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I was talking to a buddy yesterday about drivers. He suggested with some certainty that my driver face will go dead after about two years or so. Huh? He couldn't backup his claim. I haven't researched it either. Does anyone believe this? Is there any proof either way that this happens? Or...is this just a golf myth?

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Absolutely the truth.  I've been telling the wife this for years...

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No research but, my Driver is a Ping G20, obviously over 2 years old, in fact, it's closer to 5+ years old and there's nothing wrong with it...won't stop me from buying a new one though.

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It depends on the driver probably but I know that some of them get hotter the more you hit them. Its very similar to softball and baseball bats that are composite. The thinner the wall of the barrel/face gets the hotter it gets. The hottest it will ever be is 1 swing before it breaks. Of course i'm sure this doesn't apply to all drivers but I know it does for at least some. 

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Ha! I'd been considering the same post. I played a round with someone who made the same claim. He hits every darn fairway, but said the driver had lost its liveliness and he no longer gets the distance he used to get.

I would think that it's possible - slight deformations of the club head over time I would think could lead to changes in performance.

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I have had this conversation with my brother who is a graduate of the pgm program at OSU, and is now a club pro at a local course.  His response was that the shaft will wear out long before the clubhead will.  He used a spring analogy.  A spring stretched and compressed over time will lose tension, thus the flexibility will increase over time.  He did add that he comes across bent hosels quite often, and that could be considered wear I suppose.

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My current driver is now 11 years old. It still performs as good as the day it was made.

There is some evidence that some driver faces will indeed crack, distort or cave in as a result of long, hard and prolonged use, but when or if this happens is not a finite absolute in terms of time. For example, if you hit a steel ball bearing with a 120 mph swing speed, then there is a fair chance some damage will occur. On the other hand if you hit golf balls with moderate to normal swings, then the driver could last for a lifetime. The margins are indeed that wide if you believe in common sense rather than conjecture.

I call myth, but I doubt most of anyone on here has owned a driver for longer than a year to make such a claim (just kidding).

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It depends on several factors.

1- The brand of the driver and how thin the face was to begin with. Good example Bang O Matic

2- The swing speed at impact of the person playing it. Older guys like myself with slow swing speeds there is no danger of over flexing the face. Now these younger guys yes.

I do have a Bang head I traded for a while back. Never could get it to hit right changed around about 6 different shafts. My friend who had his own shop at the time and is an accomplished player tried it with several shaft combos. He thought the head was 'dead" To confirm it we shafted it up for a well known local  Remax Long Drive guy and he played Bang for a while and he hit it 4 or 5 times and confirmed it

My first metal wood was a Founders 300 CC with an S-400 steel. I ended up cracking it on the sole along the rails after about an year. I was told that those paticular drivers were prone to that. The only other driver I ever cracked was about 9 years ago. It was an Adams I forgot what model I do know I had a UST Pro Force V-2 in it. I was actually playing a round with a Pro V and the crown cracked all the way across it. We were an Adams dealer (we still had the shop then) and Adams would not warranty it. We ended up pulling Adams products because of that.

 

I think in retrospect that the average player in general can not hit the ball hard enough or solid enough consistantly to take the spring out of an average pro line public offering club. But I may be wrong and I know there are freak things that happen 

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I was talking to a buddy yesterday about drivers. He suggested with some certainty that my driver face will go dead after about two years or so. Huh? He couldn't backup his claim. I haven't researched it either. Does anyone believe this? Is there any proof either way that this happens? Or...is this just a golf myth?

 

Dead? I'm going to go with nonsense.

 

What is possible is that a driver *could* develop flat spots along the face's bulge and roll radii. I say *could* because although it's theoretically possible, with current materials along with improved design and manufacturing techniques, it shouldn't happen.

 

We chatted with the PING R&D guys about this briefly. They do a ridiculous amount of canon testing to ensure that not only will faces not break, but that'll they'll maintain their shape for the duration. 

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Sounds like a great sales technique

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For what it's worth I've been on both ends of this issue. I have an Taylormade r7 425 driver I still pull out on occasion and then I had Taylormade burner that died after maybe a year and a half. I think that they typically last longer then 2 years, but once it stops working be it 2 or 10 years then that's when it's time to switch.

 

 

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I am in agreement with jaskanski.

It would greatly depend on velocity of the club head mashing against the ball and then where the impact occurs.

If you are hitting say near the crown with a higher than average club head speed then failure is bound to happen.

however if you are hitting in the middle fairly consistently then it should be a very long time before anything noticeable happens to the club head.

 

and yes I would expect the shaft to fail first. 

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Ok so I have some proof. I have had 3 driver get set back to Titleist in a 3 year span and they were replaced for free under warranty because the Face went flat. I had a 910 and 2 913 heads for flat. And to blow the theory the shaft will go first out of the water all 3 heads were with the same shaft. A big factor in this obviously swing speed. The likely hood of someone under 100 mph flattening a driver is very slim. My speed is between 166-122 and it happens often for me. I usually wont use a driver longer then a year for this reason. Or once a new version comes out I replace the old one because usually they wont warranty and older model once they release a new one.

