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I need an honest review on the standard True Temper Dynamic Gold stock shaft that come came in my AP1 712 and the KBS shafts. I was looking at the new Taylormade RSI's and they had you Standard Dynamic Gold Shaft however the Gent at Golfsmith said I should look at the RSI 2 which have the "upgraded" KBS shaft in them. The cost is about $200.00 more with the KBS. 

Is there that big of a difference on these shafts? Will you really see an impact on your game?

 

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Wedges: Taylormade 60 d Titleist Vokey 54,56,58

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My experience between the two is I like the feel of KBS better than DG. They have a good kick to them. I have C Tapers now because I needed to lower the flight and spin a bit. Took some getting used to coming from the Tours. I don't like the feel quite as much, but it did help me just stop balls on the green as opposed to spinning them back too much. I could probably do fine with DG too as they are lower spin than the Tours. I think KBS wins on feel more than anything.

 

After not really playing for 6 months now and not having my indoor golf room anymore, who knows if that's even the best fit for me now though.

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I need an honest review on the standard True Temper Dynamic Gold stock shaft that come came in my AP1 712 and the KBS shafts. I was looking at the new Taylormade RSI's and they had you Standard Dynamic Gold Shaft however the Gent at Golfsmith said I should look at the RSI 2 which have the "upgraded" KBS shaft in them. The cost is about $200.00 more with the KBS.

Is there that big of a difference on these shafts? Will you really see an impact on your game?

 

Look forward to your thoughts?

It will honestly depend on how each shaft fits your swing and personal preference for feel. Some people like DG some don't. Same for kbs.

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The DG feel stiffer to me and I can feel the kick more in the KBS. The shafts I have now are DG XP S300 which are somewhat in between I think, a little stiffer feeling than KBS but not as stiff like the DG. Just because the KBS shafts cost more and are considered an "upgrade" doesn't mean they are any better because they could be a horrible fit for you but a good fit for someone else, depends on what works and feels the best to you. If custom fitting is not an option, I would hit both shafts and see which one you like the most, if you can feel a difference. I also noticed that the shafts come in different iron heads so this may impact feel and shot results since they have some different characteristics. 

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You really do need to try both shafts with the heads you want to play.

 

I don't currently use them, but I liked the KBS shafts in the Ben Hogans I demo'd last month but not so much in my Alpha RX-1's.

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I'm with the above -- best to work with a fitter and see what feels the best to you and what gives you the best numbers.  I've played PX 5.5's and KBS Tours the last few years - the Tours are my preference.  

 

Have had two fitting experiences since the season ended - in both cases the fitters put me into KBS C-Tapers.  While my inconsistent swing may have had something to do with it, here's a look at the impact tape from the last fitting -- comparing PX 5.5m DG S300 and C-Taper S...

 

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For whatever reason, this seemed to work the best - for me, but your swing is a hell of a lot smoother than mine.  When you're healthy, let's go see Thomas as 2nd Swing...

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Sounds like he is trying to up sell you into a completely different set of irons. If the RSI 1 felt good and you were happy with the performance, who cares what the shafts are.

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Isn't one a cast head and the RSi2 a forged head? That is going to account for most of such a price difference, I believe. I seem to recall a press release from Mizuno anyway around November '14 announcing no upcharge for steel shafts, so don't let anyone charge you $200 for KBS over a DG. KBS is pretty typical stock fair for many OEM's now and shouldn't carry any upcharge really. Srixon offers them over DG at no charge as well.

 

Softer feel to the KBS Tour shafts and a little higher flight. Little bit counter-balanced. If you come over the top, that can help swing from the inside a little better/avoid the hooks.

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Every time I try another shaft, I remember why I always stay with KBS. I've never seen its equal.

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KBS Tours have a softer tip section and a higher ball flight. If you play in a lot of wind and hit the ball high already, I'd advise against them. They do not fight the wind. They're superb feeling shafts though and if you hit the ball lower and need help getting the ball up, KBS is your shaft.

 

The KBS C-Taper is their competitor to the Dynamic Gold. It's not as low as the DG, but it's significantly lower launching and spinning than the KBS Tour. It feels totally different than the Tour though, as it's got a much stiffer tip section and the audible feedback on misses is much louder.

 

The Dynamic Gold is the lowest launching shaft out there in terms of steel. It's the standard across the tours as well, as it's the #1 steel shaft in play and has been for a long time. It's low launch and lower spinning than anything else out there and is perfect for someone that needs to hit the ball lower.

