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regardless of the cost, I just got my irons bent yesterday.   It's funny because I need my Mizuno irons (MP H4) bent 3 degrees flatter.  And the staff could only bend it 2 degree flatter.   He said he couldn't bend it more than 2 degrees after trying.   My mizunos are grain flow forged.

 

That's interesting... Just bent a buddies (like I said, try getting your money back from buying a bending machine lol) but just bent his MP-54 or MP-64 four and five degrees NO PROBLEM. They were about 2-3* up and he wanted them 2* flat. Most forged irons are a dream to bend.

 

13 years ago I spent a week with Ron Gring, Daphne Alabama iirc, and while I was there he had me work as an asset to help him fit people and showed me how to bend clubs. First one I ever did was for practice. He had me take a vokey (brand new) and bend it in 1* increments until it snapped. I think it started spider webbing at 5-6* and went to about 8 or 9*! Who knows, could've been less, could've been more, you know how those fish tales work- as you get older they get grander! Ha! Maybe I'll do it again to see.

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You think forged are great to bend, find an older BeCu Eye2 to bend. You could do it one handed I believe

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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That's interesting... Just bent a buddies (like I said, try getting your money back from buying a bending machine lol) but just bent his MP-54 or MP-64 four and five degrees NO PROBLEM. They were about 2-3* up and he wanted them 2* flat. Most forged irons are a dream to bend.

 

13 years ago I spent a week with Ron Gring, Daphne Alabama iirc, and while I was there he had me work as an asset to help him fit people and showed me how to bend clubs. First one I ever did was for practice. He had me take a vokey (brand new) and bend it in 1* increments until it snapped. I think it started spider webbing at 5-6* and went to about 8 or 9*! Who knows, could've been less, could've been more, you know how those fish tales work- as you get older they get grander! Ha! Maybe I'll do it again to see.

 

The MP-H4 has a thicker sole and the long irons are shovels.  They are more like hybrids than irons (hollow body).  That could be the reason they are not easily bent.   The short irons are ok but I don't want different lie angle progression from long irons to short irons.  all bent 2 degrees flatter.  I have yet to hit them yet.  I will go to a range on Friday. 

 

Also this is unsual because I have an average height (5'10") and about standard wrist to floor measurements (90 cm?).  All my previous irons are all standard lie angle.  This is the first time I have to bend my irons flatter. 

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The MP-H4 has a thicker sole and the long irons are shovels.  They are more like hybrids than irons (hollow body).  That could be the reason they are not easily bent.   The short irons are ok but I don't want different lie angle progression from long irons to short irons.  all bent 2 degrees flatter.  I have yet to hit them yet.  I will go to a range on Friday. 

 

Also this is unsual because I have an average height (5'10") and about standard wrist to floor measurements (90 cm?).  All my previous irons are all standard lie angle.  This is the first time I have to bend my irons flatter. 

Unless they have unusually short hosels, I don't see why they couldn't bend them more.  Course their policy may be 2 degrees either direction as a max (I know lots of places are like that).  The good news is you could always shorten a half inch and make up that 3rd degree.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Aren't mizuno's irons come standard 1* upright compared to industry standard.

There really aren't any industry standards for anything, so... If comparing lie angles you'd probably have to compare like categories- GI, SGI, etc. to know.

 

I do know that they come 1/4" short of standard, that is only if you consider industry standard a 38" five iron.

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Lie angles are a giant pain in the a** from what I've experienced and learned about. Nothing is standard. So just because you order a set of irons from a manufacturer that are let's say 2* upright doesn't mean they're all 2* upright. Each manufacturer has different standards and then after that they have "acceptable tolerances". So even if you order a set of irons that have the standard lie from a manufacturer you may not necessarily get a set of irons that all match their "standard" lie angle. It probably won't be noticeable to most players, but I also have self-diagnosed OCD. Same thing goes for lofts which is why I'd like to eventually buy my own equipment and do it myself.

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Driver -  :taylormade-small: M1 9.5* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 70X

Fairway -   :taylormade-small: M1 5W 19* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 70X

Hybrids -   :ping-small: G25 4H 23*

Irons -  :mizuno-small: JPX 850 Forged 4-PW w/ Nippon N.S. Pro 1150S

Wedges - :mizuno-small: S5 50*07, 54*12, 58*12 w/ Nippon N.S. Pro 1150S

Putter - Oddyssey Metal-X #7 w/ SuperStroke Pistol GT 2.0

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Lie angles are a giant pain in the a** from what I've experienced and learned about. Nothing is standard. So just because you order a set of irons from a manufacturer that are let's say 2* upright doesn't mean they're all 2* upright. Each manufacturer has different standards and then after that they have "acceptable tolerances". So even if you order a set of irons that have the standard lie from a manufacturer you may not necessarily get a set of irons that all match their "standard" lie angle. It probably won't be noticeable to most players, but I also have self-diagnosed OCD. Same thing goes for lofts which is why I'd like to eventually buy my own equipment and do it myself.

