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I play the ProV1X for some reason. I like it around the greens a lot but I'm not sure its right for me off the tee. I have played 2 rounds with the Callaway Hex Chromes early this year and was bombing them long and straight. Could have been I was having a good day or is it the ball? Its hard for a guy without a launch monitor to test balls imo. I could play a crap ball and waste a round or I could just stick with what I think I like. I don't know, I'm just rambling now. I guess I have no idea what ball I should use. Thats what I'm saying.

It's actually not that hard. Pick a pro line ball and play it. You are only likely to be a few yards different regardless of the ball so pick one that works best for you around the green. It's way more important that you play the same ball all the time because they all perform just a bit differently. T is being a physicist here and wanting to squeeze out every possible benefit. I love it but his game is so radically different from mine that there won't be a benefit for me

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Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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It's actually not that hard. Pick a pro line ball and play it. You are only likely to be a few yards different regardless of the ball so pick one that works best for you around the green. It's way more important that you play the same ball all the time because they all perform just a bit differently. T is being a physicist here and wanting to squeeze out every possible benefit. I love it but his game is so radically different from mine that there won't be a benefit for me

 

Awesome advice. Thats what I've done up to this. Buy a ton of Prov1X's and ride them out until they are gone then repeat. I guess there is no sense in changing now to save a couple bucks a year. I don't lose many balls so its not too big a deal buying a premium ball. 

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T, I will note that the Nike RZN Platinum this year is a FAR better ball than previous years.  Still has a distinct sound, but exceptionally playable.

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Is the Platinum new this year or was it in last year's batch?  Just curious, I'm set for balls through the year but was wondering.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Good stuff, thanks

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Can we get an update?

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Can't speak for T's time, but I've been playing the RZN Platinums for the last month and am pretty much sold. The sound is still a little strange, but I am finding them to be exceptionally playable.

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* 1W 10.5* @ Hogan GS53 ( HZRDUS Smoke Black X-Stiff )
* 3W Hogan GS52 ( HZRDUS Smoke Black X-Stiff ) 
* 5W 18* Tailor-made AeroBurner ( Stock Stiff )
* 4I-AW @ Hogan Ft Worth
* 56 @ Cleveland RTX
* 60 @ Hogan Equalizer
* Carbon Ringo 1/4
* Snell MTB-X

 

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I played a round with the Callaway Speed Regime 2 and really really liked them. If they werent almost the same price as my ProV1X's I might consider gaming them. 

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I figured it was time for an update. 

 

I haven't spent as much time on the launch monitor as I had originally planned. I expect I'll get back to that aspect of things, but I've really been spending lots of time with different balls on the course to see where I can actually see differences from one shot to the next.

 

As I look at different areas of the game, what I've found - and certainly those initial numbers with the Sand Wedge suggested this might be the case - is that in just about every area one might consider there are balls that standout (either good or bad), and a majority that basically performs well -enough without any particularly noticeable separation from the pack.

 

This is true of driver performance, iron performance, green side performance, and even less quantifiable things like feel.

 

I've talked about the Nike RZN Black. I still think it's the longest for me off the tee, but it leaves something to be desired around the green. The Callaway Chrome Soft does have a nice feel, but I'm far from enamored with it around the greens as well.

 

I get better greenside results with the RZN Platinum, but it's got a really strange feel. 

 

So it's really just been a process of slow elimination. When I do find something that apparently works better than the rest, it takes some repetition to determine whether it really stands out, or whether it's just a case of a good ball striking day making a ball look really good.

 

I'm likely going to be spending my next several rounds working between the Srixon and Bridgestone offerings. I haven't spent a ton of time with each yet, so I definitely haven't formed any sort of definitive opinion about which ball in the lineup more closely performs how I want it to.

 

Take the driver and putter out of it for a minute, and where I personally see differences between balls manifest themselves is what happens after the ball lands. Knowing what we know about launch and spin, it makes perfect sense, but I find myself really focused on that aspect of things right now.

 

From long irons, to middle, to short, and even pitches and chips, I'm seeing appreciable differences. 

 

So where does that leave me? At this point I'm trying to figure out exactly what I want a ball to do when it lands? Regardless of the natural trajectory of my shot...do I want a ball that stops dead? One that rolls out a few feet? One that comes back a few feet from inside 135?

 

For example, on a typical, well-struck shot with a Snell ball, I'm seeing 3-5 feet of roll. With the Pro V1x, I'm seeing less, and it tends to move a bit more with the curvature of the shot after it lands.

Which is more desireable? I know I don't want a lot of roll...there's something to be said for a few feet when you need it. There's also something to be said for a ball that stops almost dead from 200 yards out.

 

There is still much to be learned....

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We will be waiting for the results.  Around here, what the ball does when it lands depends a lot on which course I play.  The greens on a couple of courses in my area are very firm and I get roll-out no matter what ball I use.  On two other courses, the greens are very receptive, and I only get a couple of feet (I never spin any back!).  

 

I agree about the Chrome Soft; never play Nike.  I don't play Bridgestone except the Lady in the winter.  I like the ProV1 but not the price.  I used to play Srixon Z-Star and loved it; still do except Snell My Tour Ball came along and I switched for good.  

 

I am not sure how much longer my wife will play the yellow Z-Star.  Last spring we went into our local golf shop to buy a dozen yellow Z-Stars and they were out.  It took them 2 weeks to get some in and they only got 6 boxes of yellows.  Last Sunday we went in again to buy another dozen and they didn't have any.  They had a few white Z-stars, but no yellows and they said they were only getting in 20 dozen, and they said there was a new Cleveland/Srixon rep and they hadn't seen him for 2 months.  

