What have you bought lately? (CHA - Club Ho's Anonymous)

[edingc 7,268]

47 minutes ago, yungkory said:

To my knowledge, LMs use the ball speed to estimate smash, with GCQuad being an exception because it can actually track clubhead speed? So ball speed is the input, smash is estimated or assumed based on the club you tell the LM you're hitting, and therefore it can calculate what your SS "should be". So for example, this guy hit his driver and ball speed was 150, smash is preset at 1.45, therefore swing speed was calculated at 103ish. It's one of the issues I have with my local pro shops because they use a fixed smash on their GC4 (I don't even know if they pay for the extra cameras to make it a quad) and trick people into distance gains.

Maybe trackman can also measure CHS because it's further behind the player, and also a more advanced radar? Not sure how that doppler tech works

Trackman should have no issue tracking club speed, but if if I recall correctly there is a calculation done to estimate the true club speed at center of face.

Ball speed is king, regardless.

[cksurfdude 7,931]

12 minutes ago, Rickp said:

I’ve been suspect of some of the results I’ve been given by LM’s in Golf Shops.

I've read there's a setting to juice them up like +5% to exaggerate distance (and therefore to help promote sales).

[Tsmithjr9 1,714]

I've read there's a setting to juice them up like +5% to exaggerate distance (and therefore to help promote sales).

They change anything they want. I got on the golf galaxy monitors by me and the 7i was going 30 yards further than in real life.

Take Dead Aim

[chisag 11,571]

2 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

They change anything they want. I got on the golf galaxy monitors by me and the 7i was going 30 yards further than in real life.

 

... I wish I could at least get a little ego boost at a fitting but the irony for me is I am the exact opposite.  My yardage off matts indoors with a LM is much shorter than on the course. I simply cannot hit off matts and into a screen anything like I do when playing real golf. Had the same problem as a QB at practice where I was not as accurate as I was in games. 

[blackngold_blood 4,039]

Thinking of buying a more comfortable couch.
Wrong thread but right thread?  Let me explain. 
 

I may need that comfy couch cuz I just purchased a new Mizuno ST200G driver to play around with over the winter. My wife will inevitably yell that the season is over and I’m sleeping on the couch but man it was so pretty looking!
 So I have until the driver arrives to convince my wife that we need a new couch without mentioning the driver or me sleeping on it. Lol

[Erik-M 653]

So I have recently purchased the black Ben Hogan equalizer wedges to go with the black icons i tested and kept in the bag!!

[Golfspy_CG2 25,108]

3 hours ago, edingc said:

Trackman should have no issue tracking club speed, but if if I recall correctly there is a calculation done to estimate the true club speed at center of face.

Ball speed is king, regardless.

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

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5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

Thanks for sharing. Sports in general is so data driven that sometimes the stats are almost too much info without knowing all of the factors. Will have have to look into more of this stuff now that we're in a post Bryson world.

[chisag 11,571]

8 minutes ago, Crowev01 said:

Thanks for sharing. Sports in general is so data driven that sometimes the stats are almost too much info without knowing all of the factors. Will have have to look into more of this stuff now that we're in a post Bryson world.

 

... Especially golf! Started off a few weeks ago with 8 one putts in 9 holes. Putter was obviously on fire? Not really, as I missed quite a few greens and chipped to a tap in. 2 birdies, 6 pars and one bogie after hitting an iron in the water, dropping and chipping to another tap in, so 10 putts was not as impressive as the numbers would have you think.

... GIR's can be equally misleading. If there is a front pin with slope back to front with a mound, I don't mind coming up short and often do exactly that on purpose for a missed GIR but a much better shot than 20 feet past the hole in the middle of the green for a GIR that can result in a bogie. Fairways hit can be a useless stat too when you bomb a drive into light rough as opposed to missing a fairway with a long iron/hybrid ending up in a bunker or behind a tree. The missed fairway with the bombed drive results in a birdie but the missed fairway with the iron results in a bogie. Lastly I hit a 330 yd drive last week when I have not sniffed 300 in quite a few years but a 35 mph wind with gusts to 45 made a straight downwind tee shot a memorable one, while another drive hit equally well on the hole before not was bombed all of 205 with the wind directly into my tee shot. 

