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Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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I never paid much attention to these big name reviews as I assume there is a money influence. But it's interesting that you noticed this.

Launch monitors. Everyone thinks the lower the spin, the better, so they've created such drivers in response.   It's kind of like government crash test ratings for vehicles. They build the vehicles

I'm not going to push Silver and Black on this one - I get where he's coming from - it's very frustrating to get stuck behind folks who exhibit poor etiquette.   If it's hoops I want the guy on my t

I'm calling the listed numbers beside each tester BS Fezzler - not the test - the test is what it is and I agree with you - all of these tests are starting points.  The test is a for what its worth sort of thing - I find little value in these because they give no data what so ever but they do offer some sort of feed back.

 

Here's the BS that I'm calling - I don't buy that there is a group of 40 testers with a 65/35 draw/fade bias when half of the testers are 10 or above.  I would like a bit more information before buying into those numbers - did the numbers come from the test or from the tester hitting his own driver prior to the test or simply as word of mouth from the tester.  To me that's BS given the numbers don't make sense.

 

Now if you want to still say it's not fair to call those numbers BS after my rationale by all means call me out - but call me out for the intent of the thread. :)

 

 

Maybe they were all given draw biased drivers ;) lol

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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If you call a "draw" an over the top cast that hooks, yes, many people are all too familiar with this shot outcome.

Numbers can look a helluva lot prettier than the actual shot/swing in this sense.

 

And over-swinging or just being plain tired is awesome for hooks. Or ill-fitting equipment. After they've hit a zillion balls for these tests, the swing has to start breaking down somewhat. Like going to a LM and banging 75 driver shots. You'd hit 14 drivers in a round usually. You're beat before you're halfway through and it does skew numbers.

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If you call a "draw" an over the top cast that hooks, yes, many people are all too familiar with this shot outcome.

Numbers can look a helluva lot prettier than the actual shot/swing in this sense.

 

And over-swinging or just being plain tired is awesome for hooks. Or ill-fitting equipment. After they've hit a zillion balls for these tests, the swing has to start breaking down somewhat. Like going to a LM and banging 75 driver shots. You'd hit 14 drivers in a round usually. You're beat before you're halfway through and it does skew numbers.

I could buy that explanation.

 

Here's the thing, their test has potential. 40 testers, if you gave each testers result with each driver it would give a starting point. I just looked at the test again, it does almost nothing beyond what I could learn from each OEMs website.

 

Regardless knowing where the numbers come from under each golfer would be helpful. In fact knowing the players normal numbers with their gamer and then in the test would be helpful too.

 

I'm going to start a thread on LM sessions based on Mr Divot's comments.

Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

SCOR 52,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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Agreed. The lower the score, the "better" the player/golfer.

 

I consider a "good" golfer one that respects the golf course and those that he is playing with and around. The good golfer replaces his divots. He/she fixes ball marks on the greens. The good golfer isn't a distraction to others while playing. The good golfer doesn't spend 15 minutes looking for a lost ball. The good golfer plays at a reasonable pace instead of getting  belligerent with the people behind him/her for asking him/her to play through.

 

Those things have nothing to do with scoring or who is the more accomplished player. I'll choose to play with a "good" golfer any day over the "better" golfer.... unless that golfer is both.

So, what's your definition of a good basketball player?

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that's my biggest issue with these testers. Where's the guy whose younger and just starting and a 20 handicap with a mean slice? 

 

Or the guy whose 75 and hits it 150 but dead straight.

 

Look I get they are going for a crossection but honestly, I've looked over some of their guys and none come close to what we all see as normal. 

 

I know I'm an anomaly, I hit everything with a draw. A legit draw that can turn into a hook when I'm really off. And yes I'm a double digit. I've never seen another golfer like me.

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 Driver:   :callaway-small:  Epic Flash 12 Degree

Wood: :callaway-small:  GBB 3 Wood
Hybrid: :callaway-small: Razr 4 hybriid stiff stock shaft.
Irons: :callaway-small: X2 Hot 4 iron (pro version) 5 iron - Gap Wedge (non pro version).  KBS 120g Shaft stiff cut 1/2  inch bent 1°upright
Wedges: :vokey-small: 52° 56° and 60°.
All grips are Golf pride grips midsized
Putter (lefty):  Odyssey Metal-X #8 34", stock shaft bent 2° Superstroke grip
Golf Balls:   :titelist-small: 2018-9 Pro-V1x and Prov1s
Shoes:  :footjoy-small:  Dryjoy tours

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I'm not going to push Silver and Black on this one - I get where he's coming from - it's very frustrating to get stuck behind folks who exhibit poor etiquette.

 

If it's hoops I want the guy on my team who blocks shots, gets rebounds and drains the 3 - I'll take LeBron please and I won't even begin to worry about his personal life - that's his problem so long as he shows up to play.

