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Probably a good idea. Don't want to spend money you don't have to.

Before I got picked for the Paderson eval, I already had a shaft in another driver I wanted to compare with the stock shaft that's currently in my driver, so I already planned on getting a second adapter.  I plan on comparing the shafts I already own, then replace the "loser" with the Paderson for the rest of the evaluation.


What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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Hopefully those who PM'd me got the PDF alright. Based on what I am looking at the Torque of the shafts really seems high to me. I have heard not the take that into too much consideration but seems high. I have been fitted using fitchip before so I was really interested in the Frequency portion.

 

Does anyone truly understand the EI graphs? I did some research on them but I still don't know the usefulness of them.

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**May the fade be with you**

 

Driver - :taylormade-small:  SLDR 9.5 Paderson KINETIXx IMRT Green Stiff / 255 cpm
Fairway Wood - :titelist-small:  910F 3 wood
Hybrids - :callaway-small:  Big Bertha Diablo 21deg
Irons - :titelist-small:  710 AP2 4-PW Standard Lie/Flex
Wedges - :taylormade-small:  XFT 50, 54, 60
Putter - :cameron-small:  California Monterey
Ball - :wilson_staff_small:  FG Tour

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I have looked at the PDF a few times and do not fully comprehend what it all means,  All I know is I am looking forward to putting one in my driver and testing it out.

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I don't understand the graphs - the torque rates did seem more like steel shafts to me - that might be good though - may mean a tighter dispersion rate. 

 

I enjoyed the PDF and am anxious to see what Paderson recommends.  I have a couple of possibilities in mind based on the times I've been fitted in the past but of course I could be mistaken.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I believe that the graphs represent the butt, middle and tip measured every two inches with a certain head weight.... So based on that it would show the firmness of each in comparison to each other.

 

Like I said I don't know if that's correct but that is what I take from reading some of the articles on EI


**May the fade be with you**

 

Driver - :taylormade-small:  SLDR 9.5 Paderson KINETIXx IMRT Green Stiff / 255 cpm
Fairway Wood - :titelist-small:  910F 3 wood
Hybrids - :callaway-small:  Big Bertha Diablo 21deg
Irons - :titelist-small:  710 AP2 4-PW Standard Lie/Flex
Wedges - :taylormade-small:  XFT 50, 54, 60
Putter - :cameron-small:  California Monterey
Ball - :wilson_staff_small:  FG Tour

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Hold there callers - I have asked Jason from Paderson if he can give us an explanation of how we should be interpreting the EI graphs, so I'll relay that info as soon as I get it.

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awesome thanks Brad! I got a great email from him after I inquired about some more information on their products. When a CEO takes the time to do that you know it is a down to earth company. Can't wait to hear what Jason has to say and teach us.


**May the fade be with you**

 

Driver - :taylormade-small:  SLDR 9.5 Paderson KINETIXx IMRT Green Stiff / 255 cpm
Fairway Wood - :titelist-small:  910F 3 wood
Hybrids - :callaway-small:  Big Bertha Diablo 21deg
Irons - :titelist-small:  710 AP2 4-PW Standard Lie/Flex
Wedges - :taylormade-small:  XFT 50, 54, 60
Putter - :cameron-small:  California Monterey
Ball - :wilson_staff_small:  FG Tour

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Someone post the graphs. Flex graphs aren't hard to interpret if you've looked at many.


In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Okay, I've seen the charts now. They're EI curves. They measure in metric units and measure at 20 points the length of the shaft. Lots of places do it in 5" increments, so it seems they take a good bit more measurements of stiffness the entire length of the shaft. The way you read those EI curves is generally left to right, as the line goes up, the stiffness increases. So if you have a curve that goes left to right and continues going up, vertically, as it goes left to right, the stiffness is increasing as it gets closer to the butt (if in reading their chart correctly, they start their measurement at the tip (left most side of the chart) to the butt (right most side of the shaft). So if you've got a hump in the middle, that's a shaft that's stiffest part is in the middle of the shaft. If it's a descending line left to right, it's a tip stuff shaft, again just going by their description on their chart that they measure from the tip. If it's a u type shape, it'll be both butt and tip stiff. I'll see if I can save all their charts and post them for all to see.

