What Have You Bought Lately? (CHA - Club Ho's Anonymous)

[cnosil]

Ordered the 11 iron for my new Honma irons to fill the gap between 10 and 54*.    Had to go through Homna sales to get them to generate an invoice since you cannot order single irons online.   Great service as they had the invoice generated in 24 hours and indicated it would take about a week.  

[Grand Stranded]

4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Not looking for a debate either; just stating how the groove design works.  EvnRoll does have blades,  but when it comes to any golf club you have to figure out what works for you.   You have developed a particular "feel" for distance control and any putter that changes that will probably give you the same impression.  If you don't want to change then no EvnRoll putter will work for you.   Speed control isn't just about blade vs. mallet so the need to change your stroke length could happen with any putter you pick up. 

Thanks, you explained that really well.

That's why I didn't want to disagree with you earlier. I know how much experience you have testing different clubs, and your understanding of what effects design has on them blows mine away.

BTW I really appreciate that you take the time to reply to a lot of my posts and offer not only your opinion, but as much advice as you do.  

[xOldBenKenobiX]

12 hours ago, rkj427 said:

    Wonder if that is contagious and infects other's quickly......................... 

made a deal on this and have it heading my way to see if it can kick my older SC Newport 2 Notchback out of the bag..............

at least I will have all the "off season" here to play around and practice with both of them, before making a final decision, so it won't be a hasty decision

 

That is a nice putter, a couple of months back I saw one on FB for 180 bucks, we were out of town, I contacted the seller showing interest, but by the time we were back home it was sold.

Just like yours, his looked super clean and well taken care of.

[GolfSpy_SHARK]

Is work over yet?! I need to turn alerts off!

 

 

[Golfspy_CG2]

22 hours ago, djahubes said:

Really don’t need much to convince me to get the newest shiny object. It’s truly an addiction!! Ask CG2


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Yeah.  I do know a thing or two about that! 

[cksurfdude]

On 10/17/2020 at 10:20 AM, chisag said:

... Obviously the Pros have higher swing speeds but if most golfers saw just how high they hit the ball on tour, they would be pretty amazed.

Yeah not the topic of this thread but just to corraborate what he said - I attended the Barclays at Bethpage Black a few years ago, and my buddy and I walked all over the (very long!) course to watch different players at different holes - and I can fully attest to the fact that the pros' drives are literally sky-high!

That and the *CRACK * off the club face .. and seeing what they could carry off the tee .. really are impressive

[cksurfdude]

On 10/21/2020 at 5:52 PM, THEZIPR23 said:

Careful with smash factor. Obviously you saw improvement so the point is moot, but OEM's are tricking LM's with shapes and colors to increase smash.

Huh... Thought smash was a calculated result using swing speed and ball speed was inputs?

[yungkory]

36 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Huh... Thought smash was a calculated result using swing speed and ball speed was inputs?

To my knowledge, LMs use the ball speed to estimate smash, with GCQuad being an exception because it can actually track clubhead speed? So ball speed is the input, smash is estimated or assumed based on the club you tell the LM you're hitting, and therefore it can calculate what your SS "should be". So for example, this guy hit his driver and ball speed was 150, smash is preset at 1.45, therefore swing speed was calculated at 103ish. It's one of the issues I have with my local pro shops because they use a fixed smash on their GC4 (I don't even know if they pay for the extra cameras to make it a quad) and trick people into distance gains.

Maybe trackman can also measure CHS because it's further behind the player, and also a more advanced radar? Not sure how that doppler tech works

[Rickp]

To my knowledge, LMs use the ball speed to estimate smash, with GCQuad being an exception because it can actually track clubhead speed? So ball speed is the input, smash is estimated or assumed based on the club you tell the LM you're hitting, and therefore it can calculate what your SS "should be". So for example, this guy hit his driver and ball speed was 150, smash is preset at 1.45, therefore swing speed was calculated at 103ish. It's one of the issues I have with my local pro shops because they use a fixed smash on their GC4 (I don't even know if they pay for the extra cameras to make it a quad) and trick people into distance gains.
Maybe trackman can also measure CHS because it's further behind the player, and also a more advanced radar? Not sure how that doppler tech works

I’ve been suspect of some of the results I’ve been given by LM’s in Golf Shops. I don’t know enough about the current Technology to challenge any of the results.
One in session in particular a few years was definitely bogus.