 

@ Sportsfan the more I think about the magazine test the more I realize that it's absolutely useless.  There is nothing there that I can't discover from the OEMs website, there's no data, I don't know who the comments are coming from so they aren't relevant - I mean the clubface is hot from an anonymous tester doesn't help me - was it the guy in his 30's who has a 2, launches it low and hits it 280 or the guy in his 60's who launches it high with too much spin?

 

Occasionally these tests have given us starting points but these don't even really do that.  MGS's test does give a starting point.  Last year's Most Wanted Driver test plus the guys who went out to the Kingdom for the SLDR fitting gave me a starting point. 

 

I then went to 2 demo days armed with the knowledge that for my swing type an SLDR could be a break through.  I actually had to fight with the guy running one of them to let me hit a 12 degree lofted driver and I was lied to (I knew it so no real harm) by the guy running the other demo day when I inquired about shaft length.  Regardless I ended up able to find a driver, at a good price, that gave me a few extra yards and allowed me to hit an additional fairway per round.  I also knew that I had some more wiggle room because I had yet to look at after market shaft options. 

 

Besides being a fun community where we are making friends who share a similar passion for golf we are also learning about equipment here.  How it works, how it might fit our game.  I've never asked an equipment/fitting question that hasn't been answered in a meaningful and useful way within 24 hours.  I have several MGS members whom I can PM with a question so that I can't be BS'd when I go to have a club worked on. 

 

What more can you ask for? 

 

For that reason I just sent in a modest contribution after seeing X's video.  My church is in the midst of a Capital Campaign, I've been making videos like crazy of late - I appreciate the effort that goes into them - BTW x I've gotten to where I can do those things in one take - great job on yours!

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Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

SCOR 52,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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Regarding your original thoughts on this thread, I noted that Host Stix certified each and every participant.  Is it possible that their launch monitors were draw biased?

Driver: PXG 0211 w/Evenflo Riptide CB Regular shaft BACKUP DRIVER: Cobra F8 w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft  Fairways:  Cobra King F8 3W(14.5*) & 5W(18.5*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Hybrid: Ben Hogan VKTR 3 Hybrid(18*) w/Recoil ES Hybrid(75 GM) regular shaft Irons: Wilson D7 5-PW w/Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts Wedges: Cleveland RTX Zipcore(50*/54*/58*) w/True Temper Spinner Wedge steel shaft  Putter: 33" Evnroll ER2 Bag: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag(Peacoat Blue).  Pushcart:  Caddytek 3.0 from Costco

 

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Here's the problem Foz - there's no clear statement as to where the numbers came from - we are assuming they came from the test.

 

Actually I think that Mr. Divot's comment could explain the so called draw phenomena.  When I think about my fade happy friends (I have two of them that I play with regularly - both 20 plus handicappers but plus 3 guys) They always start out the round hitting slices.  Sometimes they will hit the most elegant pull draws, normally about the time there is OB left and I'd imagine that if they were tired that might became the norm.

 

Regardless I started this thread calling BS on the numbers but now I'm wondering what real purpose these tests even serve.  Again I don't find any quantitative information or data that is usable, there's a subjective comment or two, the tech info is off the OEM's website and at the end there's a among the best in its class or some other remark.  How does that benefit anyone who might be looking to purchase a new driver this year?

 

Not at all!

Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

SCOR 52,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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I totally agree on calling BS.  Before I joined MGS, I read these reviews and tried to compare myself to one or more of the testers, but that's impossible.  I am so glad that we have our alternative.  At least I can look at numbers, make some comparisons, and focus my time on the drivers I want to check out at demo days.  

 

Not saying this is the case, but I have played with people that call a fade a draw.  Don't know if they just misspoke or actually don't know the difference.  Just sayin'

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I like your irons revkev and I play a straight ball, cut and draw....just not always on purpose lol. But yeah the C100s are freaking easy to game. I went with the stock Aldila Rip phenoms though. Did you custom order your shafts and did Wilson put them in or are they aftermaket shafts bro?

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Ping K15 10.5° Regular TFC

Maxfli 3 Wood 15° Regular Series 76 tip stiff

Adams A12OS 19° 3 Hybrid Pro Launch Blue Regular

Wilson Staff C-100 4-GW Aldila RIP Phenom xi75 Regular

TMag ATV 54° & 58° Wedges KBS wedge flex

YES Callie-12 C-Groove milled, 35" Winn Jumbo Light grip

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I love the rip phenoms but was curious to see something like the studios or recoils in them. Do you get a better ball flight with the studios and have you tried the rip phenoms??? I love the Aldilas is why I ask and can't imagine there's a better graphite shaft out there that would be better paired with the C100s.

Ping K15 10.5° Regular TFC

Maxfli 3 Wood 15° Regular Series 76 tip stiff

Adams A12OS 19° 3 Hybrid Pro Launch Blue Regular

Wilson Staff C-100 4-GW Aldila RIP Phenom xi75 Regular

TMag ATV 54° & 58° Wedges KBS wedge flex

YES Callie-12 C-Groove milled, 35" Winn Jumbo Light grip

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