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Firestone Country Club North Course. I know the South Course gets all the glory, but it isn't nearly as hard as the North.... I've played both. The North is 7,125 yards. It has many lakes and streams to contend with. I'll probably never get to play it again, but at least I got to play it! I shot 86 that day.

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Prairie Dunes in Hutchinson, KS is the the most difficult course I've played. It doesn't kill you with length (just under 7,000 from the back tees), but the native grass (or as locals call it - gunch) swallows any offline tee shot, and the greens are some of the most complex and mind bending I've ever encountered.

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This is probably the easiest golf question for me.  It was Bethpage Black.  I was playing with a very good friend that was a former professional.  He played it from the back after showing his +2 handicap card to the starter, needless to say I moved up a couple of tee boxes.  I felt like it was an 18 hole dogfight, but managed to shoot 95 with an 18 handicap.  I am sure had I not been with my friend, I would have never been allowed on the course.  Fun day, he shot 78 which included a couple of 30 foot bombs and a chip in.  Every time I see the pros play that course it gives me an appreciation for just how well they can play the game.

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On 12/7/2020 at 8:40 AM, Bendreiling said:

Prairie Dunes in Hutchinson, KS is the the most difficult course I've played. It doesn't kill you with length (just under 7,000 from the back tees), but the native grass (or as locals call it - gunch) swallows any offline tee shot, and the greens are some of the most complex and mind bending I've ever encountered.

I played that course in a Kansas/Colorado USGA event and I'd agree 100%.  If you aren't in the short grass you are in jail!  Honestly, even after missing the putts I never saw how the ball broke that direction on some of the holes.

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Chanticleer course at Greenville CC.  It is long, and the greens are exceptionally difficult. 

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In last few years, it would have to be Wolf Creek in Mesquite NV.   Terra Lago South Course in Indio CA was also a tough course.

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I would have to say Musgrove Mill Golf Club near Clinton SC. I was a non-resident member there in the mid 90s.I was an 8 hdcp on my home course here in Charlotte, but in my three years of playing Musgrove once a month I only broke 80 twice. Back then I played the par 72 6950 yard tees with a rating of 74.4 and a 153 slope. If I played there today I probably wouldn't break 100 even with my 10.8 index. 

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I would have to say Musgrove Mill Golf Club near Clinton SC. I was a non-resident member there in the mid 90s.I was an 8 hdcp on my home course here in Charlotte, but in my three years of playing Musgrove once a month I only broke 80 twice. Back then I played the par 72 6950 yard tees with a rating of 74.4 and a 153 slope. If I played there today I probably wouldn't break 100 even with my 10.8 index. 

A fraternity brother of mine has been a member there forever! He grew-up in Clinton, and had a couple car dealerships. I never got a chance to play it when I lived in Charlotte, but I always heard great things.

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Harbour Town was incredibly difficult, as there is zero room for error off the tee and the course is so tight that if you’re not in the right part of the fairway you have to be able to shape your shot to have a chance at the green. Great course though, reallY enjoyed shooting over 100 there. 

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I would have to say Musgrove Mill Golf Club near Clinton SC. I was a non-resident member there in the mid 90s.I was an 8 hdcp on my home course here in Charlotte, but in my three years of playing Musgrove once a month I only broke 80 twice. Back then I played the par 72 6950 yard tees with a rating of 74.4 and a 153 slope. If I played there today I probably wouldn't break 100 even with my 10.8 index. 

I’m not far from there, is it public? I love trying out new courses, even when they’re way harder than I should play. 

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On 9/10/2020 at 9:49 PM, Popeye64 said:

Pinehurst #2. The level of difficulty that is as tough as any course out there. Greens that defy description But there is also a gravity to the moment... that you are in the cathedral of golf.
I did not rise to the challenge over all. But had a string of 4 pars on the backside and a final birdie on the closing hole.
I had many big number holes that I had myself out of position and paid heavy prices for.
A place that as you leave you just want a chance to play again.

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My wife surprised me with a weekend at Pinehurst last summer and I played 2 and 7. The timing of the weekend was as terrible as it could be, as I had been working through some swing changes and they were compounded by brand new clubs that I wasn’t used to yet. I still had a blast spraying shots all over number 2, and although I didn’t have a good score, my putter was lights out. I finished with no 3 putts, 29 total putts including several made longer than 30 feet. Definitely an extremely challenging course, and as you mentioned, the atmosphere surrounding it adds another element. 

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Harbour Town was incredibly difficult, as there is zero room for error off the tee and the course is so tight that if you’re not in the right part of the fairway you have to be able to shape your shot to have a chance at the green. Great course though, reallY enjoyed shooting over 100 there. 
I’m not far from there, is it public? I love trying out new courses, even when they’re way harder than I should play. 