 

I do have a feeling the guy wasn't exactly sure about what he was telling you though. They're not that much more than Dynamic Golds price wise, but much more concerning is that the RSI1 and RSI2 are 2 different clubs for different category of players. The RSI1 is their Super GI club that's designed for max forgiveness while the RSI2 is more of a standard player's GI iron that's a progressive set. The RSI2 has 5 separate designs throughout the 9 club set for both forgiveness and playability. The heads are smaller and less forgiving. And they also have a higher price tag as well as a better profit margin. Sounds to me like he was blowing some smoke to try and get you to spend more and he make more commission. JMO though.

 

Did he fit you or were you just talking to him about the clubs? If he didn't fit you, he was definitely trying to make a sales pitch for more cash out of your pocket. Because there's no way he could've recommended the proper iron or shaft with just a guess based on what you were talking about to him.

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Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

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I'm with the above -- best to work with a fitter and see what feels the best to you and what gives you the best numbers.  I've played PX 5.5's and KBS Tours the last few years - the Tours are my preference.  

 

Have had two fitting experiences since the season ended - in both cases the fitters put me into KBS C-Tapers.  While my inconsistent swing may have had something to do with it, here's a look at the impact tape from the last fitting -- comparing PX 5.5m DG S300 and C-Taper S...

 

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For whatever reason, this seemed to work the best - for me, but your swing is a hell of a lot smoother than mine.  When you're healthy, let's go see Thomas as 2nd Swing...

That's an impressive grouping John

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Wedges: Taylormade 60 d Titleist Vokey 54,56,58

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Sounds like he is trying to up sell you into a completely different set of irons. If the RSI 1 felt good and you were happy with the performance, who cares what the shafts are.

I know the salesman at Golfsmith. He's a great guy. Since back surgery 3 weeks ago I have not been able to try any clubs. Just getting the itch to swing and what better way than to go club shopping. I'm not set on the Taylormade clubs, but as a title sponsor to our reality show I feel I need to show a little love. Before there release I was able to hit them and they were very nice however they had the DG S300 shaft. What little experience I have had with the KBS has been on a set of custom made Scott irons with them. Those clubs were money!

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Titleist 913D 7.5 Degree, Stiff Speeder Tour Spec 6.2 Shaft

Wedges: Taylormade 60 d Titleist Vokey 54,56,58

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Apple Valley, MN

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KBS Tours have a softer tip section and a higher ball flight. If you play in a lot of wind and hit the ball high already, I'd advise against them. They do not fight the wind. They're superb feeling shafts though and if you hit the ball lower and need help getting the ball up, KBS is your shaft.

 

The KBS C-Taper is their competitor to the Dynamic Gold. It's not as low as the DG, but it's significantly lower launching and spinning than the KBS Tour. It feels totally different than the Tour though, as it's got a much stiffer tip section and the audible feedback on misses is much louder.

 

The Dynamic Gold is the lowest launching shaft out there in terms of steel. It's the standard across the tours as well, as it's the #1 steel shaft in play and has been for a long time. It's low launch and lower spinning than anything else out there and is perfect for someone that needs to hit the ball lower.

 

I do have a feeling the guy wasn't exactly sure about what he was telling you though. They're not that much more than Dynamic Golds price wise, but much more concerning is that the RSI1 and RSI2 are 2 different clubs for different category of players. The RSI1 is their Super GI club that's designed for max forgiveness while the RSI2 is more of a standard player's GI iron that's a progressive set. The RSI2 has 5 separate designs throughout the 9 club set for both forgiveness and playability. The heads are smaller and less forgiving. And they also have a higher price tag as well as a better profit margin. Sounds to me like he was blowing some smoke to try and get you to spend more and he make more commission. JMO though.

 

Did he fit you or were you just talking to him about the clubs? If he didn't fit you, he was definitely trying to make a sales pitch for more cash out of your pocket. Because there's no way he could've recommended the proper iron or shaft with just a guess based on what you were talking about to him.

No fitting yet. Just out looking while in recovery from disc surgery. Great info!!! Thanks

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Titleist 913D 7.5 Degree, Stiff Speeder Tour Spec 6.2 Shaft

Wedges: Taylormade 60 d Titleist Vokey 54,56,58

Seemore Mallet Putter

Right Handed

Apple Valley, MN

8 Handicap

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No fitting yet. Just out looking while in recovery from disc surgery. Great info!!! Thanks

I'd go elsewhere, the guy wasn't looking out for your best interests/needs, he was looking out for his margins and his commissions.

