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Driver:      :ping-small:  G425MAX 10.5° -1° Flat on Project X HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 65g

Fairway:   :ping-small:  G410 3 wood LST & 5  Wood Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

                     :ping-small:  G425MAX  7 & 9  Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Hybrid:     :ping-small:  G425MAX  6 H Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Irons:     :ping-small:  i 500 7-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :vokey-small: SM8 50°, 54° & 60° on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: Studio Style Newport 1.5

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X :taylormade-small: TP5 

Shoes:     :footjoy-small:  

Range Finder: :918457628_PrecisionPro: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

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Nice review Rick!

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Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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Good job Rick! I liked the joke about the 364 average. Cracked me up.

 

Great job on the images and format though. It looks like a professional review.

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The Bard is back! Great review Rick.

 

@undershooter and hckymeyer given what we know about equipment I would say that it's close to impossible for the same shaft to offer the same benefit for 12 golfers of varying swing speeds, AoAs, transitions, etc.

 

Having written that this shaft really works for me. I've gained some yardage and a bit more consistency. I played a 410 yard par 4 yesterday wind across and in, right to left. Hit a low rope that left me 178 to a back pin. The drive went 236 into the wind. I would have expected 220 tops with my old shaft, leaving me 190 plus, into the wind over water, probably a lay up. Instead I had a simple 4 hybrid.

 

I was also neck and neck with my playing partner. When he unloaded he was longer than me but I guarantee my average drive was longer than his and I hit the longest drive more frequently than he did. I was very pleased.

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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The Bard is back! Great review Rick.

@undershooter and hckymeyer given what we know about equipment I would say that it's close to impossible for the same shaft to offer the same benefit for 12 golfers of varying swing speeds, AoAs, transitions, etc.

Having written that this shaft really works for me. I've gained some yardage and a bit more consistency. I played a 410 yard par 4 yesterday wind across and in, right to left. Hit a low rope that left me 178 to a back pin. The drive went 236 into the wind. I would have expected 220 tops with my old shaft, leaving me 190 plus, into the wind over water, probably a lay up. Instead I had a simple 4 hybrid.

I was also neck and neck with my playing partner. When he unloaded he was longer than me but I guarantee my average drive was longer than his and I hit the longest drive more frequently than he did. I was very pleased.

I'm not saying it's a bad shaft Rev. It actually seems to be a very good shaft when I take a little off, swing smooth and try not to release as late. That just isn't a very comfortable swing for me. I'm much more comfortable going after it a little.

Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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I'm not saying it's a bad shaft Rev. It actually seems to be a very good shaft when I take a little off, swing smooth and try not to release as late. That just isn't a very comfortable swing for me. I'm much more comfortable going after it a little.

I would say it works better for me with a later release. Where I get in trouble with it is when I think about adding power or when to release. Certainly, an early release with this shaft is much more of a disaster than with other shafts.

 

I also made some minor swing adjustments to get this shaft to work. But it is not like I had a good driver swing before.

 

Driver:      :ping-small:  G425MAX 10.5° -1° Flat on Project X HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 65g

Fairway:   :ping-small:  G410 3 wood LST & 5  Wood Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

                     :ping-small:  G425MAX  7 & 9  Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Hybrid:     :ping-small:  G425MAX  6 H Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Irons:     :ping-small:  i 500 7-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :vokey-small: SM8 50°, 54° & 60° on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: Studio Style Newport 1.5

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X :taylormade-small: TP5 

Shoes:     :footjoy-small:  

Range Finder: :918457628_PrecisionPro: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

All grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated

 

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I would say it works better for me with a later release. Where I get in trouble with it is when I think about adding power or when to release. Certainly, an early release with this shaft is much more of a disaster than with other shafts.

 

I also made some minor swing adjustments to get this shaft to work. But it is not like I had a good driver swing before.

The more I go after it, the later I release the shaft and the further right this shaft goes lol

Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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The more I go after it, the later I release the shaft and the further right this shaft goes lol

True for me, as well.  But that seems to be true regardless of the shaft I use, at least in my case.

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Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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The more I go after it, the later I release the shaft and the further right this shaft goes lol

Probably not releasing enough to square up in time and maybe getting ahead of the ball. Going after it usually makes the swing break down more than an equipment issue. But it's possible.

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Probably not releasing enough square up in time and maybe getting ahead of the ball. Going after it usually makes the swing break down more than an equipment issue. But it's possible.

