apprenti23 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Full story here: http://www.cbssports.com/golf/eye-on-golf/25231269/donald-trump-let-golf-be-elitist Don't really want this to turn into a political battle, but I don't see how it can't so hopefully we can keep it civil. I'm not a huge Trump fan; although I do respect him, and I do like his daughter, Ivanka (smokeshow). What many don't know is that Trump went bankrupt multiple times and persevered to build his huge enterprise. He is a go-getter and his confidence is almost hilarious to the point you'd think him an idiot. Trump is a huge golf fan, although if you read the article he feels it should only be enjoyed by the rich. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbealsd Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Trump is quite the attention getter No doubt, he evokes strong emotions and that's a huge part of his success. Love him, or hate him, he'll make you notice him. Will he win the GOP nomination? Unlikely. That said, he WILL be a factor in driving the issues and direction of the debates and primary campaigns. IMHO, that's probably a good thing. It will bring more attention to the early debates and provide more exposure to ALL the candidates in the field, and that's good for everyone that's interested in politics, regardless of your political views. What's In the Bag Driver - GBB Hybrids Halo XL Halo 18* & T-Rail 20* Irons T-Rail 2.0 Wedges 60* TS / SCOR 48* 53* 58* Putter Ball Bag Datrek DG Lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 If we could succeed in making politics civil we should rule the world. The beauty if my job is tha I have no choice. I serve people regardless of what they say, do or believe and because I serve them, I love them. In regards to Trump on golf there was certainly a time when this was the case, golf was for the elite only. It's not now though. Golf costs some money but think about it, it is within lots of people's means as a form of entertainment. You can buy a cheap set of clubs on eBay for a couple of hundred dollars, take group lessons at a local muni that will teach you the basics and in most places you can find somewhere to play for under $30. I would think that you could play golf for about the same amount of annual lay out as it would cost to be a gamer. There are plenty of clubs in the metro NYC area that are for the elite and their entourages. That's fine and the Donald certainly is free to build more if he would like. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I have played his courses in NY, NJ and FL and they are nice but not really for the elitist these days. Trump National in Westchester opened with a $250k equity buy in and $50k a year in dues. I got offered a package to join with zero buy in and about $20k a year in dues and fees. That is a fairly steep drop off over a five year period. Fact of the matter is Trump is always hurting for cash and liquidity personally and with many of his companies. Trump has not personally filed for bankruptcy, although close in the real estate crash in 1990, but his casino holding company has filed four times. After the fourth filing he was required to relinquish control of the company and has only had a personal services contract with the properties in AC (he sold all other holdings). My father in law worked directly for him years ago and well let's just say he is not a Donald fan. I have played golf with him and think he is.....well not my brand. WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Rens Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Huge golf fans do not make statements like that! There's simply no other sport embraced and loved so passionately by rich and poor, men and women alike in the world. By the way, if your venue is the host of a PGA Tour event, it does not mean you run the events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Trump is a huge golf fan, although if you read the article he feels it should only be enjoyed by the rich. I'm a huge golf fan too. To Trump I say.... F*** YOU! on that particular subject. If he were to somehow win the nomination (highly unlikely) I would vote for him. He is what this country needs "right now" to get it back on track. I voted for Perot for the same reason. That's as political as I'm going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 You have to wonder what Trump is thinking lately. Clearly he doesnt REALLY want to be POTUS. As for golf being for the elite, thats probably not whats best for golf in the long term. Golf is already losing players and making it elite and making it something that only rich people can afford isnt whats best for growing the game. You have to wonder too why Trump would care. I mean, its not as if he is playing on munis anyways. You know that he always plays on either courses that he owns, or on luxury resort courses with his rich buddies. His comments about them teaching golf to people who will never really be able to play it I found interesting too. Id bet that I and most people who are on this forum play more golf than Mr Trump does and probably could beat him in match play. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY ZINGER Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The problem is, Trump is right with most of what he says. It's not always politically correct so it becomes manufacturered taboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 What many don't know is that Trump went bankrupt multiple times and persevered to build his huge enterprise. He is a go-getter and his confidence is almost hilarious to the point you'd think him an idiot. I believe that Trump filed for bankruptcy on his businesses but never filed personal bankruptcy. Its actually not as uncommon as you think. Theres lots of companies that do it as a way to get free of their debt, even though you could argue that they dont really need to do so. It is a business tactic though. It does kind of make laugh when people say theyd vote for Trump because he knows what it takes to run a successful business, so he'd know how to run this country. I'll give Trump that he isnt afraid to take risks in business but Im not sure I want him taking the same kind of risks with this country. Unlike businesses, countries cant just declare bankruptcy to escape their debt. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apprenti23 Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 The problem is, Trump is right with most of what he says. It's not always politically correct so it becomes manufacturered taboo. You either love him or hate him, but you always know exactly how he feels on a subject, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The problem is, Trump is right with most of what he says. It's not always politically correct so it becomes manufacturered taboo. You could argue though that because he is the rich elite, he has no concept of how the common man lives and how to make their lives better. Yes, he's right on some fronts but a lot of what he says are half truths. He speaks of illegal immigration yet do you honestly believe that he doesnt employee illegal immigrants to work in his hotels? His views on immigration arent anything new but like others before him, it glosses over the realities of present day. If you depot them, theyre just going to cross the border again in a few days, not to mention they do a lot of jobs that most Americans would refuse to do. Now, some people have said that we should put up a fence on the border and employ the National Guard to shoot anyone who tries to cross but whose going to pay for all that? In the end, youre wasting a lot of money to accomplish nothing. If it were as simple as Mr Trump tries to make it out to be, we would have solved our immigration problems in this country by now. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The problem is, Trump is right with most of what he says. It's not always politically correct so it becomes manufacturered taboo. You could argue though that because he is the rich elite, he has no concept of how the common man lives and how to make their lives better. Yes, he's right on some fronts but a lot of what he says are half truths. He speaks of illegal immigration yet do you honestly believe that he doesnt employee illegal immigrants to work in his hotels? His views on immigration arent anything new but like others before him, it glosses over the realities of present day. If you depot them, theyre just going to cross the border again in a few days, not to mention they do a lot of jobs that most Americans would refuse to do. Now, some people have said that we should put up a fence on the border and employ the National Guard to shoot anyone who tries to cross but whose going to pay for all that? In the end, youre wasting a lot of money to accomplish nothing. If it were as simple as Mr Trump tries to make it out to be, we would have solved our immigration problems in this country by now. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The problem is, Trump is right with most of what he says. It's not always politically correct so it becomes manufacturered taboo. Agreed, but he's wrong on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireinthehole Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think with the money he supposedly has he should find a Surgeon to remove his head from his posterior. What burns me; aside from his announcement speech diatribe, is his insistence of being self made. Inheriting your father's company and allegedly 200 mil inheritance , kind of makes that impossible. As far as golf, it seems his feeling of exclusion in other areas has spilled over. I wonder how long it'll be until the commoners have to bail out his company after they declare bankruptcy... My Mixed-Bag: Driver: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x Fairway: Still looking! Irons: MP-18 MB 4-PW Wedges: Miura K Grinds Putter: Evnroll 1.2 blade Ball: Z star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizuno_lover Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Ahhhh Donald "The Dick"! Yes Donald, make it elitist and send all those hard working small businesses that make an honest living out of the game broke. Make it so that the moms and dads who spend their hard earned disposable income to enjoy themselves after a hard week at work making you your millions, make it unaffordable for them. Oh and while your at it if you get elected President make sure you send all the poorer people off to fight your elitist wars for you. All I can add to that is that you are a dick pal and heaven protect us from elitist NAZI pricks like you who we beat in WW2 coz