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Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

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Do you take large divots? KBS shafts are known to bend for a digger.

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KBS Tours have a softer tip section and a higher ball flight. If you play in a lot of wind and hit the ball high already, I'd advise against them. They do not fight the wind. They're superb feeling shafts though and if you hit the ball lower and need help getting the ball up, KBS is your shaft.

 

The KBS C-Taper is their competitor to the Dynamic Gold. It's not as low as the DG, but it's significantly lower launching and spinning than the KBS Tour. It feels totally different than the Tour though, as it's got a much stiffer tip section and the audible feedback on misses is much louder.

 

The Dynamic Gold is the lowest launching shaft out there in terms of steel. It's the standard across the tours as well, as it's the #1 steel shaft in play and has been for a long time. It's low launch and lower spinning than anything else out there and is perfect for someone that needs to hit the ball lower.

 

I do have a feeling the guy wasn't exactly sure about what he was telling you though. They're not that much more than Dynamic Golds price wise, but much more concerning is that the RSI1 and RSI2 are 2 different clubs for different category of players. The RSI1 is their Super GI club that's designed for max forgiveness while the RSI2 is more of a standard player's GI iron that's a progressive set. The RSI2 has 5 separate designs throughout the 9 club set for both forgiveness and playability. The heads are smaller and less forgiving. And they also have a higher price tag as well as a better profit margin. Sounds to me like he was blowing some smoke to try and get you to spend more and he make more commission. JMO though.

 

Did he fit you or were you just talking to him about the clubs? If he didn't fit you, he was definitely trying to make a sales pitch for more cash out of your pocket. Because there's no way he could've recommended the proper iron or shaft with just a guess based on what you were talking about to him.

I used the KBS tours in my new clubs. Haven't picked up any height, but hit it more constantly than ever.  I think everyone hit it on the head, he tried to pull a fast one on you. Go get fitted somewhere else and find the shaft that works for you. 

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Do you take large divots? KBS shafts are known to bend for a digger.

I wasn't aware of that. Luckily I'm a sweeper.

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Do you take large divots? KBS shafts are known to bend for a digger.

I do take divots, not beaver pelts just nice size divots

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Titleist 913D 7.5 Degree, Stiff Speeder Tour Spec 6.2 Shaft

Wedges: Taylormade 60 d Titleist Vokey 54,56,58

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KBS Tours have a softer tip section and a higher ball flight. If you play in a lot of wind and hit the ball high already, I'd advise against them. They do not fight the wind. They're superb feeling shafts though and if you hit the ball lower and need help getting the ball up, KBS is your shaft.

The KBS C-Taper is their competitor to the Dynamic Gold. It's not as low as the DG, but it's significantly lower launching and spinning than the KBS Tour. It feels totally different than the Tour though, as it's got a much stiffer tip section and the audible feedback on misses is much louder.

The Dynamic Gold is the lowest launching shaft out there in terms of steel. It's the standard across the tours as well, as it's the #1 steel shaft in play and has been for a long time. It's low launch and lower spinning than anything else out there and is perfect for someone that needs to hit the ball lower.

I do have a feeling the guy wasn't exactly sure about what he was telling you though. They're not that much more than Dynamic Golds price wise, but much more concerning is that the RSI1 and RSI2 are 2 different clubs for different category of players. The RSI1 is their Super GI club that's designed for max forgiveness while the RSI2 is more of a standard player's GI iron that's a progressive set. The RSI2 has 5 separate designs throughout the 9 club set for both forgiveness and playability. The heads are smaller and less forgiving. And they also have a higher price tag as well as a better profit margin. Sounds to me like he was blowing some smoke to try and get you to spend more and he make more commission. JMO though.

Did he fit you or were you just talking to him about the clubs? If he didn't fit you, he was definitely trying to make a sales pitch for more cash out of your pocket. Because there's no way he could've recommended the proper iron or shaft with just a guess based on what you were talking about to him.

I can't agree with this post more. Rookie was spot on with what I noticed when I got fit for my shafts. The kbs tour feel great but launched much much higher and spun a lot more. C taper was much lower spin and slightly low launch but nothing launched as low as the dynamic golds.
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I do take divots, not beaver pelts just nice size divots

I've only heard issues with the C-tapers. Not sure if there have been KBS Tour issues.

For what its worth, have had about 4 or 5 sets with C-tapers without issue.

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