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seems like a chicken-egg conundrum --- fit for clubs that fit your body and your 'natural' swing, then lessons OR grab an off the rack set, get some lessons and then get fit

 

I'm going with the former rather than the latter.

 

Curious though ... is one lesson enough?  2, 3?  I know that it is completely subjective but you can go broke paying for lesson after lesson.

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I took Lessons from Kevin Carlson , he had a great program of 10 weeks for 650 and he guaranteed you would lower game by 10 strokes. His plan was more to have you understand how to play a course, how to work your short game, first year I went from 106 to 91 avg, second year went from 91 to low 80, still haven't broke that elusive 80 but hoping.

 

He had a plan of lessons 3 - 6 people one week , then we would play the next, alternating each week. One of his philosophies was to break the game into 2 parts, 

1, Getting withing 100 yards of hole on regulation, and 

2. Gettin up and down in 3

3. Making all 4 foot putts

 

Second year he made that 100 yard 50 and making all 6 foot puts... was frustrating but I am learning lol

 

using that info you knew where and what you needed to work on.

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I took Lessons from Kevin Carlson , he had a great program of 10 weeks for 650 and he guaranteed you would lower game by 10 strokes. His plan was more to have you understand how to play a course, how to work your short game, first year I went from 106 to 91 avg, second year went from 91 to low 80, still haven't broke that elusive 80 but hoping.

 

He had a plan of lessons 3 - 6 people one week , then we would play the next, alternating each week. One of his philosophies was to break the game into 2 parts, 

1, Getting withing 100 yards of hole on regulation, and 

2. Gettin up and down in 3

3. Making all 4 foot putts

 

Second year he made that 100 yard 50 and making all 6 foot puts... was frustrating but I am learning lol

 

using that info you knew where and what you needed to work on.

 

I'm confused on #1 on a Par 4.  I can see how it works on a Par 5, but if you get within 100 yards on a par 4 'in regulation' does that mean you're hitting a 350 yard drive (on a 450 yard par 4)?

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so on a par 4 you would be within 100 yards of green in 2 strokes for a par 4, 3 for a par 5, and 1 for a par 3

 

Again used on us new players. If you got it you placed a check mark on your card, He then would look at card and try to see if you needed more work in that area. 

If you were consistently getting this he moved it to 50 yards, he had one guys who was in mid to low 80s that he had on the green, "greens in regulation"

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Spend your money on instruction. In addition to getting help with your golf swing; spread your resources around to include physical conditioning and sports psychology. The holy trinity of scoring involves understanding swing theory as it relates to your game, having the body to reproduce stable impact positions and finally the mind capable of separating the ego from the potential results.

 

 

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I think for a beginner the most important thing is practice and playing. Spend the time doing that and see where you get on your own, and a year of penance never hurt. After that lessons for a bit so that any huge fault, like a big slice for example could be corrected. Be mindful to find a pro that can teach to what you need and isn't just a cookie baker that will try to make you swing like Rory when your not even close physically. After a few lessons get fitted so you have the proper equipment. After that 85% of funds go into play and practice. Equipment will only need replaced when it wears out- wedges every 2-3 years, drivers 5-6 and stainless irons, our the ones with titanium inserts hardly ever actually "go bad." Lessons will only be needed when something good haywire a few times a year.

 

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There are some very subtle differences in what will improve your game the most, depending on your skill level.

High Handicap: Lessons and practice

Medium Handicap: Lessons and practice

Low Handicap: Lessons and practice

Web.com tour or better: Club fitting, coaching and practice

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Never was an advocate for lessons until I went through a series myself. The best money I ever spent was lessons. Find a good pro and spend the money there. It is frustrating at first but lessons and practice have given more tangible results than I have ever seen.

 

 

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There are some very subtle differences in what will improve your game the most, depending on your skill level.

High Handicap: Lessons and practice

Medium Handicap: Lessons and practice

Low Handicap: Lessons and practice

Web.com tour or better: Club fitting, coaching and practice

You don't seem to be an advocate of playing the best equipment for you. I think as you get to hit the mid handicap range fitting starts to become more important. A mid cap probably hits the ball well but makes mistakes that lead to big numbers or they struggle with a particular aspect of the game. Fitting help ensure that clubs aren't causing issues. When I am thinking of fittings at this level I am talking club flex, length, and lie angle type aspects

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You don't seem to be an advocate of playing the best equipment for you. I think as you get to hit the mid handicap range fitting starts to become more important. A mid cap probably hits the ball well but makes mistakes that lead to big numbers or they struggle with a particular aspect of the game. Fitting help ensure that clubs aren't causing issues. When I am thinking of fittings at this level I am talking club flex, length, and lie angle type aspects

 

Oh no! I totally am, I has just been my experience that skill is far more important than equipment. Yes, the right clubs, fit to you will make you better but they will not make you that much better. For instance, I promise you Tiger Woods circa 1999 could use hickory shafted sticks (probably just a brassie, a mashie and a niblet!) and still beat me with a set of custom made clubs with lasers on them by double digit strokes. 