No doubt a swing flaw on my part but I do a lot better with boardy shafts where it takes a lot of torque to feel the shaft kick. In this case the ahina holds up better than the Paderson does.
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Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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No doubt a swing flaw on my part but I do a lot better with boardy shafts where it takes a lot of torque to feel the shaft kick. In this case the ahina holds up better than the Paderson does.

It really is about knowing one's tendencies and legislating for those.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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The big thing for me is that I don't want to have to adjust my swing to a shaft.  I already have a shaft that fits me wonderfully and allows me to swing my swing (Diamana D+).  I'm fitting a shaft to my swing, not my swing to a shaft.  That defeats the purpose of getting fit in the first place.

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Driver: :callaway-logo-1: Epic SZ w/ VA Composites Raijin 65 04

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :ping-small: 5i-UW G700 w/ X100 soft stepped once

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 & 58 CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

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That same shaft has been better in my driver than any other I've tried. Funny thing though, I put it in my other driver and it doesn't work or feel as good.

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I once was lost in that I was in the shaft only school. We had a blog article on MGS a couple of years ago that convinced me it's both. That got me to try an SLDR! That head with lots of loft makes sense for my swing. The Paderson shaft on that head really woks, for me.

 

That entire sentence is operative. BTW I'm also playing a shaft that is 45 7/8 up from 441/2. I'm longer and just as straight or a tad straighter and more consistent than I was.

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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My experience was surprising putting the same shaft on two cobra heads very similar to each other. The same adapter goes in both and the swing weights come out almost the same, inside one point. I just can't get the same feel out of the newer head. Plus it's less consistent and not as long on average. Go figure.

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The more I go after it, the later I release the shaft and the further right this shaft goes lol

 

 

True for me, as well.  But that seems to be true regardless of the shaft I use, at least in my case.

 

Perhaps where we differ is that I said that I spent some time on the range and had to make some set up adjustments that first Saturday morning. I learned that if I took a very strong grip that this launched high and deep.

 

I stated that it was not love at first swing. Not only did the kick feel funny, it did slice and spin. Solution? The same with any slice. Hit a draw. I took a much stronger grip and set up to hit the draw. Problem solved.

 

It actually took me a long time, and some more work, to be able to hit a fade with this shaft. A fade as opposed to a slice. The trick to that was to allow the shaft to do the work. I also find that if I really want to hit it far, I do not need to go after it. Of course that is easier to say than do.

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Driver:      :ping-small:  G425MAX 10.5° -1° Flat on Project X HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 65g

Fairway:   :ping-small:  G410 3 wood LST & 5  Wood Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

                     :ping-small:  G425MAX  7 & 9  Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Hybrid:     :ping-small:  G425MAX  6 H Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Irons:     :ping-small:  i 500 7-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :vokey-small: SM8 50°, 54° & 60° on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: Studio Style Newport 1.5

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X :taylormade-small: TP5 

Shoes:     :footjoy-small:  

Range Finder: :918457628_PrecisionPro: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

All grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated

 

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Perhaps where we differ is that I said that I spent some time on the range and had to make some set up adjustments that first Saturday morning. I learned that if I took a very strong grip that this launched high and deep.

 

I stated that it was not love at first swing. Not only did the kick feel funny, it did slice and spin. Solution? The same with any slice. Hit a draw. I took a much stronger grip and set up to hit the draw. Problem solved.

 

It actually took me a long time, and some more work, to be able to hit a fade with this shaft. A fade as opposed to a slice. The trick to that was to allow the shaft to do the work. I also find that if I really want to hit it far, I do not need to go after it. Of course that is easier to say than do.

I don't mind adapting to equipment with certain clubs but driver is not one I'm going to dry to do it with. I did the same thing where I tried to hit draws on the range. It helped but every time I had a pressure drive where I needed to hit a little cut I had a tendency to overcook it. So I prefer the Ahina where I don't have to change myself to suit it. I really wanted to like this shaft. Y'all will see the rest in my review.

Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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Nice review Rev!

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Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ Diamana Ahina 80X 44"
Fairway Metal- Tour Edge Exotics XCG7 Beta 3W 13* w/ Matrix 7m4 X 42.5"

Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions)

Irons- Mizuno MP-18 FLI HI 3i and 4i w/ KBS C-taper lite X
          Mizuno MP59 5i and 6I w/ PX 6.5

          Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5

Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 56* bent to 55* w/ rifle spinner shafts

                and Titleist Vokey 60* M grind

Putter- Never Compromise Dinero Mogul
Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

Bag- Ogio Aquatech Cart Bag

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