replaced with SCOR last year. The SCORs are actually about 1/2 club longer.

 

When I ordered the 42, I thought I heard Barry said something about the SCORs when the Ben Hogan line comes out. Like he wasn't sure if the SCORs would stay the same or get worked into the Hogan clubs. For sure he said that the v-sole would stay. I was hoping that the Hogan line would have irons with a similar design to SCOR so that they would blend nicely. With a 9 SCOR, I would only need 5-8 to match.


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