 

Honestly, if you're a 15 handicapper and you get a driver that's 10% straighter and longer, irons that get up in the air more easily, a putter that does whatever good putters does... how many strokes per round are you actually gaining? In the putter lab tests, the best putter equipment saves less than one stroke over eighteen? Does it matter if a terrible putter goes from averaging 2.99 putts per green to 2.95? If you can't swing the club right it just doesn't matter how good the equipment is.

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I understand what you are saying as for straightening that driver out, getting iron up with more consistent flight and saving 1-2 strokes on the green that 15 handicap would start approaching single digits. Especially with a few lessons thrown in.

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Lessons "period", new tech and most forgiving clubs can only do so much you.

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Lessons with a GOOD coach. who knows what they are doing.

Then practice and once you have a consistent swing then get fitted properly with shafts that suit you.

 

I don't believe getting fitted will benefit everyone. Only when you have a consistent swing should you be fitted. Otherwise you are getting fitted to an inconsistent swing.

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I would say it all starts with an assessment of your strengths and weaknesses.

In general though I'd say it's a combination of:

- consistent practice

- obsession / dedication to the game

-lessons with a reputable coach

 

 

 

 

 

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Clubs etc. are a factor but not the end all to a good game. I tend to lean towards taking some lessons with a pro who you feel comfortable with and can explain the lesson in a way you can get it. All pros are not the same or equal in their teaching abilities. I have also begun using an electronic gadget that I was gifted and have found it offers some answers and solutions to a few problems. I also gotta practice a lot especially when U learn a new thing.

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The only thing I have never regretted spending money on: a good pair of shoes!

 

 

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Driver:      :callaway-small: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x

Fairway:     Still looking!

Irons:         :mizuno-small:MP-18 MB 4-PW

Wedges:     Miura K Grinds

Putter:       Evnroll 1.2 blade

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Seeing as this is a fairly old thread I am not sure how many people will still be reading, but I figured I would throw some words into the heap.

 

The general consensus seems to be that lessons are a solid way to go, followed by practice, playing, and properly fit equipment.  I would agree with all the suggestions fellow golfers have set forth in one way or another.  Being a high handicapper currently I can definitively state that lessons have helped my game by helping me better understand the mechanics I need to recreate in order to play a solid round.  Finding an instructor that matches with your learning style is a key as they are not all created equal.  And being prepared to accept that your game may suffer initially in order to get to a better place. 

 

Proper equipment has aided in some improvement as well.  For years I was using off the rack irons with no adjustments and consistently lived with ball flight characteristics that resulted from poor fit.  This led to spending time trying for fix ball flight issues via swing adjustments, improper swing adjustments at that.  Which would bring us back to the lessons I needed to correct some of my homegrown adjustments. So in that sense improvement by $$ is certainly attainable, but only to a certain degree.

 

And of course you can take money and put it towards swing aids, memberships, range fees and all that.  All of which may help some too.

 

But do you know what would really make the difference??  Time, if you could take $ and make that into time then I would agree 100% that $ can improve your game drastically.  At least for me personally.  You see at the time the thing holding by game hostage is a lack of time.  I typically swing the clubs a bit in the yard at some point during the week and play maybe 9 - 18 holes a week.  Sometimes I play really well (closer to a 12) and others I play horrible, thus the 17 handicap.  My humble advice is this.  If you have never taken a lesson and know someone that is a good teacher, work with them on some areas of your game you think you can improve upon. Have them help you develop effective ways of practicing the game, not just repeatedly hitting balls down the range.  If you have ill fitting equipment then by all means get it adjusted or replaced.  But after that, take your money and find a way to practice more.  Get a net for your yard, a putting mat, a swing monitor, anything that will get you out and swinging your clubs more.  The more you practice, and I don't mean just swing your clubs without a purpose, but really setting a game plan and working on specifics in your game, the better you will preform on the course.  Practice everything too, not just the basics or the fun stuff, but the stuff that saves you a stroke or two a round. I know if I had the time to do that I certainly wouldn't be a 17.  

 

Then again.....buying new clubs is always fun too ;)

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Lessons, fitting and practice.  Once your lessons take hold then you get fit for your clubs and then off to practice. I have a few buddies that got fit and a few weeks later went through major swing changes and then blamed the fitter for a poor fitting.  IMO if you are going through a swing change or just learning the game I feel that you shouldnt get fit until your swing is where you feel it needs to be and then get fit.

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I actually have an opinion here. I spent $1400 for lessons. The "i structor" wanted me to use their method, which after 40 years of golf, was foreign to me. (Load left). Consequently, i cancelled after 4 of 12 lessons. I needed someo e who could coach me not to corporate requirements.

 

So, use your swing and your style. Money without reason is useless

 

 

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I actually have an opinion here. I spent $1400 for lessons. The "i structor" wanted me to use their method, which after 40 years of golf, was foreign to me. (Load left). Consequently, i cancelled after 4 of 12 lessons. I needed someo e who could coach me not to corporate requirements.

 

So, use your swing and your style. Money without reason is useless

 

 

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This is the problem with instructors imo. There is no single way to swing a club. This isn't tackling in football where there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. A good instructor looks at what you do and your swing and adjusts it accordingly. Unless you have never swung a club or are asking to be broken down and started from scratch, you shouldn't be teaching one single idea. My grandfather was a PGA pro and the thing that made him special as a teacher is he understood where the swing mattered most...1" behind the ball and 1" in front of it

 

 

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