Harbor Town is definitely narrow & smaller greens, great course to play!


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On 1/24/2021 at 10:40 AM, Watchnut33 said:

Harbour Town was incredibly difficult, as there is zero room for error off the tee and the course is so tight that if you’re not in the right part of the fairway you have to be able to shape your shot to have a chance at the green. Great course though, reallY enjoyed shooting over 100 there. 

I’m not far from there, is it public? I love trying out new courses, even when they’re way harder than I should play. 

I'm pretty sure  Musgrove is private. You might be able to get a complimentary round if you call and inquire about memberships. 

Thinking about Harbour Town reminded me of Wild Dunes Links Course. I haven't played there in a long time but it's very tight. If memory serves me correctly,  missing the fairway by a few yards could easily result in a lost ball.  Hopefully they've softened it somewhat since the 80s and 90s.  

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I would rate Purgatory in Noblesville, IN as the toughest course I have ever played. You can have a fun time playing the white tees, but when you play the Purgatory tees it is, well, Purgatory.

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On 1/24/2021 at 10:47 AM, Watchnut33 said:

My wife surprised me with a weekend at Pinehurst last summer and I played 2 and 7. The timing of the weekend was as terrible as it could be, as I had been working through some swing changes and they were compounded by brand new clubs that I wasn’t used to yet. I still had a blast spraying shots all over number 2, and although I didn’t have a good score, my putter was lights out. I finished with no 3 putts, 29 total putts including several made longer than 30 feet. Definitely an extremely challenging course, and as you mentioned, the atmosphere surrounding it adds another element. 

I found 7 to be harder than 2.  I played both from the tips and yes, they are both long.  I just found that 7 had a ton of elevated greens with very subtle breaks that are hard to read.  The teeth of #2 is easily the greens, no doubt.  However from tee to green it is not very difficult.  I just think 7 is a beast, plus it has a higher slope rating at 143 compared to #2 at 138.  Just to be clear...Bethpage Black has a slope rating of 144.  Pinehurst 7 is one of my favorites and should be on everyone's list when they visit Pinehurst.

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TPC Sawgrass Stadium and Black Wolf Run River course are without a doubt the two hardest courses I’ve played. 
 

Both Pete Dye courses... Darn him, you have to wonder what mischievous thoughts were going through his mind when he designed these courses. 

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Top 5 hardest courses by rating (Course / Tees / Rating):
-    Erin Hills - Black – 77.9
-    Whistling Straits (Straits) – Black – 77.2
-    Blackwolf Run (River) – Black – 76.2 
-    Hazeltine National – Blue – 75.7
-    Whistling Straits (Irish) –  Black – 75.6  

 

The Actual Hardest Course Setup:

The hardest course I have ever played was at Hazeltine National when the course was set up for the Superintendents Revenge tournament (and we did not know about it in advance) - it was definitely playing WAY harder than than the 75.7 rating on the card... 

My buddy and I had booked a super early tee time because there was a ‘member event/tournament’ that afternoon and we had to be off the course in time for that (I don't know if we actually saw any other golfers while we were on the course that day).  The entire round we were wondering what was going on because the course was stretched to its absolute limit on the tee boxes (basically one club length from the back of the box on every hole)  and all of the pins seemed to be tucked a few paces onto the green and/or in the hardest spots to hit/putt.  It took us a few holes to really figure out that something was going on.  At first we guessed that the tee markers might have been moved all the way back so that the grounds crew could mow more easily or something like that (plausible, since it was so early), so we played the tees as marked but figured/hoped they’d get moved up by the time we were a few holes in – and tough pins aren’t exactly unusual at that course. After we were a few holes in though, the pattern was pretty evident.  We didn't know why it was set up that way, but we ended up having an absolute blast playing such a wild set up.  After we finished on 18 we chatted with a couple people who were getting ready for the event and they explained to us what a Superintendent's Revenge tournament was and that the course was set up to basically play as hard as it could (we had already figured that part out – but it was nice to have it confirmed). 
 

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My experience is lacking compared to most of the courses here, but I once played a private course in Maine call the Woodlands. Course and slope are 73.9/145 from the back tees, which is where we played from. I was 17, so I can't remember that far back, but I believe my 9 handicap at the time shot a 90 or higher. 

