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So yesterday NIdine & I wake up to find the torrential rains have stopped and the sun is peaking out. Call the course across the street and they have an opening for 2 at 11am. So with season end nearing so much for watching the Seahawks game it's off to golf!

 

We get paired with a random twosome of a dad and his adult son. From the get go we knew something was off, the son would take practice swings at any given pause in the action. You're looking in the rough for a ball - practice swing. Peeling a banana - practice swing. Lining up your putt - practice swing. Putting - practice swing and so on and so on. The 2 never stood still and were always walking or moving when you we hitting. No this wasn't subtle swaying it was barreling past you with their pull carts mid swing.

 

On 8 the son hit his approach first even though he was 20 yards past Nidine and his dad onto an elevated green. He then rushed ahead before we could all finish. During Nidine's back-swing we hear a scream, "DAD!!! I just made a 55 footer for birdie!!!" He then proceeded to exclaim this 3-4 more times top of lungs for all surrounding suburb's to hear... The funny thing is while looking for Nidine's long approach shot behind the green she found the EXACT ball he was playing the hole before. She pointed out to dad that was his ball and dad yelled at him "hey you played the wrong ball" The kid came running from the 9th tee (yes he was already waiting on the next hole) screaming no I didn't, no I didn't!

 

But the mirroring practice swings were the worst. When you would be setting up to address the ball, him being left handed would set up directly in front of you as close as he could get. If I was up against the right marker he would be just outside it. When Nidine was on the ladies tee he would grad his 3 wood and do the same thing. You could tell he was analyzing/studying swings, but there is an appropriate time and place for such things. Well I was right because on the 6th hole I had my first lesson. I was taught the neutral grip to help correct my hook...

 

The 6th hole was also the site of bunker practice. The son had some trouble his first try getting out of the green side bunker and in frustration proceeded to finish the hole before we had putted. While lining up my birdie putt I hear thud on the green behind me. He's practicing bunker shots! Long bunker shots... Well I hope he got his money's worth because he continued while the 3 of us all finished.

 

Anyways we kept our mouth shut until the 13th tee because we're pretty damn easy going people. On 13 Nidine is all set up to hit 7 iron into a par 3 and he's got driver out facing head on directly in front of her already practice swinging. And these are full force take a divot drivers, move the earth practice swings. So Nidine says in a annoyed tone, "do you think you could not do that please"

 

Well this set the tone for the rest of the round... Dude was pissy and took it out on dad. He accosted his father for all score reporting claiming dad was shaving strokes at one point etc. it was really uncomfortable.

 

Anyways it was just an awkward round, but we played on. We put up with the moving, the walking through lines, the talking during shots, the "I'm not done eating my lunch so I won't tee off yet on 10 even though the group behind us is here and the group in front of us is done the hole" AND the practice shots into the woods from the fringe on 17 while we're putting.

 

Anyways I'm gonna say it, the kid was a little slow. Should we had said anything at all? Was it best to leave it as is? Should I adjust my grip to neutral?

 

This video is from 18 and not nearly as bad as the rest of the round, but I do enjoy watching him analyze every step of my setup.

 


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I cannot believe that you made it through to 18 with these clowns..  Kudos to you.  I would have give them 1 chance, then let them play ahead, or found some excuse to wait a few groups... 


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Sometimes, it's okay to be an *******. After the first few times if have stood still till they asked wadi going to hit and would've explained that as soon as they stood where they should be and not in my line of site sure. Had it proceeded, they'd have gotten a lesson on etiquette. And should they desire to continue they'd have been told to stay their dumbass in the cart until I'd hit. Somehow I have a feeling daddy has never admonished this child and made him think his behavior is acceptable.

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I probably would have asked them to stop doing all of the obvious breeches of etiquette.

 

If they would have declined I would have started doing the exact same things to them.

 

If they said a word I simply would have replied "annoying isn't it".

 

If the kid was indeed handicapped I would have explained to him what the etiquette of golf is and what he was doing wrong.

 

If he still didn't do it I would have asked his father to step in if he hadn't already.

 

As awkward as it all may have been, perhaps no one has ever bothered to tell him.

 

Must less the safety issue of him constantly going ahead of everyone.


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I cannot believe that you made it through to 18 with these clowns..  Kudos to you.  I would have give them 1 chance, then let them play ahead, or found some excuse to wait a few groups... 

 

The course was packed and we weren't going anywhere... Sadly we just didn't have the option.

