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I'm out of step with the majority here, and admit, I don't always have fun. Sometimes I'm downright pi$$3d off. But hey, it's golf i play not footgolf or some other currently hot social fad. I play traditional golf, trying to be true to the rules Old Tom Morris and my grandfather played by. And if I cannot be true to myself, who can I be true to? So keep that preamble in mind.

1.No. You make the same number of strokes it takes to get in the hole. You cannot say, "Max I can take is a #" because that's a calculation for later determining your hc. For today, you made an 11. (Read Michael Murphy 's "Golf in the Kingdom".

2. Not if you're playing golf. Some rules are 2 strokes and some are stroke and distance. I agree that's not always practical, but if you ignore the correct penalty, don't count the round and tell me later you're scratch.

3. You have 5 minutes from the time you arrive and start to search. If you want to take less time, fine. Personally, I think golf is already hard enough.

4.You're joking, right? Golf the game is all about the lie. Hence the saying, "Play it as it lies," not, "How big a lie will you buy?"

5. I'm all for friendship. A friend once told me the length of a gimme showed the intensity of the friendship. I believe gimmes between friends is like money between friends: neither a borrower nor a lender be. Make Ben Franklin proud. Make 'em putt.

6. Equipment today is unrecognizable by Old Tom. Pretty soon, we'll be arguing the merits of my brand of Iron Byron Robot vs yours as we pull them along on the course to our next shot. Stick to the rules.

7. Common Sense. Ah, the popular pamphlet by patriot Thomas Payne. That led to a war, did it not?

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I'm out of step with the majority here, and admit, I don't always have fun. Sometimes I'm downright pi$$3d off. But hey, it's golf i play not footgolf or some other currently hot social fad. I play traditional golf, trying to be true to the rules Old Tom Morris and my grandfather played by. And if I cannot be true to myself, who can I be true to? So keep that preamble in mind.

1.No. You make the same number of strokes it takes to get in the hole. You cannot say, "Max I can take is a #" because that's a calculation for later determining your hc. For today, you made an 11. (Read Michael Murphy 's "Golf in the Kingdom".

2. Not if you're playing golf. Some rules are 2 strokes and some are stroke and distance. I agree that's not always practical, but if you ignore the correct penalty, don't count the round and tell me later you're scratch.

3. You have 5 minutes from the time you arrive and start to search. If you want to take less time, fine. Personally, I think golf is already hard enough.

4.You're joking, right? Golf the game is all about the lie. Hence the saying, "Play it as it lies," not, "How big a lie will you buy?"

5. I'm all for friendship. A friend once told me the length of a gimme showed the intensity of the friendship. I believe gimmes between friends is like money between friends: neither a borrower nor a lender be. Make Ben Franklin proud. Make 'em putt.

6. Equipment today is unrecognizable by Old Tom. Pretty soon, we'll be arguing the merits of my brand of Iron Byron Robot vs yours as we pull them along on the course to our next shot. Stick to the rules.

7. Common Sense. Ah, the popular pamphlet by patriot Thomas Payne. That led to a war, did it not?

He's tough but that's fine. Just so you know on Tuesday we are under a local rule that allows for lift clean and drop through the green. The overseed didn't take and there are bare spots all over the place.

 

Also I won't hold the guys we are playing with to any rules but what they want to play by. See you Tuesday!

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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I'm out of step with the majority here, and admit, I don't always have fun. Sometimes I'm downright pi$$3d off. But hey, it's golf i play not footgolf or some other currently hot social fad. I play traditional golf, trying to be true to the rules Old Tom Morris and my grandfather played by. And if I cannot be true to myself, who can I be true to? So keep that preamble in mind.

1.No. You make the same number of strokes it takes to get in the hole. You cannot say, "Max I can take is a #" because that's a calculation for later determining your hc. For today, you made an 11. (Read Michael Murphy 's "Golf in the Kingdom".

2. Not if you're playing golf. Some rules are 2 strokes and some are stroke and distance. I agree that's not always practical, but if you ignore the correct penalty, don't count the round and tell me later you're scratch.