That's one reason I bought a loft lie machine as well.  And if I'm ordering irons, I specify specific lie angles, not just say 2 degrees upright, usually.  That or tell them to just send them standard and bend them myself.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Related question, it's my understanding that some companies make all irons to their neutral and then bend where as others actually make lies to spec. Is that true and if so does it really matter.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Related question, it's my understanding that some companies make all irons to their neutral and then bend where as others actually make lies to spec. Is that true and if so does it really matter.

It's nearly impossible to make any iron to an exact spec therefore most (if not all) OEM's adjust their irons into a tolerance that most of us mortals can use. How each OEM delivers this level of tolerance is ultimately variable - +/- 1 degree is usually acceptable, but any other level of sorting to tolerance is passed onto the end user. In other words if you really want a set "blueprinted" to spec, then you pay for the privilege, otherwise your $1000 retail set would cost $1500. 

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They make them to tolerance. You can't cast any head to exact spec nor forge them to that specific spec. They come out of the mold within tolerance.

 

There's actually a very long an informative post on WRX by Tom Wishon about if.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Related question, it's my understanding that some companies make all irons to their neutral and then bend where as others actually make lies to spec. Is that true and if so does it really matter.

Yes that is true Rev. They all have them created to spec (within variance or tolerance) and only bend at factory for extreme cases. Callaway will fill their top line a certain color, ping has their color code, all determining which lie is which.

 

This does matter. Metal when bent will always try and return to its original form. So if you buy standard and bend three degrees over time it will try on its own to go back to standard.

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Thanks gentlemen. I learned a couple of things here.

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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We offer the service at $20 for testing of each club and $5 for loft and lie adjustment for each club. south of Columbus

Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg ACCRA tour Z GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed

Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers

Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce

Putter - 33" 3 deg loft 70 lie, lrg slight line slightly toe hang

Ball - truvis

Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD.

HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio.

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Related question, it's my understanding that some companies make all irons to their neutral and then bend where as others actually make lies to spec. Is that true and if so does it really matter.

While being in school I'm lucky enough to "work" at a golf shop. The biggest surprise to me has been the how far off (like variations in lie angle, loft, length, etc.) clubs can be straight from any major company. I've had guys order clubs 2* upright, and SOMETIMES the clubs will range from a few degrees flat to more upright than the customer wanted. So I always tell the guys that come in that really care about their specs to have the clubs checked just to make sure everything is correct.

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Driver:  :ping-small: G30 9*

 

Irons:  :callaway-small:  X-Forged 3-PW

 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX 2.0 52*

                :ping-small:  Glide 58*

 

Putter:   :taylormade-small: Itsy-Bitsy Spider

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While being in school I'm lucky enough to "work" at a golf shop. The biggest surprise to me has been the how far off (like variations in lie angle, loft, length, etc.) clubs can be straight from any major company. I've had guys order clubs 2* upright, and SOMETIMES the clubs will range from a few degrees flat to more upright than the customer wanted. So I always tell the guys that come in that really care about their specs to have the clubs checked just to make sure everything is correct.

I've noticed the varience in specs isn't just between OEMs and between sets of clubs, but differences both "flat" & "upright" WITHIN a set.  The only way to ensure you have consistency is to have a written copy of your loft/lie/length and have each and every club checked and adjusted to your personal specs.

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What's In The Bag

Driver :titelist-small:

Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R

Fairway Wood

Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A

Hybrid  :cleveland-small: Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue

Irons  :ping-small: G series 5-P

Wedges :ping-small:Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53*

Putter     :nike-small: Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35"

Ball

Master Grip Tour C4

Bag

Datrek DG Lite  

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My one major gripe about loft/lie and demo/fitting carts?  How often are those demos checked to be on spec?  If they're not on spec then what's to say they're correct for you?  I've never gotten that dynamic of trying a demo and ordering based on the demo then taking clubs to play.  I have and will always prefer to bend the club I'm actually going to be using versus using a fitting cart.

In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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My one major gripe about loft/lie and demo/fitting carts? How often are those demos checked to be on spec? If they're not on spec then what's to say they're correct for you? I've never gotten that dynamic of trying a demo and ordering based on the demo then taking clubs to play. I have and will always prefer to bend the club I'm actually going to be using versus using a fitting cart.

Mizuno carts have a specific head that is used for fitting lie only.
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Just thought I'd chime in.  

 

Like Rookie, I've been amazed at how far off stated spec new sets have been, but then I have my own clubs checked and bent about twice a year cause they move so much.   Out of 9 clubs, 2 or 3 are always tweaked.   Usually the wedges.   They simply move and change.   Sometimes I can see and feel it.  I've taken clubs in and said to the guy "This is 1 degree flat, but it should be 1 degree up" and been right.   Nothing moved easier than my old Ping ISI nickels.  You breathed on them they bent.   My wife could bend them in her hands.

 

That said, on the spot BENDING IS FREE in all the Uinta Golf shops in Utah, so I'd blanche at the $9 price.   Just a service feature they introduced to get your business.   Once they intro'd that policy, I abandoned my desire for a Mitchell.

bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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