 

 

Sometimes, it's okay to be an *******. After the first few times if have stood still till they asked wadi going to hit and would've explained that as soon as they stood where they should be and not in my line of site sure. Had it proceeded, they'd have gotten a lesson on etiquette. And should they desire to continue they'd have been told to stay their dumbass in the cart until I'd hit. Somehow I have a feeling daddy has never admonished this child and made him think his behavior is acceptable.

 

I was hoping Rookie would chime in because he would know best how to lay down the law in these situations. :D And yes I guarantee daddy hasn't disciplined that child since he was 3.

 

 

But really it was a such a nice day

 


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Hey, I have a child on the autism spectrum and he knows better. He's 5.


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It sounds to me as if the kid actually was "a little slow" -- meaning developmentally disabled.  Not much you can do except drop back or out.


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Agree with Rookie.  Similar situation in AZ a few weeks ago when my wife and I were playing with two guys that couldn't shut up.  They weren't too bad when I was teeing off because we were on the same tees, but when we moved to the forward tee and my wife was teeing off, they just kept talking.  Seems that women get no respect when playing with men.  

 

After a couple of holes, my wife turned and looked at them until they stopped.  You know... The Look!  It worked for awhile but she had to keep doing it thoughout the round.  They never did stop talking out on the fairway though and she can hear a ball go in a cup from further away than Bubba can hit it!  That made for a miserable round.


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Agree with Rookie.  Similar situation in AZ a few weeks ago when my wife and I were playing with two guys that couldn't shut up.  They weren't too bad when I was teeing off because we were on the same tees, but when we moved to the forward tee and my wife was teeing off, they just kept talking.  Seems that women get no respect when playing with men.  

 

After a couple of holes, my wife turned and looked at them until they stopped.  You know... The Look!  It worked for awhile but she had to keep doing it thoughout the round.  They never did stop talking out on the fairway though and she can hear a ball go in a cup from further away than Bubba can hit it!  That made for a miserable round.

 

Oh, I know the look


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Mercy - that kinda takes the fun out of a round, doesn't it?  Not sure how i would have handled it -- I tend to be non-confrontational, but would maybe have said something to the dad.  If the kid really had a handicap, the dad needs to take care of it since he's the one responsible for his kid.  Good news is those types of pairings are -- hopefully - few and far between.  At least you had a nice day in the sunshine with your better half...


 

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This may have even been more irritating than being pared with the Rules Nazi in the tournament.


 

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I have a lot of patience, big shoulders, let things slide a lot but I knew this day was going to take a bad turn from the time I grabbed our coffee. Dan went to pay the green fees and grab the power cart and I went to grab a couple coffees for us. I'm stirring some sugar in and this guy comes and stands next to me (in my personal space aka too close for comfort) with 5 feet worth of counter space to spare next to me and looks at me and my legs says all creepily "Aren't you cold?" (Or something to that degree) I shook off the gawking and said "No I'm quite alright" grabbed my coffees and walked away.

 

I got to Dan and told him what happened (honestly I didn't appreciate him so close when there was so much space not to mention SUPER CREEPY). I laughed and called it though "with my luck, watch us get put with him." Me and my big mouth.

 

On 6 he gave Dan a lesson and on 9 white I was ready to tee off he decided to follow up on his coaching, loudly asking Dan (who was sitting in the powercart) if he used the neutral grip. At which point in time I said "SHHHHH!"

 

But seriously every damn shot, "THUD!" As he swung his practice swing into the ground as you took your backswing.

 

My patience was wearing thin by 13. The guys had all teed off on the whites and Dan walked with me to the reds to take a pic for me, from a safe distance behind. This guy walks to the red tee box pulls a club out while I'm ready to swing and walks up in front of me and starts practicing. I was annoyed but I think I did well not losing my poop on him, and calmly but firmly said "would you mind not doing that please, it's so distracting, that would be great, thanks". When in actuality I would've liked to have shouted some obscenities but that wouldn't be very ladylike now would it. Haha!

 

I think he got pissed that I spoke up when I should "shut the hell up woman! Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich!" Lol

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From everything I'm reading here im thinking MarkB has it nailed. Doesn't sound like Autism spectrum but I'm not an expert. Clearly there was something emotionally or developement ally delayed going on with the young man.

 

What was up with Dad while all of this was going on? I've parented tons of young people with life issues and as Rookie noted they will generally behave in bounds in public, mainly because I would know what might set them off and out of love for them avoid it.

