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I am looking at getting the Callaway X20 Irons and just had a couple questions for anyone that might have the answers. First was is there a big difference between the new groove and old groove style? Second was I have looked on some online sites as well as EBAY and have seen two different variations of the clubs. I saw some sets with the blue X on the club and other sets with the black X. Does anyone know if one or the other is a fake or is this how Callaway does it, different sets different colors? Might be a dumb question but don't want to be screwed over by someone selling them on ebay.

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I haven't noticed any difference in the new grooves vs. old grooves - at least not as far as irons are concerned. Assuming the clubs you're seeing are genuine; the blues are X-20s, the blacks are X-20 Tour irons.

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Any X-20 irons are current grooves and not the "new" grooves. As pointed out, the blue are the regular irons, black the tour version. I would not even consider ebay for purchasing these. Tons of fakes were produced. Buy from Callaway Pre-owned. The price is fair and you know you are getting the right stuff.

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3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
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Yeah I checked them too because I have gotten stuff from them and they are the real deal. Just called them and they are taking the shipping off as well because I ordered them less than 24 hours ago and they are being offered as free shipping now.

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The X-22's have the new conforming grooves. That is why the X-20's are suddenly very popular.

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The X-22's have the new conforming grooves. That is why the X-20's are suddenly very popular.

 

Not true. The X-22's came to market before the rule change. Way too much is being made over the groove thing. 2024 is a long way away.

 

From Callaway's website; http://www.callawaygolf.com/Global/en-US/Articles/Grooves101.html

 

"In 2010, Callaway will offer offer irons and wedges with grooves that conform to the new Condition of Competition for players who compete in events where the new Condition will be in effect. New grooves that conform to the new Condition of Competition will be available after April 1, 2010 in select Tour Authentic versions of recent iron models, including the X-22 Tour Irons, 2009 X-Forged Irons, X Prototype Irons, X Series JAWS Wedges and X-Forged Wedges"

 

If you buy X-22 Tours right now off the rack, they will have the old grooves. Special order is the only way to get the "new" grooves. The new, just released X-24 Hot irons also have the "new" grooves off the rack.

Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50"
3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5"
Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5"
Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00"
 

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So going forward only their Tour Versions will offer the new groove rule irrons, and the rest, like the normal, lets say, X-24s, would have the old rule grooves?

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So going forward only their Tour Versions will offer the new groove rule irrons, and the rest, like the normal, lets say, X-24s, would have the old rule grooves?

No, the X-24's or anything coming out from now on will have the "new" grooves. They would not bring a new iron to market now if it had the old grooves as they will not be allowed to sell them after Dec. 31, 2010 with those grooves. They are only offering older releases of irons, updated with new grooves in the Tour lines of clubs, as those are the ones being played by players around the world on various tours as they must play the "new" grooves now. The rest of us have fourteen more years.

Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50"
3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5"
Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5"
Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00"
 

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The rest of us have our entire life time, you telling me, that for rec golfers, we will change to the new rules, I don't see that happening. What's to stop smaller companies from making clubs with old non conforming groove rules?

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OEM's can not manufacture clubs with the current or "old" grooves after 1-1-2011, plain and simple. All major OEM's will respect the rules, as do I. You can play your current clubs until 2024, which is a long way away.

With that being said, my home course has several demo clubs with the "new" grooves and I and many others have been demoing them recently. I know for sure with wedges, nothing much changed for me. The end result was much the same, and if anything, the new wedges do less damage to the ball cover than my current wedges. All of us here, along with millions of other people, are just not good enough for this to really make a difference. Way too much is being made of this.

We dont' have an "entire" lifetime. We have until 2024 if you respect and play by the rules, which most of us do. I'm sure most all of us will have the "new" grooves in play well before the end date. I trade irons every couple of years, so the date means nothing to me, although at least I know I can play my current clubs for fourteen more years if I choose.

The rule states that no OEM can manufacture or sell none conforming clubs after 1-1-2011. However, the distributors can continue to sell these clubs until the supply runs out or 2024, which ever comes first. I'm guessing they will run out well before the end date.

Balls are also going to change. It is already happening. Balls will continue to change because of the groove change. In time it really won't matter to the average player. Way too much is being made of all of this in my eyes. Demo the new grooves if you get a chance and you will see what I'm saying.

Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50"
3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5"
Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5"
Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00"
 

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I understand and respect your point of view, but I would bet that the majority of golfers do not play by the official golf rules, but play for fun.

 

Well..I play almost everyday at two different course and I have played both courses for close to thirty/thirty five years and I play with a couple of groups of about thirty, forty guys at each course and I guess I don't know anyone at either place that doesn't play by the rules. I'll bet alot more golfers respect the rules than you may think. Golf is fun for those I play with and I know it is fun for me, but that does not mean you don't have to play by the rules. I'm happy the guys that taught me when I was young respected the rules.

You would be welcome anytime in either of my groups, but get caught cheating or get caught with none conforming clubs in your bag and the news would travel fast. To cheat at golf is really just cheating yourself.

Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50"
3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5"
Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5"
Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00"
 

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Again, I truly respect you and the game of golf, but my view is different. You are more than a casual player, and it sounds like your group is also. The normal, 2 kids, full work week, no country club, playing muni's, buddy golf trip, playing twice a month golfer, while playing by most of the rules of golf, will not be conforming to the new groove rules.

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Again, I truly respect you and the game of golf, but my view is different. You are more than a casual player, and it sounds like your group is also. The normal, 2 kids, full work week, no country club, playing muni's, buddy golf trip, playing twice a month golfer, while playing by most of the rules of golf, will not be conforming to the new groove rules.

John, Yes are view's are different. I do play in two leagues and both weekend mornings in skins groups where cheating, or at least not following the rules will get one bannished.

I think, and this just my thoughts, is that most players trade up or buy new irons every two three years, not everyone but many. Most all irons coming new to the market from now on will have the new grooves so the change will just happen. For some players it will not hurt them much and for others it will be a big change.

I for one am not real happy with the USGA about this. Millions and millions of golfers like you me and everyone else here need more spin, not less and this rule change will hurt us to play well and enjoy the game. If they wanted to change anything for the tour players, they should come up with a tour ball and leave the clubs alone. I am hoping that my current irons, which I bought last summer will last me for several years.

I'm guessing though that they will not be around in fourteen more years but, you never know. I'm sure though that the balls of the future will make the change better for us and put us pretty much back to where we are right now. Time will tell how it will all shake down.

Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50"
3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15*  40.25"
5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50"
7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25"
Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" 
Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5"
Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5"
Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00"
 

"Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it."

 

 

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