we'll beat you again if we have to. Not that I have much of an opinion on the matter My Bag Driver: G25 Stiff shaft3 Wood: JPX 850 16 degree. Fujikara Orichi 65 gram stiff shaftHybrids: 3 & 4 JPX 850 Fujikara Orichi 65 gram regular shaftsIrons: MP- H5 3 - 6 iron dynamic gold XP 115 gram stiff soft steppedIrons: MP 54 4 - PW dynamic gold S300Wedges: MP T4 52 degree, 56 degree 10 degree bounce, 60 degree 10 degree bounce.Putter: ZB S Evil prospers when good men do nothing. Honorary member Texas BBQ Curtin Circa 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 You either love him or hate him, but you always know exactly how he feels on a subject, don't you? With all due respect I don't know if that's the case. Whenever someone is so outspoken one wonders if he is outspoken for being outspoken's sake. He's a great capitalist (meant positivel). Trump is about making money. His primary asset has become his outspokenness. He must continually cultivate that asset to keep his brand relevant. I just don't know whether anything he says publicly can be believed. That's not good for him in regards to running for office because I'm the type of voter he needs. Assuming he can garner his party's nominee nation which is highly unlikely. He is today's PT Barnum though. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I'm not a fan of the man as a person. I respect his business acumen. Do I think he would make a good President? Not really. I do think he is a mover and a shaker....something this country desperately needs right now. Maybe he can be the agitator that gets this lazy, do nothing, all for themselves Congress to move their collective asses and get something accomplished. If nothing else, I love his lack of PC bullsh*t. He tells it like it is.... no sugar coating. If some people are offended, that's a good thing. More people need to be offended.... the truth hurts. This country is a on fast track to demise. Something or someone needs to wake people up before it's too late... if it isn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvman Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I wish Gary Player was the president of golf worldwide. I don't think I've heard him say anything about golf that I disagreed with. He was spot on about Chambers Bay and making golf fun for the masses. I STRONGLY disagree with Trump on the elitist talk. I'm cool with private clubs, but public courses should be Amateur Hacker friendly and affordable. Golf does not have to be expensive. And I wish the PGA put out a separate Rules of Golf edition for amateurs who don't follow all the silly rules anyway on these beat up public courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireinthehole Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I wish Gary Player was the president of golf worldwide. I don't think I've heard him say anything about golf that I disagreed with. He was spot on about Chambers Bay and making golf fun for the masses. I STRONGLY disagree with Trump on the elitist talk. I'm cool with private clubs, but public courses should be Amateur Hacker friendly and affordable. Golf does not have to be expensive. And I wish the PGA put out a separate Rules of Golf edition for amateurs who don't follow all the silly rules anyway on these beat up public courses. Especially at the public course here in my town that floods for 2-3 weeks in the spring and the fall. Has no sand in bunkers and the slowest & bumpiest greens around. Which they had a $175 for 3 years of membership deal I jumped on. Played enough the first month to never go back and get my money's worth My Mixed-Bag: Driver: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x Fairway: Still looking! Irons: MP-18 MB 4-PW Wedges: Miura K Grinds Putter: Evnroll 1.2 blade Ball: Z star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Pareto principle. I think that what Trump subscribes to as a businessman. 80% of sales-profit comes from 20%. So he would rather concentrate on making $130 from the guy paying $200 on his upscale course or like some putter makers making $400 off a $80 putter than $20 in volume from the guy paying $42. Only the elite have the disposable income for that to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Rens Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 So much for the elitist...... Trump's golf enterprise is the latest casualty in the backlash over his controversial comments about Mexican immigrants! http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/07/politics/donald-trump-pga-split-after-mexican-comments/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apprenti23 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 So much for the elitist...... Trump's golf enterprise is the latest casualty in the backlash over his controversial comments about Mexican immigrants! http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/07/politics/donald-trump-pga-split-after-mexican-comments/ Lots of people, especially democrats/supporters seem worried and nervous about The Donald. Should be one heck of a campaign if he's serious about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Rens Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Lots of people, especially democrats/supporters seem worried and nervous about The Donald. Should be one heck of a campaign if he's serious about it! Agree with you! I just don't like the statement he made as I believe golf is for all, so is tennis and all other sport. There are some courses not allowing my disabled friend to play - tired of this BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Agree with you! I just don't like the statement he made as I believe golf is for all, so is tennis and all other sport. There are some courses not allowing my disabled friend to play - tired of this BS Where is that?! What's his handicap? In all of my travels, I have never seen a course that didn't allow disabled golfers to play. I am not even sure that is legal. Most courses allow carts to go up by greens when they are equipped with a special flag. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Rens Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Kenny, that is the reason why we did not even mentioned it when we did the bookings, also thought all courses allow disabled golfers, but unfortunately not when you are in a wheelchair. As he will say "my handicap is my wheelchair" - 17 and always play from the front tees. We went to Ireland and 2 courses refused to let him play, so did one in England and one in Spain. Wrote a letter to the local governing bodies - 8 years later and no rely. We made a lovely video with great music of disabled golfers which we presented to sponsors. I will find out how to take some content out and then post it in this forum, I am sure a lot of guys will love to see how these guys enjoy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I would love to see it! “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdiddyesquire Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I worked over a decade in establishment Republican politics in Washington DC..... Donald won't get an ounce of support from the establishment. And, for better or worse, the establishment candidate is who the GOP elects every single time, without fail. -Justin- @jdiddyesquire Driver - Speedline Super LS 9.5*, Matrix Red Tie 6Q3 X stiff3 Wood - Tour Edge Exotics CB4 Tour 13*, Aldila NV Protopype 80X Irons - 3-PW rac LT, KBS Tour XWedges - MP-T4, 50.6, 56.14, 60.5Putter - Odyssey White Hot Pro Rossie Bag: Daltrek Carry-Lite Stand Bag Shoes: Lunar Swingtip Suede Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireinthehole Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I worked over a decade in establishment Republican politics in Washington DC..... Donald won't get an ounce of support from the establishment. And, for better or worse, the establishment candidate is who the GOP elects every single time, without fail. THIS^^^. I can't believe how much whining I have heard regarding his loss of tv shows and PGA events. Ramblings about "Free speech" etc. Um yeah, the constitution prohibits governments encroachment on free speech, it does not prohibit private entities from wanting to distance themselves from people who tarnish their image or bottom line. My Mixed-Bag: Driver: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x Fairway: Still looking! Irons: MP-18 MB 4-PW Wedges: Miura K Grinds Putter: Evnroll 1.2 blade Ball: Z star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banacek303 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If it were up to me, I'd ban Combovers on the course. Monster Golf Swing : http://bit.ly/1KjNRcW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbealsd Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I worked over a decade in establishment Republican politics in Washington DC..... Donald won't get an ounce of support from the establishment. And, for better or worse, the establishment candidate is who the GOP elects every single time, without fail. FWIW, I agree with you to a point and wasn't really following this thread since I don't generally mix golf with politics. That said, the longer this plays out and with the popularity of the "Outsiders" that shows wide based popular support across all demos in the crosstabs of the polls, I think we're witnessing a pretty large scale rebellion against "The Party Establishment." That's true with both parties, as the rise of Sanders demonstrates the split on the Democrat side. IMHO, these polls reflect wide spread dissatisfaction with the "political elite" across the board and conventional wisdom may not be predictive. If either party "force feeds" their "anointed" candidate onto the ticket, they may very well cripple their chances to win the general election. FWIW, I'm a member of my State Central Committee and there's very little support for the assumed "establishment" nominee among state and county delegates. When it comes time to get out the vote with volunteers for phone banks, literature drops, rallies, etc., they're not going to show up, if there's a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket. I'm not predicting either Trump or Sanders will last through the primaries, but they're symptoms of the party splits, not the cause. As Howard Beale said in the movie Network, voters are saying, "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" What's In the Bag Driver - GBB Hybrids Halo XL Halo 18* & T-Rail 20* Irons T-Rail 2.0 Wedges 60* TS / SCOR 48* 53* 58* Putter Ball Bag Datrek DG Lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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