3. You have 5 minutes from the time you arrive and start to search. If you want to take less time, fine. Personally, I think golf is already hard enough.

4.You're joking, right? Golf the game is all about the lie. Hence the saying, "Play it as it lies," not, "How big a lie will you buy?"

5. I'm all for friendship. A friend once told me the length of a gimme showed the intensity of the friendship. I believe gimmes between friends is like money between friends: neither a borrower nor a lender be. Make Ben Franklin proud. Make 'em putt.

6. Equipment today is unrecognizable by Old Tom. Pretty soon, we'll be arguing the merits of my brand of Iron Byron Robot vs yours as we pull them along on the course to our next shot. Stick to the rules.

7. Common Sense. Ah, the popular pamphlet by patriot Thomas Payne. That led to a war, did it not?

I think Getagrip, needs to Getagrip. Rules are rules. Bologna, we played behind some old timers the other day that well looked to be playing the "rules", to the tune of 5 hours and 10 minutes. These guys walked to there ball as slow as possible, putted everything out hit the ball 80 yards at s time, we watched them for 10 minutes on one green while they all 3 putted and the last putts were less then a foot, and they all marked the ball, these relaxed rules as we like to call them are ways to help speed the game up, nobody is asking anyone to run around the course, but let's be reasonable amateurs can't play by the letter of the rules in less than 5 hours. Nobody enjoys a 5 hour round of golf, and I'll bet you don't either. Speed the game up, while we're young. Yes please.

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I've played with Getagrip, he's not slow but he plays by the book, nothing wrong with that. It's possible to play a round of golf by the rules in three hours. Its a mindset.

 

Having written that I'm for simplifying the rules and playing the way most of us are accustomed which would include give me's, pick em ups when out of the holes. I'd add OB and lost balls like lateral water hazzards.

 

I would not be inclined to use prefered lies unless the course determined it was necessary as a local rule for a time.

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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People can play by whatever rules they want I guess, but when playing with groups of larger quantities, with hcp's ranging from +2 to 30, you simply cannot play by the book. The numbers just don't allow for it, so you have to come up with some rules to keep the pace of play moving, we use max ESC score per hole. Local course rule is that all hazards are lateral, OB is stroke and distance. If you aren't sure, play a provisional, yes I know that the rule says go back to the tee, but to save time, you hit a second ball. We have to keep the pace of play moving, period. Gimmees are in play. Again for us on Saturday in our group, it's about fun and we have to do our part since we are out early to keep the play moving.

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People can play by whatever rules they want I guess, but when playing with groups of larger quantities, with hcp's ranging from +2 to 30, you simply cannot play by the book. The numbers just don't allow for it, so you have to come up with some rules to keep the pace of play moving, we use max ESC score per hole. Local course rule is that all hazards are lateral, OB is stroke and distance. If you aren't sure, play a provisional, yes I know that the rule says go back to the tee, but to save time, you hit a second ball. We have to keep the pace of play moving, period. Gimmees are in play. Again for us on Saturday in our group, it's about fun and we have to do our part since we are out early to keep the play moving.

I think you'll find that most, 95 percent plus, who play in a regular game play by local rules of some sort. The USGA actually allows for this and anticipates it. Even the PGA tour creates its own local rules. The key is that everyone in the field is playing by the same rules. I have been a part of men's groups at every course that I've been a member of and there has been some sort of rules modification for every group. Theyve all been similar to what Kor A Dor describes here. In my current league they are pretty strict because it's an individual league so it's play it down, putt it out up to double par and strict USGA rules in all other places. It's left clean and place if the course requires cart path only.

 

The one rule that Barbajo suggests that I would never allow is the common sense one. I've been a golfer and a pastor way too long to be fooled by that one. Common sense is a myth.

