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Posted this already in the PTx iron forum but thought I would start a new thread for the hybrids (I don't know if this is good forum etiquette). I am in the market for a new one and the offerings from Hogan look really interesting. Love the design.

 

http://www.benhogangolf.com/hybrid

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That's a sweet looking hybrid. I like the weight adjustability. Looks very Adams-ish, I read somewhere in MGS that some Adams people went to Hogan. I'd definitely give it a go, only issue is actually testing it on grass, not sure where retailers/fitters are.

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Hybrid:  :cobra-small: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+

Irons:   :srixon-small: z585 4i - 6i,  z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX  50.11, 55.11, 60.10  TT DG S400 Black

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The idea pro that looks like this new one from BH is quite possibly one of the best hybrids ever made IMO. It looks like they've done a great job at updating and improving upon that head. Should perform extremely well!

I loved that hybrid only got rid of it because the shaft became too stiff for me. In fact my kid has the 20 in his bag still and kills it. This hybrid just made my list of must try clubs and its a short list.

 

Thanks for the thread chemclub!

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Has anyone found any info on price. The website talks about a new HybridFit web app but it doesn't look like it is up yet either.

 

I wonder if BH has plans to launch a line of driver/fairway woods? Terry Koehler is a wedge guy so it seems natural natural for them to sit in the "iron" space. I also feel like there are so many driver companies out there do we really need another 'me too'

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DI:  :titelist-small:  T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X,
Irons: :Miura: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff
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Posted over on the blog some of the basics on the VKTR, including where the heck the name came from, and the designer who already has some pretty legendary hybrid designs in his resume...

 

Click here to check it out.

 

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FW Wood: :wilson_staff_small: DynaPWR 3-wood; :titleist-small: TSR 2+
Hybrids:  PXG Gen4 18-degree
Utility Irons: :srixon-small: ZX MkII 20* 
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The first hybrids that I remember seeing came out right around the turn of the millennium. These were the TaylorMade Firesole Burner Rescue clubs. They were made of titanium rather than steel, painted an orange copper color, and came in four lofts--15, 18, 21, and 24º. I remember hitting some cage shots with them in a shop at Caesars Palace. There was no monitor, so I had no idea what I was hitting.

 

Now it's hard to find someone who doesn't play hybrids, but for the most part, they're described as long iron replacements. People often start their iron sets with a strong five iron now, equivalent to a vintage 3-iron. In other words, the 5-iron is now a long iron, and it's often still not replaced.

 

I guess that I never really got the long-iron replacement concept because I've regularly bagged fairway woods of 20º loft and more, all the way, at one point, to a 29º Stan Thompson Ginty. Even now in the metal-wood era, I've got a 25º Spalding Top Flite Intimidator 400 7-wood that's perfectly playable, even with its weird .400 tip Fenwick shaft.

 

So now the thing is this: I can understand how hybrids are easier to hit than 1, 2, 3, 4, and maybe even the new strong-lofted 5-irons. Strong-lofted irons require lots of brute force to go along with the square hit in order to yield good carry. Slower swing speed players are going to have better luck with the hybrids.

 

But why are hybrids easier to hit than high loft fairway woods? They still have the bulge and roll so you can't pick with them--you've got to sweep them like woods. They don't launch the ball out of thick rough as well as the keel- or rail-soled metal wood. I guess that I never needed hybrids because I was already playing 5- and 7-woods. I prefer the "driving-iron" type utility. They're sole and perimeter weighted, very forgiving, they have no bulge and roll, and they're just very comfortable to hit on scary driving holes.

 

This being the case, as much as I laud the new Hogan Company, these new hybrids don't excite me too much.

 

 

 

 

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I am intrigued......just need to see what custom shafts you can get since 85g is a bit light for my taste.

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The first hybrids that I remember seeing came out right around the turn of the millennium. These were the TaylorMade Firesole Burner Rescue clubs. They were made of titanium rather than steel, painted an orange copper color, and came in four lofts--15, 18, 21, and 24º. I remember hitting some cage shots with them in a shop at Caesars Palace. There was no monitor, so I had no idea what I was hitting.

 

Now it's hard to find someone who doesn't play hybrids, but for the most part, they're described as long iron replacements. People often start their iron sets with a strong five iron now, equivalent to a vintage 3-iron. In other words, the 5-iron is now a long iron, and it's often still not replaced.

 

I guess that I never really got the long-iron replacement concept because I've regularly bagged fairway woods of 20º loft and more, all the way, at one point, to a 29º Stan Thompson Ginty. Even now in the metal-wood era, I've got a 25º Spalding Top Flite Intimidator 400 7-wood that's perfectly playable, even with its weird .400 tip Fenwick shaft.

 

So now the thing is this: I can understand how hybrids are easier to hit than 1, 2, 3, 4, and maybe even the new strong-lofted 5-irons. Strong-lofted irons require lots of brute force to go along with the square hit in order to yield good carry. Slower swing speed players are going to have better luck with the hybrids.

 

But why are hybrids easier to hit than high loft fairway woods? They still have the bulge and roll so you can't pick with them--you've got to sweep them like woods. They don't launch the ball out of thick rough as well as the keel- or rail-soled metal wood. I guess that I never needed hybrids because I was already playing 5- and 7-woods. I prefer the "driving-iron" type utility. They're sole and perimeter weighted, very forgiving, they have no bulge and roll, and they're just very comfortable to hit on scary driving holes.