 

I'll also see if I can find a shaft chart that corresponds to this one to find a few shafts similar in profile.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Maybe this will help explain the EI curve better as I tried to simplify it. This has the method used to measure an EI curve and the description of how they work:

 

http://www.tutelman.com/golf/measure/EImachine.php


In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Here's a couple driver charts rendered into jpg's to get them to fit.   Might take a couple of posts.   I understand Rookies explanation, but don't know what chart would be good for me.

 

Paderson-1.jpg

Paderson-2.jpg

Paderson-3.jpg

Paderson-9.jpg

Paderson-11.jpg


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Thanks Rookie! That clears up a lot for me. As I read it, Left to right it goes Tip-Butt according to the legend at the end of the line. You are spot on I think.

 

Can't wait to hear more about these shafts and the technology. I do see now the part that talks about insert guidance...... I wonder how much of a difference that will make using a SLDR. The old days of spine alignment seems to be a thing of the past as most of the new technology eliminates the need for that.


**May the fade be with you**

 

Driver - :taylormade-small:  SLDR 9.5 Paderson KINETIXx IMRT Green Stiff / 255 cpm
Fairway Wood - :titelist-small:  910F 3 wood
Hybrids - :callaway-small:  Big Bertha Diablo 21deg
Irons - :titelist-small:  710 AP2 4-PW Standard Lie/Flex
Wedges - :taylormade-small:  XFT 50, 54, 60
Putter - :cameron-small:  California Monterey
Ball - :wilson_staff_small:  FG Tour

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Of course now that we know how to read the graph it would be helpful to have a brief explanation of what it means in the real world - if the tip is stiffer than the butt - how will that affect a players ball flight?

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Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I just got added as an alternate :-)) 

 

Looking forward to this. I'll be using it in a Cobra Bio Cell Head.

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HDCP: 12.6 (GHIN: 3143312)
In my bag, JULY 2020
:titelist-small: TS2 Driver Hzrdous Smoke Shaft (Stiff Flex)
:titelist-small: TS2 Hybrids  Mitsubishi Tensei Shaft (Stiff Flex)
:mizuno-small:  MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex)
 :callaway-small: PM Grind Wedges
:bettinardi-1:  Putter

:bridgestone-small: 2020 TOUR B RXS
Sun Mountain Cart Bag
:Clicgear: 3.5 Push Cart (I'm walking 9 outta 10 rounds!!)

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Yep, had a couple "no shows".  We selected BK and MNfats to replace them.  Sent all of you a PM.  We're almost ready to move forward.

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Can't wait -


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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Looking forward to reading about the performance of these shafts.  I'm always interested in new companies/products.


Driver: Callaway Optiforce 440 9.5* with Diamama Blue S+ 62g Stiff shaft

3 and 5 wood: Callaway Big Bertha with Fubuki Z65 Stiff

Hybrid: Wilson FG Tour 4 hybrid

Irons: 5 iron: Cleveland Altitude Stiff; 6 -PW Callaway Apex Pro, KBS Tour-V Stff

Wedges: 51*, 55* and 58* SCORE with Genius Stiff

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Of course now that we know how to read the graph it would be helpful to have a brief explanation of what it means in the real world - if the tip is stiffer than the butt - how will that affect a players ball flight?

Tip stiff is higher flex point which should equate to a lower ball flight.  Butt stiff means a softer tip section and a higher ball flight.  Shafts, at their max, are generally better for a 3 degree higher or lower launch.  But, those are generalities.  If you have a tip stiff shaft with a significantly softer mid section, you can also increase launch.  Same with a butt stiff with a significantly softer mid section, it can actually lower launch.  It's kind of a double edged sword when looking at zonal stiffness.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Thanks Rookie that is actually what I would have guessed.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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Hey I'm just up the road. We will have to get out and hit it sometime.

Just seeing your post now. I need to get on here more often. Lol...One of these days I plan on heading to top golf in brandon. Maybe then. I had planned to stop there on my way back from pga show, but my buddy was driving and didn't want to stop.

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