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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I must admit, I didn't abide by my own edicts above yesterday. Got into an unexpected 9-hole round with a couple friends and the course was unbelievably packed. We managed to squeeze in on the back nine with the starter's permission. We normally play 9 holes in 1.5 hours max, but we all felt rushed to keep the pace going. We finished in about an hour. I gave plenty of putts, both for pace of play and the crappy greens. I remember one penalty and he took the correct option. I don't think any of us enjoyed it much, and I felt sorry my partners felt rushed to putt on crappy greens, so I conceded a lot of putts. As usual, we weren't playing for anything and neither one asked what his total was.

 

Kevin, thank you for coming to my defense. Nobody can hang a Slow Player sign on me. But I know the rules pretty well, and can spot a violation. As you say, one can follow the rules and play fast. That's one difference between municipal and private courses: at private, one hits a provisional BEFORE one goes to find his first ball, to speed up play. I rarely see this done by muni players. They go look first, then drop at the spot the ball went OB. Wrong penalty. Cheers.

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I've played with Getagrip, he's not slow but he plays by the book, nothing wrong with that. It's possible to play a round of golf by the rules in three hours. Its a mindset.

 

Having written that I'm for simplifying the rules and playing the way most of us are accustomed which would include give me's, pick em ups when out of the holes. I'd add OB and lost balls like lateral water hazzards.

 

I would not be inclined to use prefered lies unless the course determined it was necessary as a local rule for a time.

I can do that in two hours from a cart. 5 hours is a joke.

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My point in all this is to say that no one plays 100% by the rules all he time, even Getagrip admits to this, there is a time and place to play by the "rules" of golf, and Saturday and Sunday games are not the place, it is our job as members of our courses to make sure that out pace of play doesn't sour it for visitors, and maybe they will return. It is also our job to grow the game, and playing 100% by the rules will not grow the game. If you take a new golfer to a course and it takes 4 1/2 to 5 hours to play chances are they won't return, it has to be enjoyable and playing by the "rules" is difficult. When the course is packed we have to make sure we are not the ones slowing the course down, I have one simple rule to apply everywhere you play, "keep up with the group in front of you".

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I would add "and have fun" to your rule Kor A Dor - unless it's a tournament or money game who cares really?  Have fun and don't disturb the other people on the course (that would include slowing them down).  Most of the time we're recreational golfers. 

 

I've had enough success and failure in tournaments to know that my handicap is about right - In the end that's the only place that you can tell how legit it is - you should play to it between 20 and 25 percent of the time when you are playing straight by the rules - if you do - you're right where you should be. 

 

I honestly don't think that its guys like Get a Grip, striving to play by the rules that slow play down - it's people who play from the wrong set of tees (a huge percentage of golfers), people that don't play ready golf, and people playing for "big money" that spend forever over putts that they already know because they've had that 4 footer on that line on that course 100 times already but it's what the guys do on TV so they better study it from every angle before they miss it.  :) 

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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Hi Kev! Played my usual round today in 3 hours. I took a couple days off to let my back heal, and today swung within myself. Shot 92 in a 2+ club wind. Played by the rules. Lost 2 tee shots, so re-teed for my third shots. On the first hole, a walker made about an 8, I waited for 5-7 minutes in my cart. He never looked back, never invited me to play thru. I went around him, played the open holes out of order. Lots of singles walking, none let anybody thru. Might reflect on their ability.

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Hi Kev! Played my usual round today in 3 hours. I took a couple days off to let my back heal, and today swung within myself. Shot 92 in a 2+ club wind. Played by the rules. Lost 2 tee shots, so re-teed for my third shots. On the first hole, a walker made about an 8, I waited for 5-7 minutes in my cart. He never looked back, never invited me to play thru. I went around him, played the open holes out of order. Lots of singles walking, none let anybody thru. Might reflect on their ability.

Or their lack of knowledge about golf etiquette or the course's unwillingness to pair people up. Glad the back is better. We will have to hit it soon.

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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#4 : I'd be ok making divots in the fairway 'ground under repair' and allowing a drop...you shouldn't be penalized for hitting a fairway

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#5 and I think many already do this unless in a tournament.....we never putt out 1-2 footers

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