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[edingc]

47 minutes ago, yungkory said:

To my knowledge, LMs use the ball speed to estimate smash, with GCQuad being an exception because it can actually track clubhead speed? So ball speed is the input, smash is estimated or assumed based on the club you tell the LM you're hitting, and therefore it can calculate what your SS "should be". So for example, this guy hit his driver and ball speed was 150, smash is preset at 1.45, therefore swing speed was calculated at 103ish. It's one of the issues I have with my local pro shops because they use a fixed smash on their GC4 (I don't even know if they pay for the extra cameras to make it a quad) and trick people into distance gains.

Maybe trackman can also measure CHS because it's further behind the player, and also a more advanced radar? Not sure how that doppler tech works

Trackman should have no issue tracking club speed, but if if I recall correctly there is a calculation done to estimate the true club speed at center of face.

Ball speed is king, regardless.

[cksurfdude]

12 minutes ago, Rickp said:

I’ve been suspect of some of the results I’ve been given by LM’s in Golf Shops.

I've read there's a setting to juice them up like +5% to exaggerate distance (and therefore to help promote sales).

[DiscipleofPenick]

I've read there's a setting to juice them up like +5% to exaggerate distance (and therefore to help promote sales).

They change anything they want. I got on the golf galaxy monitors by me and the 7i was going 30 yards further than in real life.

Take Dead Aim

[chisag]

2 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

They change anything they want. I got on the golf galaxy monitors by me and the 7i was going 30 yards further than in real life.

 

... I wish I could at least get a little ego boost at a fitting but the irony for me is I am the exact opposite.  My yardage off matts indoors with a LM is much shorter than on the course. I simply cannot hit off matts and into a screen anything like I do when playing real golf. Had the same problem as a QB at practice where I was not as accurate as I was in games. 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

Thinking of buying a more comfortable couch.
Wrong thread but right thread?  Let me explain. 
 

I may need that comfy couch cuz I just purchased a new Mizuno ST200G driver to play around with over the winter. My wife will inevitably yell that the season is over and I’m sleeping on the couch but man it was so pretty looking!
 So I have until the driver arrives to convince my wife that we need a new couch without mentioning the driver or me sleeping on it. Lol

[Erik-M]

So I have recently purchased the black Ben Hogan equalizer wedges to go with the black icons i tested and kept in the bag!!

[Golfspy_CG2]

3 hours ago, edingc said:

Trackman should have no issue tracking club speed, but if if I recall correctly there is a calculation done to estimate the true club speed at center of face.

Ball speed is king, regardless.

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

[Crowev01]

5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

Thanks for sharing. Sports in general is so data driven that sometimes the stats are almost too much info without knowing all of the factors. Will have have to look into more of this stuff now that we're in a post Bryson world.

[chisag]

8 minutes ago, Crowev01 said:

Thanks for sharing. Sports in general is so data driven that sometimes the stats are almost too much info without knowing all of the factors. Will have have to look into more of this stuff now that we're in a post Bryson world.

 

... Especially golf! Started off a few weeks ago with 8 one putts in 9 holes. Putter was obviously on fire? Not really, as I missed quite a few greens and chipped to a tap in. 2 birdies, 6 pars and one bogie after hitting an iron in the water, dropping and chipping to another tap in, so 10 putts was not as impressive as the numbers would have you think.

... GIR's can be equally misleading. If there is a front pin with slope back to front with a mound, I don't mind coming up short and often do exactly that on purpose for a missed GIR but a much better shot than 20 feet past the hole in the middle of the green for a GIR that can result in a bogie. Fairways hit can be a useless stat too when you bomb a drive into light rough as opposed to missing a fairway with a long iron/hybrid ending up in a bunker or behind a tree. The missed fairway with the bombed drive results in a birdie but the missed fairway with the iron results in a bogie. Lastly I hit a 330 yd drive last week when I have not sniffed 300 in quite a few years but a 35 mph wind with gusts to 45 made a straight downwind tee shot a memorable one, while another drive hit equally well on the hole before not was bombed all of 205 with the wind directly into my tee shot. 

