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I still have not received it or perhaps it went to my spam. Could it be resent please?

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Initial impressions sent in.

"I'd play a ladies set of clubs if it allowed me to break par."

PING G410 LST Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 6

Titleist 17, 19, and 21 degree 818 H2 Hybrids

Ping G700 5 - GW

Titleist Vokey SM7 54 Wedge

Titleist Vokey SM7 58 Wedge

Evenroll ER3

Snell MTB-X

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I don't think it will change my "unboxing" portion of the review, but Jason is shipping me a different shaft this week.

 

I contacted Jason and sent him a spreadsheet of my initial comparisons and, after discussing my results, swing type and the shafts I currently use, he's sending me a Kevlar Green model.  

 

Since this was a "blind fit" based soley on swing speed, the Kevlar Blue doesn't really match my swing profile, which is what I thought might be the case.  For one thing, the Kevlar Blue has a draw bias, which explains why I was "fighting it" to avoid hooking.

 

Once I figured out how to adjust my stance and swing with the Kevlar Blue, I started to get results similar to my current shaft, but only marginal differences.

 

Now the anticipation begins (again).   :rolleyes:

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Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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Interesting wbealsd -

 

Sadly none of my devices are allowing me to view the Paderson website - that's a side issue for them that is beyond the scope of this review.  What is the difference between the blue and the green?  Is it weighting or kick point?  I know about faces being draw biased but didn't realize that shafts could be.

 

I'm curious now.

 

I'm ready to take mine to the LM hopefully tomorrow.  I'm anticipating a bit of a ball speed jump based upon what my eyes are telling me.  Unfortunately I didn't get it on the course on Friday but hope to this week.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Rev,

 

Here's some of the information about the shaft Jason sent me when we were discussing the Paderson shaft models:

 

I've got shorter backswing,an aggressive transition and hit a natural draw.  I DID get a higher launch and even got longer carry distance with the Blue (once I figured out how to overcome the hooking), but a bit less overall distance.  Hopefully, once I can swing more naturally, I'll get better carry AND total distance!

 

"Our KINETIXX KEVLAR BLUE shaft features a higher balance point and can contribute to increasing club speed. However, this shaft is tailored for high launch and a center to draw shot bias, with today's lower spinning club head designs. 

 

The bending profile of this shaft as explained relative to construction a bit further below, features a stiff concentric butt-mid quadrant and an active yet proportionately softer (flex dependent) mid-tip quadrant. The bending profile is intended for players with a moderate to full arc, (longer backswing) and SMOOTH transition, progressive acceleration pattern. Your transition pattern justifies the need to adjust your set-up and swing parameters, when playing this shaft.

 

Quite frankly, we've sent you the wrong product!"

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What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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Thanks -

 

BTW I'm curious has anyone else had trouble with the Paderson website?

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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There are certain parts of the website that aren't loaded yet, such as all the specs for the shaft I'm testing, the Kevlar Green.   I'd like to see an overall streamling of the product differentiation on the site, because the differences between the shafts and who they are aimed at, isn't very clear.   (Notice how I'm calling it the "Kevlar Green", which is in no way its official name, but which distinguishes it in my mind because my mind didn't like the long, obtuse name they use.)

 

That said, I couldn't be happier with the shaft they chose to send me.   It's a very good blind fit for my swing and is proving very easy to get used to..

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bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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I'm having that same experience - spot on blind fit - dying to see how the numbers come out or to get it on a familiar course so that I might compare distances.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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I'm having that same experience - spot on blind fit - dying to see how the numbers come out or to get it on a familiar course so that I might compare distances.

 

I've sent in my first two sessions of testing, on range and on course, but I haven't done the monitor yet.  It's hard not to reveal spoilers here, but I will say that I was VERY glad I did an on course test at my home track on a crappy weather day.   20 mph arctic head or tail winds the whole day.   So no records were broken and often I was 30 yards behind where my "good" spots are.   If I hadn't been doing a head to head, I might have thought the P was poopy, but even the gamer was poopy in those conditions.   Instead, it was very useful to see how the Paderson handled these miserable winds, something that you can't tell on an indoor monitor.

 

BTW, I'm using Dr. Scholl's for EVERY impact of the test and this too is proving revelatory.   Late in the day yesterday, I was seeing better impacts from my gamer, yet the Paderson was matching it in distance and dispersion.   My assumption is that this is due to a higher chs and lower spin from the Paderson which compensated for the purer hits coming from the gamer.   Monitor must still confirm that assumption, though.

bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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I sure hope there's time for me to hit outside before we start posting results, although that can be added later for the followup.

What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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Finally got a chance to hit it this morning.  Had an hour on an About Golf simulator.  So far my only result is that I need to test it more on a more accurate machine.  I was hitting it very well, but then switched back to my Diamana and I was hitting that well too.  Results were too close and too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions.

Driver: :taylormade-small: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :cleveland-small: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

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Finally got a chance to hit it this morning.  Had an hour on an About Golf simulator.  So far my only result is that I need to test it more on a more accurate machine.  I was hitting it very well, but then switched back to my Diamana and I was hitting that well too.  Results were too close and too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions.