 

This being the case, as much as I laud the new Hogan Company, these new hybrids don't excite me too much.

Given my experience with fairway woods (my best clubs), hybrids (meh) and 4 or 5 irons (usually very good for me), I have the same questions, especially since I can't hit a hybrid consistently out of the rough and not nearly as well as a five or six iron out of the rough.  If I didn't have a Packer head cover for my hybrid, it would probably be out of my bag.

 

Oops, just realized this was a Hogan new product thread-we should take  our hybrid blasphemies to another thread.  We bad.

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The first hybrids that I remember seeing came out right around the turn of the millennium. These were the TaylorMade Firesole Burner Rescue clubs. They were made of titanium rather than steel, painted an orange copper color, and came in four lofts--15, 18, 21, and 24º. I remember hitting some cage shots with them in a shop at Caesars Palace. There was no monitor, so I had no idea what I was hitting.

 

Now it's hard to find someone who doesn't play hybrids, but for the most part, they're described as long iron replacements. People often start their iron sets with a strong five iron now, equivalent to a vintage 3-iron. In other words, the 5-iron is now a long iron, and it's often still not replaced.

 

I guess that I never really got the long-iron replacement concept because I've regularly bagged fairway woods of 20º loft and more, all the way, at one point, to a 29º Stan Thompson Ginty. Even now in the metal-wood era, I've got a 25º Spalding Top Flite Intimidator 400 7-wood that's perfectly playable, even with its weird .400 tip Fenwick shaft.

 

So now the thing is this: I can understand how hybrids are easier to hit than 1, 2, 3, 4, and maybe even the new strong-lofted 5-irons. Strong-lofted irons require lots of brute force to go along with the square hit in order to yield good carry. Slower swing speed players are going to have better luck with the hybrids.

 

But why are hybrids easier to hit than high loft fairway woods? They still have the bulge and roll so you can't pick with them--you've got to sweep them like woods. They don't launch the ball out of thick rough as well as the keel- or rail-soled metal wood. I guess that I never needed hybrids because I was already playing 5- and 7-woods. I prefer the "driving-iron" type utility. They're sole and perimeter weighted, very forgiving, they have no bulge and roll, and they're just very comfortable to hit on scary driving holes.

 

This being the case, as much as I laud the new Hogan Company, these new hybrids don't excite me too much.

 

My love of hybrids started 5 years ago when I replaced all of my woods. I picked up a TM R11 18* Rescue and absolutely crushed it, still do. I only picked up the matching 21* last year for $30 so I could replace my 3-iron which I could never really hit. Hybrids, like fairway metals just have the lower center of gravity to help get the ball in the air (my issue with my 3i). I still do pretty well with my 4i but still might consider dropping it for a hybrid. So for me at least it is just a style thing. I could probably play fairway woods just the same, but I played for so long with a Titleist PT 980F 15* that I could hit a mile ( (just not very ofte, small face)

 
My guess for why hybrids over higher lofter fairways… Ladies hit 7-woods brah. A pretty silly macho idea that real men hit long irons. I would rather hit the green than slap shot a 2-iron with a low slice. The hybrid is simply not a wood in many peoples eyes so they stay manly I guess. Any other ideas.

Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link)

Cart: :Clicgear: 3.5+

Driver:  :cobra-small:  F9 speedback, Accra iWood

Woods:  Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S
DI:  :titelist-small:  T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X,
Irons: :Miura: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff
Wedges: :Miura: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff
Putter: :odyssey-small: EXO Indianapolis (link)
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Posted over on the blog some of the basics on the VKTR, including where the heck the name came from, and the designer who already has some pretty legendary hybrid designs in his resume...

 

Click here to check it out.

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I really like it. One of my favorite hybrids is the Hogan CFT. As I look at these I see a bunch of Adams and a Bunch of Original Hogan influence. The weighyt system on the out side is interesting and its good to see another (taylormade used to do this) company put the weights on the back like the driver. This could also help people who say Hybrids are hook machines for them.

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Nifty and Jax its a matter of what fits the eye. Also I know that Nifty isn't a fan of strong lofts. To be fair newer irons need stronger lofts because of the way they are weighted. You'd balloon the ball with the old weaker lofts.

 

Personally I like having at least one hybrid and one fairway wood in my bag, at least one, I actually have two of each right now but five iron is making a strong case to return. The Adams Idea pro was my favorite hybrid ever and this hybrid looks like a remake of it.

 

If we all thought the same clubs were appealing then what would be the sense of this web site? :)

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Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

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I've never been a fan of hogan clubs (preferring mizuno) even though they were top notch quality when forged in Texas.

However, these hybrids as others have stated, follow the Adams designers are beautiful!!

Best part is you can pick the exact loft! I have all the previous generation Adams hybrids in 3,4&5h (idea pro, 9031, super pro tour issue, idea pro 9031 tour issue, xtd, ). My only minute complaint was that I couldn't get a 22* 4h ( only idea pro did I even find one on eBay ) so I extend my 23* slightly to kinda match a 22*

And I've never been a fan of the current Taylor hybrids with adjustability (imho current TM engineering after using all of the Adams left over intellectual property)

I may get a couple off these - the updated idea pro original! :D

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