 

What a creepy day, should have stuck with the Seahawks.


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I've seen parents with older developmentally challenged kids who are so worn down by the 24-7, 365, many year grind of fighting the fight that they simply turn off the explaining, apologizing, and policing for awhile.   They calculate that we'll figure it out and we can deal with it for a little while.  

 

I saw such a young man at the web.com tour stop in Utah this summer.  His guardians were around somewhere, but I didn't spot them.   He was having quite a time roaming the galleries and talking to folks with a Disneyland Goofy character hat on.   He sorta knew the rules and stayed behind the ropes and he knew some of the players.   Ultimately no harm done that I could see.

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I have a lot of patience, big shoulders, let things slide a lot but I knew this day was going to take a bad turn from the time I grabbed our coffee. Dan went to pay the green fees and grab the power cart and I went to grab a couple coffees for us. I'm stirring some sugar in and this guy comes and stands next to me (in my personal space aka too close for comfort) with 5 feet worth of counter space to spare next to me and looks at me and my legs says all creepily "Aren't you cold?" (Or something to that degree) I shook off the gawking and said "No I'm quite alright" grabbed my coffees and walked away.

 

I got to Dan and told him what happened (honestly I didn't appreciate him so close when there was so much space not to mention SUPER CREEPY). I laughed and called it though "with my luck, watch us get put with him." Me and my big mouth.

 

On 6 he gave Dan a lesson and on 9 white I was ready to tee off he decided to follow up on his coaching, loudly asking Dan (who was sitting in the powercart) if he used the neutral grip. At which point in time I said "SHHHHH!"

 

But seriously every damn shot, "THUD!" As he swung his practice swing into the ground as you took your backswing.

 

My patience was wearing thin by 13. The guys had all teed off on the whites and Dan walked with me to the reds to take a pic for me, from a safe distance behind. This guy walks to the red tee box pulls a club out while I'm ready to swing and walks up in front of me and starts practicing. I was annoyed but I think I did well not losing my poop on him, and calmly but firmly said "would you mind not doing that please, it's so distracting, that would be great, thanks". When in actuality I would've liked to have shouted some obscenities but that wouldn't be very ladylike now would it. Haha!

 

I think he got pissed that I spoke up when I should "shut the hell up woman! Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich!" Lol

 

I would have said something, at least by the second hole.  Certainly, on the first green. 

 

Because I look at the hole instead of the ball during putting, I am distracted by movement on the green.  I believe that everyone should have an opportunity to mark ball and stand behind it and wait their turn to putt, in quiet contemplation of what their putt is going to do and will gain experience watching others putts.  If they continue to talk, or move around I will not hesitate to say "I will make every effort to stand still and be quiet while you are hitting, and I would appreciate the same."

 

I have had some people who continue to do it, mostly to be obnoxious, so I have just stood there, or even sat down and said I was waiting on them.  As you know, I am not a slow player at all.  All I ask is 30 seconds at most of still and quiet.  I will do the same.

 

As for making him a 'sammich' I have had the privilege of your 'burgers' and from the sound of him, the spices from your 'sammich' would kill him.

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Both of you certainly did better than I would have.  I p!ssed off one of the guys in my group by the second hole on Saturday for talking in my backswing on every shot that I had hit to that point.....granted I was not nearly as tactful in my approach.


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I'm very easy going, but I would have "nicely" asked the Dad to please ask his son to remain quiet/still as we are with them. I think it is the Dad at fault here, he should have explained things about golf to his son. I've been helping a Special Olympics Athlete with his golf game for two years now, what you've described does not happen ever.

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I've seen parents with older developmentally challenged kids who are so worn down by the 24-7, 365, many year grind of fighting the fight that they simply turn off the explaining, apologizing, and policing for awhile.   They calculate that we'll figure it out and we can deal with it for a little while.  

 

I saw such a young man at the web.com tour stop in Utah this summer.  His guardians were around somewhere, but I didn't spot them.   He was having quite a time roaming the galleries and talking to folks with a Disneyland Goofy character hat on.   He sorta knew the rules and stayed behind the ropes and he knew some of the players.   Ultimately no harm done that I could see.

It's exhausting to parent a special needs child. But in the end the parent has the responsible to parent. I do know a little bit about this from first hand experience and across a spectrum of special needs.

 

The Dad sounds like the issue here.


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