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Really enjoying the new Srixon Zstar XV.  Driver swing speed is right around 105 and really enjoy the all around performance of the XV.  Runner up would be the B330.  

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If you want the ball to stop dead through the bag, spend your summers in Florida.

 

In all seriousness when I was younger I would always go with balata when I played in tournaments and less expensive balls when I did not.  I thought of myself as a bit of a choker because my performance wasn't up to par whenever I played tournament golf.  Well big surprise there - isn't of rolling out 5-10 feet I was sucking it back a few feet, sometimes more - even if I hit it well I was often coming up short.  While it's not pronounced with the group of balls that T is dealing with it's still there and it does make a difference.  This is why I'm a huge advocate of picking a brand/ball type and sticking with it for a while - that removes a variable - every ball performs just a bit differently and certainly everyone sounds and feels different.

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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If you want the ball to stop dead through the bag, spend your summers in Florida.

 

In all seriousness when I was younger I would always go with balata when I played in tournaments and less expensive balls when I did not.  I thought of myself as a bit of a choker because my performance wasn't up to par whenever I played tournament golf.  Well big surprise there - isn't of rolling out 5-10 feet I was sucking it back a few feet, sometimes more - even if I hit it well I was often coming up short.  While it's not pronounced with the group of balls that T is dealing with it's still there and it does make a difference.  This is why I'm a huge advocate of picking a brand/ball type and sticking with it for a while - that removes a variable - every ball performs just a bit differently and certainly everyone sounds and feels different.

While that's obviously true for the single digit players who HAVE consistency, it may be even more applicable to those of us that are trying to get consistency.

 

Whether it's a difference off the driver, the short game, or putting on the green, changing the ball is often the biggest variable we put into play.

 

The ONE thing we CAN control on every hole, is the ball we use.

 

I'm as guilty as anyone, from changing that variable more than I should.

 

Of course, I'm not always as smart as I'd like to be...

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I think I'll be switching over to the regular zstar. More feel off the irons and wedges greens without really sacrificing anything off the driver

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This continues to be a fascinating experiment for me. 

 

Certainly there is some disagreement within the industry about what the right way to find the best ball for your game is. Bridgestone as you know starts with a launch monitor (and the driver) and then makes recommendations based on what they see there.

Dean Snell has talked about 150 yards and in, and while that aligns fairly well with the Titleist philosophy, in general they suggest you need to go out and play the ball from basically everywhere. Snell says most tour balls are the same with the driver, Bridgestone says there can be substantial differences.

 

So where is the line between marketing and reality?

 

Here's what I've personally discovered, or I suppose, here's what's true for me.

 

Off the driver most balls perform similarly. That said, there is some variance. Again, prefaced with for me, the Nike Vapor Black is longer. It's not too surprising given I've found that it spins less on shots where I might want it to spin more. The Callaway Chrome Soft is shorter for me. It's a bit surprising given the number of guys who have told me that it's longer for them.

 

Maybe they're seeing what they want to see...maybe it's me...

 

The other balls (330, 330-X, ZSTAR XV, ProV1 X, My Tour Ball) of the tee it's a push.

 

What about the ZStar the ProV1, RZN Platinum, and the TaylorMade trio (you may find yourself asking)?

 

In the case of the TaylorMade balls...with new models are due very soon, I'm holding off. There's little point in testing a deprecated ball. The RZN Platinum...it just feels weird. It's unique.

 

As far as the ProV1 and ZStar go...in both cases, I'm particularly fond of the X version, and so forcing myself to try the other ball is a bit challenging.

 

Both hold their own off the tee, and mid-iron performance is relatively consistent for me across the board. Where I notice differences is with my hybrids (205-225 yards), and from 145 or so (9-iron) and in. 

 

You probably seen that hybrid control is all the range this season. The idea is that perhaps we should think of hybrids less as distance clubs, and more as scoring clubs. To that end - and my preference really - is for a ball that helps minimize roll on long shots. It's not just about holding greens, but about landing soft. It's the difference between stopping within a few pace of where it lands, and rolling to the back.

 

Now certainly there are conditions...low trajectory shots, greens that slope from front to back, elevation changes, etc., where no ball is going to hit and stop, but for what you might call a normal shot, I want the ball that lands and stops quickly.

 

The other area where I notice big differences is 9 iron range and in. Again...land and stop, land and spin back (a little). One or the other and be consistent. What's perhaps interesting is that what works with the hybrid also works very well here (perhaps strange because I don't find much difference off the middle irons).

Finally, I see HUGE differences on little chips around the green. Here's an area where feet matter more than anywhere else on the golf course, and I find some balls I can can easily get to skip and check and others simply roll farther. I don't like that. 

 

Some guys like the roll...there's an element of personal preference in how we play the game that dictates what the right ball for each of us is.

 

I happened upon this tweet from Titleist (quoting Web Simpson) that sums up how I feel about the ball.

 

 
Basically, I want a ball that can be counted on to do what I want it to do more often that not.
 
While I'm not done testing by any stretch, so far the balls that do that for me are the ProV1x, the ZStar XV, and to a slightly lesser extent, the Snell My Tour Ball. It will be interesting to see how the new TaylorMade offerings stack up, and what comes from the standard ZStar and ProV1 when I can bring myself to spend more time with each.

 

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Basically, I want a ball that can be counted on to do what I want it to do more often that not.
 

 

 

While you're at it, you should test every ball in a box, to see how much each ball out of the same box differs. lol

 

 

 

In a related note, I got tired of losing balls in leaves, so I bought 2 dozen MG C4s for $40...........damn, it's a good ball.

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T have you looked into the MG Tour C4? I've been rotating between the Snell My Tour Ball and the C4 and have thoroughly been impressed by it.

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