When my wife asked if I wanted to leave Maine and move to where she grew up, I couldn't say no to Pinehurst, NC. I honestly don't spend much money on golf equipment, but I'm constantly reading reviews in case I ever get ready to buy

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TPC Las Vegas...lots of blind tee shots and forced carries, if you missed the fairway it was at least a one shot penalty 

 

 

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On 4/25/2021 at 7:01 PM, ballplayer002003 said:

I found 7 to be harder than 2.  I played both from the tips and yes, they are both long.  I just found that 7 had a ton of elevated greens with very subtle breaks that are hard to read.  The teeth of #2 is easily the greens, no doubt.  However from tee to green it is not very difficult.  I just think 7 is a beast, plus it has a higher slope rating at 143 compared to #2 at 138.  Just to be clear...Bethpage Black has a slope rating of 144.  Pinehurst 7 is one of my favorites and should be on everyone's list when they visit Pinehurst.

I agree that Pinehurst #7 is very difficult.  I remember #2 being very difficult on approaches with long irons.  I didn't play the tips on #2 and the greens were more receptive given it had rained that week, but it was still hard getting the ball close.  I can see how it would be amazing as test for the world's best with a US Open set up.

I would say that on a typical windy, Fall day in Bandon, OR.  Pacific Dunes and Bandon Dunes are some of the toughest courses to play in America.  Even with caddies telling you where to hit it, it can still be very hard to hit and keep it on the greens and make putts.  Some par 3s were next to impossible with the wind gusts.  I learned how to take half swing 5 and 6 irons for trajectory distance control.  I should note that I was very impressed at how good the caddies were.  

 

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Muirfield Village in OH, and Cog Hill in IL are the toughest courses I’ve ever played myself, but I haven’t been to as many bucket list courses as some here. Recently played Tobacco Road, looks really rough but not as hard as it looks - the most unique course I’ve ever seen/played - fascinating!

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On 4/27/2021 at 6:15 PM, KC Golf said:

I agree that Pinehurst #7 is very difficult.  I remember #2 being very difficult on approaches with long irons.  I didn't play the tips on #2 and the greens were more receptive given it had rained that week, but it was still hard getting the ball close.  I can see how it would be amazing as test for the world's best with a US Open set up.

I would say that on a typical windy, Fall day in Bandon, OR.  Pacific Dunes and Bandon Dunes are some of the toughest courses to play in America.  Even with caddies telling you where to hit it, it can still be very hard to hit and keep it on the greens and make putts.  Some par 3s were next to impossible with the wind gusts.  I learned how to take half swing 5 and 6 irons for trajectory distance control.  I should note that I was very impressed at how good the caddies were.  

 

My buddy played Bandon and said the same thing!  He absolutely loved the courses.  Bandon is on my bucket list for sure.  Call me crazy, but I hope we play when it's windy as hell...I just feel like it's only right to do that.  haha

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Toughest I’ve ever played was Fallen Oak in Biloxi. Beautiful course in the middle of nowhere, greens like glass. To be fair I’m no golf savant and about an 11 handicap, not well traveled golf wise, but looking to change that!! 

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Toughest I’ve ever played was Fallen Oak in Biloxi. Beautiful course in the middle of nowhere, greens like glass. To be fair I’m no golf savant and about an 11 handicap, not well traveled golf wise, but looking to change that!! 

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Hardest most difficult course I ever played was in Zionville Indiana called Wolf Run.   It had a stretch of three holes that Nick Faldo was quoted as saying were the hardest three holes in a row he has played.    Unfortunately the club closed in I believe 2017.

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I'll just put this one in there as well.  Can't find the actual scorecard but numbers here are accurate.
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Hardest course and best course I ever played was the Kampen Course at Birick Boilermaker Golf Complex. Pete Dye redesigned both courses at Purdue. I have to admit my bias as I am Purdue alum. Indiana has an underrated golf scene.

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Played in a charity outing at Laurel Valley in PA. Didn’t realize how prestigious it was. That being said it was the hardest course I have ever played. The greens were the fastest I’ve ever seen. Normally I am a decent putter (avg 31 putts per round) and I couldn’t hit a putt to save my life. Beautiful course though

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Hardest Course I have ever played is Bellerive, and it just happened to be the week before a Mid-Am event at the club. They had the greens rolling almost a 12 on the stimp-meter, and the greens were hard and fast.

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:ping-small: iCrossover 18* w/ Ventus Black 9X

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 :vokey-small: SM9 50 F-grind / 54 F-grind / 58 V-grind w/ True Temper Gold Onyx Tour S400

:scotty-cameron-1: Circle T Newport 35 Inch

:titelist-small: Pro V1

 Vessel Player III DXR Stand Bag

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Local course in Maryland. The Club at PB Dye. Was ranked the 27th hardest course in the country in 2007 by Golf Digest. Multiple blind tee shots and approach shots. Multi tiered undulated greens. Tall fescue rough. Yeah that course can be an absolute brute if you are playing for the first time.

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