 

[Golfspy_CG2 25,108]

19 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Especially golf! Started off a few weeks ago with 8 one putts in 9 holes. Putter was obviously on fire? Not really, as I missed quite a few greens and chipped to a tap in. 2 birdies, 6 pars and one bogie after hitting an iron in the water, dropping and chipping to another tap in, so 10 putts was not as impressive as the numbers would have you think.

... GIR's can be equally misleading. If there is a front pin with slope back to front with a mound, I don't mind coming up short and often do exactly that on purpose for a missed GIR but a much better shot than 20 feet past the hole in the middle of the green for a GIR that can result in a bogie. Fairways hit can be a useless stat too when you bomb a drive into light rough as opposed to missing a fairway with a long iron/hybrid ending up in a bunker or behind a tree. The missed fairway with the bombed drive results in a birdie but the missed fairway with the iron results in a bogie. Lastly I hit a 330 yd drive last week when I have not sniffed 300 in quite a few years but a 35 mph wind with gusts to 45 made a straight downwind tee shot a memorable one, while another drive hit equally well on the hole before not was bombed all of 205 with the wind directly into my tee shot. 

 

Agree with all that. 

And i think you can add sand save %. I mean a guy could hit totally average bunker shots and drain 10 to 15 footers. Is he a great sand player or better puttter

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3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I’ll quote your post of the many on this topic, as you correctly quoted one of the smartest engineers in the business Marty Jertson of PING. 
 

Everyone should read this article.  So much info in there that i bet none of us knew. 
 

The part about measuring club head speed by launch monitors was startling to me

Beware of Smash Factor

Just watching a few TXG comparison videos and they were mentioning how they were seeing that a driver head was being red a bit faster on average than another consistently both in testing and other fittings. So for them the real test of performance was ball speed. That's the constant, it's the same size and shaped everytime should be more consistent therefore. Smash is nice but yes can be very flawed.

[deejaid 3,936]

For the classic bag...
 

I’ve been meaning to get one of those for my classic bag too. I’ve been putting so well with a face balanced mallet in my modern bag I’d like to put one in the classic bag too.


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23 minutes ago, deejaid said:

I’ve been meaning to get one of those for my classic bag too. I’ve been putting so well with a face balanced mallet in my modern bag I’d like to put one in the classic bag too.


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I finally took it out on the course the other night, and it wasn't bad.  But having putted with a putter with an insert for 15 years (Ping Craz-e G2i), the Zebra is much livelier.  But moving from a modern (?) face-balanced mallet to the Zebra was a pretty easy switch.

[MattF 9,537]

Renewed my membership for Windmill yesterday. $198 for 2 years of free golf.

[braincramp 196]

I picked up a mint set of Wilson V6's 3-GW a couple of weeks ago. Can't tell you how impressed I am with them. First time in 15 years I've carried a 3 and 4 iron that I can hit.

[kardboard.kid 2,081]

I went with this set up instead.  Should get delivery this week.

[Kenny B 23,266]

On 10/24/2020 at 4:48 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Agree with all that. 

And i think you can add sand save %. I mean a guy could hit totally average bunker shots and drain 10 to 15 footers. Is he a great sand player or better puttter

That's me!  I'm both.  

[cksurfdude 7,931]

7 hours ago, MattF said:

$198 for 2 years of free golf.

Is there one emoji to use for for astonished shocked complete disbelief incredible jealousy ..? (..while calculating total cost of relocating to MattF neighborhood...)

[THEZIPR23 5,139]

On 10/24/2020 at 10:55 AM, cksurfdude said:

Huh... Thought smash was a calculated result using swing speed and ball speed was inputs?

It is but measuring CHS is not as easy as it sounds. 

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59 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Is there one emoji to use for for astonished shocked complete disbelief incredible jealousy ..? (..while calculating total cost of relocating to MattF neighborhood...)

I think we need to find out from Matt his secret.