About Golf simulators have awesome graphics, but I suspect most commercial installations are setup more for entertainment, than accuracy.

 

After all, they DO want repeat customers - lol

What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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About Golf simulators have awesome graphics, but I suspect most commercial installations are setup more for entertainment, than accuracy.

 

After all, they DO want repeat customers - lol

I wasn't concerned about it being juiced as I picked all my own parameters for the range.  Distances seem pretty good compared to real life for the most part.  Every once in a while you get a wonky shot, but those are pretty easy to notice and eliminate.

 

Either way it's not so much about the straight numbers, it's about the compare to my current gamer.  So from that perspective it's a level playing field.  Either way I've been talking with Golfspy Barbajo and we are going to meet up at a real simulator this week for some testing.  So should have reputable numbers soon.  I'm very curious how they turn out.

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Driver: :taylormade-small: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :cleveland-small: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

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Well I had a set back this weekend bc after I hit the range, my ferrul undid itself from the adapter. Literally my first on course driver swing. I was unsure if the adapter had moved as well so it stayed in the bag all weekend. Got it reattached today but the weather is crap here all week.

Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX"
Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X
          Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*

Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X

Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged

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Either way it's not so much about the straight numbers, it's about the compare to my current gamer.  So from that perspective it's a level playing field.

Me too. Since I can vary +/- several yards from day to day, each session I'm hitting all 3 test shafts and taking an overall average. Like Hcky said...it's not the numbers....it's the difference in the numbers that matter.

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It's always the difference in the numbers that matters because who knows machine to machine.  It's weird, I rarely vary in regards to distance, unless there is some clear mitigating factor, wind, dried out conditions or I'm in a different location - Midwest, Northeast, Texas, Arizona, a place where the ball goes a little farther than at Sea level and lush.

 

I may have a day where I'm hitting it longer on average because I've flushed more shots - love those days - had a great string from October through the end of the year.  That was fun, was very competitive in a couple of tournaments and grabbed a win, but it's not so fun right now the couple of times I've had to use that handicap and try to play to it.  Fortunately my league only counts league rounds and when play opens up for that in April I'll have a more manageable 5 rather than the 2 on my current handicap print out - just make sure you win something big when you shoot 73, 69 in a tournament because those are staying with you for a long, long time.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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I couldn't agree more about the variation from day to day, that's why my best form of testing is the side-by-side home course tests over 3+ rounds.   I want real looks at real trees and hazards with real conditions and real OB.   So I put both drivers in my bag, hit two to 4 drives per hole and see who "wins" in the sense of which drive would I rather have to play.   Compile enough holes of these wins and losses and ultimately you know which stick you'd rather keep in your bag, fuggedabout the rpms or angles into the indoor net.

bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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I couldn't agree more about the variation from day to day, that's why my best form of testing is the side-by-side home course tests over 3+ rounds. I want real looks at real trees and hazards with real conditions and real OB. So I put both drivers in my bag, hit two to 4 drives per hole and see who "wins" in the sense of which drive would I rather have to play. Compile enough holes of these wins and losses and ultimately you know which stick you'd rather keep in your bag, fuggedabout the rpms or angles into the indoor net.

That's nice if you can do it but it's not happening here this time of the year. Any course that would be that empty has a for sale sign in front of it. I'm envious of you. There are some places where I could do thaat in the summer here however but that will be too late for the test. Personally I like a combo of on course and LM numbers, I wouldn't likely buy a driver any more without both.

 

I don't know how much we should share in this thread but I did a nice LM session today because I really wanted to see if what things look like on the range are real and I can't play until Friday. I went to the same facility that I established my baseline at and used the exact same LM. They were having issues with their WIFI so we had to move to several different bays and finally had to plug the thing in. The guy who works there, a pro wanna be and mini tour maven was blown away by the results. He stuck around for my first ten or so shots to make sure that it was working. Shot after shot with a baby draw, 90 mph ss, 18 degree launch, spin rate of around 1900, carry of 220, run out on normal fairway conditions between 240-250, smash factors upwards of 1.48.

 

He said that is as close as he's ever seen anyone get to maximizing their potential. I couldn't believe it!

 

I'm looking forward to having it on the course on Friday and then back for another LM session sometime next week so that I have some good numbers for whatever our next write up is supposed to be. What I found today was a very slight increase in ball speed and launch angle with a nice reduction in spin. All of that translated to an average of 9 more yards of carry and 8 yards total distance, significant if it continues and most significant if it's there when playing for real. Oh and most shots would have finished in the fairway.

 

BTW what's an OB?

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Awesome. I have raised my ball speed upto around 200 mph @ 45". The best thing I've noticed about the KG 860 is workability. Anyone else notice how easy it is to work the shaft?

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I don't have a tracking number yet, but got a notification from UPS that a package addressed to me has been shipped.  Hope I can have the replacement shaft installed and can start testing by early next week!

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What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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