Maverickping Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Curious, is anyone using one in their putter (s) ? I have a Matrix in one of mine and like it, feels a little smoother (if that makes sense in my stroke). Not 100% certain if it justifies the increase in cost. Looks nice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Never really gave it any thought Maverick, always played the steel.......what advantages are there to graphite putters? Is it a smoother stroke? Quote Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverickping Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 It feels smoother and there appears to be a little bit better feedback. Just not certain whether it justifies the $150.00 that they cost. But, a friend of mine (Accra) has graphite shafts for putters in his line now and will be going to try them out for a putter I am thinking about. I used to have blond hair (now going gray/white), that might be where the real confusion begins fozcycle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 There are quite a few guys on WRX touting them. Personally I never have experimented with them. Now if you wanted to experiment depending on the brand and style of putter there is a low cost altetnative . Go to the thrift stores or yard sales and buy an in expensive club with a graphite shaft and try it. Make sure the putter takes a .370 shaft and your donor iron is 370 also. wbealsd and fozcycle 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverickping Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks Stu, I will be going to see my friends at Modern Golf (who helped in the process of the Accra shaft) and will test them out when the new LH Miura putters become available. There is one Miura LH now but it is 363 grams and the one I'm interested in (350-353 gram head) will be available in roughly 2-3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverickping Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 From (leading) the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open using an Accra putter shaft. I don't know, there might just be something to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverickping Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 From (leading) the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open using an Accra putter shaft. I don't know, there might just be something to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golffit Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I have to imagine that with modern balls and inserts its pretty tough to tell the difference in a blind comparison. I have a softer flex shaft in my Edel and would not rule out graphite if the tests backed it up. Any statistical benefit can only help your mental game! Quote Irons Wedges (DVR grind) Putter Krank Driver w/ Fujikura Speeder tour spec x-flex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I like the Fujikura PT-110. It's a smooth shaft. Reduces audible feedback well if you have a harsh putter (such as a fine milled as opposed to a deep milled putter). Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I've got one putter with a graphite shaft--a Frankly Frog. I've got two putters with hickory shafts--a Callaway Little Poison III and a Tad Moore Chicopee. The other guilty parties--and that's what all of my putters are--have steel shafts and are usually the only steel shafted club in my bag. If shaft material is important in a putter, I've never been a good enough rock roller to discern that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted November 17, 2015 SPY VIP Share Posted November 17, 2015 Curious about this one as well. Something shafted with a Matrix shaft has been on my to do list for a while. Had an Edel with the UST Frequency Filtered shaft and that one definitely had a different feel. Good different, I'd say, but didn't game/keep it long enough to know for sure. #putterho Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Maybe someone could explain to me what the difference is between a steel and graphite putter shaft. I can understand light vs heavy weight difference, but if you use a heavy weight graphite that is similar to steel weight, what's the difference in playability? Looks, I can understand but smoother doesn't make any sense to me. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Graphite is better at dampening vibrations. It makes the putter sound quieter which most people equate to feel. Sound and feel are the same thing. You can accomplish the same thing with a thicker grip or deep milling or a sound slot. If you have a fine milled putter, graphite will make it "feel" softer by quieting the sound down because it dampens vibrations more Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I understand dampening vibrations; it's one of the reasons I went to graphite in my irons years ago. But I hardly put enough force on a putt that, if hit in the middle of the clubface, I would feel any difference. Maybe on a 50 footer. Yes, I can tell the difference in sound between milled faces and inserts, although my hearing is getting worse each year but to me that doesn't translate to feel. I do prefer deep miled putter faces. If I went to a graphite shaft, it would have to be free. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I understand dampening vibrations; it's one of the reasons I went to graphite in my irons years ago. But I hardly put enough force on a putt that, if hit in the middle of the clubface, I would feel any difference. Maybe on a 50 footer. Yes, I can tell the difference in sound between milled faces and inserts, although my hearing is getting worse each year but to me that doesn't translate to feel. I do prefer deep miled putter faces. If I went to a graphite shaft, it would have to be free. Sound and feel are one in the same. Put in some ear plugs and hit putts with 2 identical putters, one fly milled and one deep milled and if you didn't look at the faces you wouldn't be able to tell which was which. Graphite changes the audible pitch of a putter. That changes the "feel". Same with the frequency filtered. Same concept except it's only half graphite. It's much cheaper to swap in a graphite shaft than find someone to remill a putter face Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Graphite is better at dampening vibrations. It makes the putter sound quieter which most people equate to feel. Sound and feel are the same thing. You can accomplish the same thing with a thicker grip or deep milling or a sound slot. If you have a fine milled putter, graphite will make it "feel" softer by quieting the sound down because it dampens vibrations more My Giannini has a Pure Big Dog grip, deep milling and a sound slot which makes it one of the best "feeling" putters that I have ever rolled. It has been in my bag since the day it arrived and I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.....which is a big step for me. Although I don't think it will stop me from buying some new flatsticks over the winter. Quote WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I had a graphite shaft in a copper Nead Mini with a Salty grip on it. Good thing it was fine milled or it'd have felt even more soft than it did. Was already close to the mushy side Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Kicking this idea around, and so I thought I'd revive this old thread. With the ascendance of the Stroke Lab putters, along with the Stability shafts, UST Frequency Filtered shafts, and DeChambeau playing graphite in his putter, anyone else try just a graphite shaft in their putters? I understand that Stroke Lab, Stability, and UST are all multi-material. I just ordered a Gravity Grip, and I'm considering building it with graphite just to see if it makes any difference in feel and (especially) in my stroke. Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I think there's definitely something to these shafts. I gamed the Stroke Lab for 2 months before returning it because of the face insert. It definitely had a great balance to it. Just picked up a Spider X that has the KBS CT Tour shaft and while it's not graphite, it's feeling every bit as stable in the limited amount of practice I've had with it so far. The benefit of the CT Tour is that it's leaps and bounds cheaper because it is steel, but built with the same idea in mind. Might be a cheaper DIY experiment for you to try! But as we all know, curiosity will probably get the better of you later down the road and you'll have a graphite shaft eventually Taking the Spider X out tomorrow for the maiden voyage. PMookie, downlowkey and GolfSpy MPR 3 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Interesting, @yungkory. Is there some claims about what the KBS shaft is supposed to be doing? The description on their own website couldn't possibly be more generic: "The KBS CT Tour Putter Shaft is the first shaft for your putter to incorporate KBS Golf Shaft Technology into your game on the green." Translation: "The KBS putter shaft is—wait for it—a putter shaft that's made by KBS!" EDIT: I was looking at this as a cheap experiment option: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Graphite-Matrix-Kujoh-CFI-85g-Extra-Stiff-Flex-Iron-Shaft-40-370/202573802374 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Interesting, @yungkory. Is there some claims about what the KBS shaft is supposed to be doing? The description on their own website couldn't possibly be more generic: "The KBS CT Tour Putter Shaft is the first shaft for your putter to incorporate KBS Golf Shaft Technology into your game on the green." Translation: "The KBS putter shaft is—wait for it—a putter shaft that's made by KBS!" EDIT: I was looking at this as a cheap experiment option: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Graphite-Matrix-Kujoh-CFI-85g-Extra-Stiff-Flex-Iron-Shaft-40-370/202573802374 CONSTANT WEIGHT STIFFER STRUCTURE STIFFER TIP GolfSpy MPR and PMookie 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Kicking this idea around, and so I thought I'd revive this old thread. With the ascendance of the Stroke Lab putters, along with the Stability shafts, UST Frequency Filtered shafts, and DeChambeau playing graphite in his putter, anyone else try just a graphite shaft in their putters? I understand that Stroke Lab, Stability, and UST are all multi-material. I just ordered a Gravity Grip, and I'm considering building it with graphite just to see if it makes any difference in feel and (especially) in my stroke. I had a crappy old putter with a graphite shaft in it (still may be around in my attic somewhere). I liked the way the shaft felt, but the head was too light and I struggled quite a bit with long putts. I've wondered on occasion about getting another putter like that, but I'm happy with what I've got right now. I don't see a real need to change. GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Bumping this post yet again, because I'm thinking about (yet another) experiment. I just finished my off-season putter test, and the winner was my Odyssey EXO with my DIY Stroke Lab shaft. A putter that did well but not enough to finish on top was my new Frontline Elevado slant neck. Before the testing began, I put a Flat Cat Tek slim on the Elevado, and I think that was a mistake. The stock grip on the Frontlines is quite heavy (120g) and the Flat Cat is quite light (64g). Swapping the grips made the putter very head heavy, to the point that I really felt like I had to steer it through the stroke. So I want to tweak it a little more. I was considering building up another DIY Stroke Lab for it, and I still might. But let me ask this: can anyone suggest a reason that a steel tip section is going to perform differently than if I just went all graphite? The core advertised benefit of the Stroke Lab isn't stability; it's that the weight distribution to the grip and head (and out of the shaft) improves the stroke. I have a sneaky suspicion that the steel tip of the Stroke Lab has as much to do with aesthetics and advertising (Stroke Lab putters are immediately recognizable on Tour TV broadcasts) as it is performance. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Rickp and JohnSmalls 2 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 8:47 AM, GolfSpy MPR said: Bumping this post yet again, because I'm thinking about (yet another) experiment. I just finished my off-season putter test, and the winner was my Odyssey EXO with my DIY Stroke Lab shaft. A putter that did well but not enough to finish on top was my new Frontline Elevado slant neck. Before the testing began, I put a Flat Cat Tek slim on the Elevado, and I think that was a mistake. The stock grip on the Frontlines is quite heavy (120g) and the Flat Cat is quite light (64g). Swapping the grips made the putter very head heavy, to the point that I really felt like I had to steer it through the stroke. So I want to tweak it a little more. I was considering building up another DIY Stroke Lab for it, and I still might. But let me ask this: can anyone suggest a reason that a steel tip section is going to perform differently than if I just went all graphite? The core advertised benefit of the Stroke Lab isn't stability; it's that the weight distribution to the grip and head (and out of the shaft) improves the stroke. I have a sneaky suspicion that the steel tip of the Stroke Lab has as much to do with aesthetics and advertising (Stroke Lab putters are immediately recognizable on Tour TV broadcasts) as it is performance. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I would agree with this. Kinda like Bubba's bi matrix shaft. it stands out. they could have accomplished the same thing with an all graphite or all steel shaft right? JohnSmalls 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Ive owned a couple JDM putters that had graphite shafts, one a Mizuno and the other a Yamaha and they were OK. They were very light and didnt have a whole lot of feel though. I guess that I really dont see what the advantage to a graphite shaft in a putter would be. With the rest of the clubs, they are lighter and give you more clubhead speed but in putters thats not really the issue. I would think that steel would be better because it would make the club heavier and would make it easier to make a smooth, pendulum stroke. Kenny B 1 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, ZenGolfer said: I would think that steel would be better because it would make the club heavier and would make it easier to make a smooth, pendulum stroke. High total weight isn't always ideal. This has been the trend in the industry and as heads have gotten heavier people started counterbalancing to get back proper feel. The problem is that the higher weight will influence the stroke and potentially make it worse. Most people assume heavier leads to smoother which isn't always the cases. The idea behind stroke lab is to lighten total weight and use graphite to distribute weight to the head and grip to give that same feel. GolfSpy MPR, tony@CIC, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 15 hours ago, cnosil said: High total weight isn't always ideal. This has been the trend in the industry and as heads have gotten heavier people started counterbalancing to get back proper feel. The problem is that the higher weight will influence the stroke and potentially make it worse. Most people assume heavier leads to smoother which isn't always the cases. The idea behind stroke lab is to lighten total weight and use graphite to distribute weight to the head and grip to give that same feel. Low total weight isn't ideal either. One of the first putters I ever had was made by a local company no longer in business. Looked very pretty... brass head and red/black graphite shaft, but it was so light, I couldn't control my stroke. I moved on to the Heavy Putter and had a lot of success keeping the head square at impact. That led to my Ping Sigma G Doon with a 400g head and counterbalance... perfect! I tried every putter with head weights 340-370g and nothing felt right and results were atrocious. We are all so different!!! GolfSpy MPR, cnosil, downlowkey and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 20 hours ago, cnosil said: High total weight isn't always ideal. This has been the trend in the industry and as heads have gotten heavier people started counterbalancing to get back proper feel. The problem is that the higher weight will influence the stroke and potentially make it worse. Most people assume heavier leads to smoother which isn't always the cases. The idea behind stroke lab is to lighten total weight and use graphite to distribute weight to the head and grip to give that same feel. Im not sure that I agree with you on the Stroke Lab. It isnt so much that they made it lighter as they made the head a little heavier, removed a lot of weight from the shaft but made it stiffer and added weight to the grip to counterbalance it. In some ways, they made it even more head heavy that putters traditionally are. IMO, much of the magic in Stroke Lab is in the stiffer shaft. Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Some very successful puttees have used very light putters. Crenshaw, Faxon and Tiger. I would venture a guess that Tiger's putter is the lightest on tour. One thing they all have in common is incredible feel. Something us mere mortals don't have. As with everything YMMV. JohnSmalls and cnosil 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, ZenGolfer said: Im not sure that I agree with you on the Stroke Lab. It isnt so much that they made it lighter as they made the head a little heavier, removed a lot of weight from the shaft but made it stiffer and added weight to the grip to counterbalance it. In some ways, they made it even more head heavy that putters traditionally are. IMO, much of the magic in Stroke Lab is in the stiffer shaft. Does Odyssey claim any stability/stiffness benefits to the Stroke Lab shaft? All I recall when I looked it up is that they said that the weight distribution promoted a better stroke. Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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