 

[Golfspy_CG2]

19 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Especially golf! Started off a few weeks ago with 8 one putts in 9 holes. Putter was obviously on fire? Not really, as I missed quite a few greens and chipped to a tap in. 2 birdies, 6 pars and one bogie after hitting an iron in the water, dropping and chipping to another tap in, so 10 putts was not as impressive as the numbers would have you think.

... GIR's can be equally misleading. If there is a front pin with slope back to front with a mound, I don't mind coming up short and often do exactly that on purpose for a missed GIR but a much better shot than 20 feet past the hole in the middle of the green for a GIR that can result in a bogie. Fairways hit can be a useless stat too when you bomb a drive into light rough as opposed to missing a fairway with a long iron/hybrid ending up in a bunker or behind a tree. The missed fairway with the bombed drive results in a birdie but the missed fairway with the iron results in a bogie. Lastly I hit a 330 yd drive last week when I have not sniffed 300 in quite a few years but a 35 mph wind with gusts to 45 made a straight downwind tee shot a memorable one, while another drive hit equally well on the hole before not was bombed all of 205 with the wind directly into my tee shot. 

 

Agree with all that. 

And i think you can add sand save %. I mean a guy could hit totally average bunker shots and drain 10 to 15 footers. Is he a great sand player or better puttter

[ejgaudette]

3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

Just watching a few TXG comparison videos and they were mentioning how they were seeing that a driver head was being red a bit faster on average than another consistently both in testing and other fittings. So for them the real test of performance was ball speed. That's the constant, it's the same size and shaped everytime should be more consistent therefore. Smash is nice but yes can be very flawed.

[deejaid]

For the classic bag...
 

I’ve been meaning to get one of those for my classic bag too. I’ve been putting so well with a face balanced mallet in my modern bag I’d like to put one in the classic bag too.


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[HardcoreLooper]

23 minutes ago, deejaid said:

I’ve been meaning to get one of those for my classic bag too. I’ve been putting so well with a face balanced mallet in my modern bag I’d like to put one in the classic bag too.


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I finally took it out on the course the other night, and it wasn't bad.  But having putted with a putter with an insert for 15 years (Ping Craz-e G2i), the Zebra is much livelier.  But moving from a modern (?) face-balanced mallet to the Zebra was a pretty easy switch.

[MattF]

Renewed my membership for Windmill yesterday. $198 for 2 years of free golf.

[braincramp]

I picked up a mint set of Wilson V6's 3-GW a couple of weeks ago. Can't tell you how impressed I am with them. First time in 15 years I've carried a 3 and 4 iron that I can hit.

[kardboard.kid]

I went with this set up instead.  Should get delivery this week.

[Kenny B]

On 10/24/2020 at 4:48 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Agree with all that. 

And i think you can add sand save %. I mean a guy could hit totally average bunker shots and drain 10 to 15 footers. Is he a great sand player or better puttter

That's me!  I'm both.  

[cksurfdude]

7 hours ago, MattF said:

$198 for 2 years of free golf.

Is there one emoji to use for for astonished shocked complete disbelief incredible jealousy ..? (..while calculating total cost of relocating to MattF neighborhood...)

[THEZIPR23]

On 10/24/2020 at 10:55 AM, cksurfdude said:

Huh... Thought smash was a calculated result using swing speed and ball speed was inputs?

It is but measuring CHS is not as easy as it sounds. 

[kardboard.kid]

59 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Is there one emoji to use for for astonished shocked complete disbelief incredible jealousy ..? (..while calculating total cost of relocating to MattF neighborhood...)

I think we need to find out from Matt his secret.  

[cnosil]

I think we need to find out from Matt his secret.  

There is a group of courses near me that offers this type of deal. $198 for 2 years for unlimited weekdays up to $398 for 3 courses everyday.