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Ok so I have some proof. I have had 3 driver get set back to Titleist in a 3 year span and they were replaced for free under warranty because the Face went flat. I had a 910 and 2 913 heads for flat. And to blow the theory the shaft will go first out of the water all 3 heads were with the same shaft. A big factor in this obviously swing speed. The likely hood of someone under 100 mph flattening a driver is very slim. My speed is between 166-122 and it happens often for me. I usually wont use a driver longer then a year for this reason. Or once a new version comes out I replace the old one because usually they wont warranty and older model once they release a new one.

166? What's your ballspeed? ;)

 

I know you meant 116-122. Also I think going dead is different from caving in a face or cracking it. Baseball/softball bats are hottest right before they crack. I think drivers could be similar.

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Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set.  50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*

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haha yeah i meant 116-122. They werent caving in or cracking the just lost some of the B&R.

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haha yeah i meant 116-122. They werent caving in or cracking the just lost some of the B&R.

To me that's the same thing bc the integrity of the club is altered. I do see what your getting at though.

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the only was for it to go dead is for it to lose the B&R. as long as it maintains that it will continue to perform.

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Absolutely the truth.  I've been telling the wife this for years...

 

hahaha.....  I also get "don't they all do the same thing"  every time I get a new driver.  then she goes out and gets a new purse...... 

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hahaha.....  I also get "don't they all do the same thing"  every time I get a new driver.  then she goes out and gets a new purse...... 

 

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On 3/31/2016 at 11:14 AM, PlaidJacket said:

I was talking to a buddy yesterday about drivers. He suggested with some certainty that my driver face will go dead after about two years or so. Huh? He couldn't backup his claim. I haven't researched it either. Does anyone believe this? Is there any proof either way that this happens? Or...is this just a golf myth?

I have got fitted for a Ping Max Driver 2021 , same shaft as I thought was the best shaft for me, but since my 4 year old Ping apeared to ave a slight crack in the face, we decided ai should upgrade.   It all worked well in the fitting station and it was flying well , but that was the head we used for fitting.  Then I take the same set up new  and it flys 20 yards less that the one I had used for the fitting ad it sounds dead.  In fact I still it the one with the slighly craked face much better with same shaft ?  Very confused .

I had my buddies was me make twenty swings and the new one had no pop to it.  Tried it several more times same result.  I like the clud and the shaft but somethiung is different ?  I think the head of have is faulty.  Is this possible ?  

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I would go back to the fitter with the new club and compare it against the one you tested. If you purchased the club from the fitter he should swap the club head out for you if it is faulty. 

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10 hours ago, Ping 440 max with a 65 said:

I have got fitted for a Ping Max Driver 2021 , same shaft as I thought was the best shaft for me, but since my 4 year old Ping apeared to ave a slight crack in the face, we decided ai should upgrade.   It all worked well in the fitting station and it was flying well , but that was the head we used for fitting.  Then I take the same set up new  and it flys 20 yards less that the one I had used for the fitting ad it sounds dead.  In fact I still it the one with the slighly craked face much better with same shaft ?  Very confused .

I had my buddies was me make twenty swings and the new one had no pop to it.  Tried it several more times same result.  I like the clud and the shaft but somethiung is different ?  I think the head of have is faulty.  Is this possible ?  

What are you measuring with on the course to determine how far it’s flying and to compare to what the distance was in the fitting? 
 

Are you comparing carry distance or total distance?

 

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Could be a bad head; manufacturing processes aren’t perfect and have tolerances.  Go back to the fitter with both drivers and compare them side by side and explain what you are seeing on the course.  

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I just went to a fit a few weeks ago looking to optimize a ping g410 that I have had for 3 years.  First several swings on the trackman with my driver and the ball speed and smash factor were very low.  Smash factor was 1.25-1.3.  I am hitting good well struck shots but the ball speed is low.  The fitter takes a look and gets a tool out to measure the bulge and roll and tells me I have a "Dead Head" driver and there is a flat spot on it.  He hands me a new ping G425 to hit and the ball speed and smash factor both jump to where they are expected to be.  Smash factor of the new driver was now 1.45-1.47 and the trackman shows 20-25 yards more carry.  Somehow my 3 year old driver is not performing like it should.  I have an average swing speed 97-101 and I figured I played about 500 rounds plus plenty of range time with that driver.

A "Dead Head" driver is a real thing.  I have one.

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On 4/11/2022 at 12:51 PM, GolfIsGreat said:

I just went to a fit a few weeks ago looking to optimize a ping g410 that I have had for 3 years.  First several swings on the trackman with my driver and the ball speed and smash factor were very low.  Smash factor was 1.25-1.3.  I am hitting good well struck shots but the ball speed is low.  The fitter takes a look and gets a tool out to measure the bulge and roll and tells me I have a "Dead Head" driver and there is a flat spot on it.  He hands me a new ping G425 to hit and the ball speed and smash factor both jump to where they are expected to be.  Smash factor of the new driver was now 1.45-1.47 and the trackman shows 20-25 yards more carry.  Somehow my 3 year old driver is not performing like it should.  I have an average swing speed 97-101 and I figured I played about 500 rounds plus plenty of range time with that driver.

A "Dead Head" driver is a real thing.  I have one.

Still gaming it? Does it fly straighter? Note to self, avoid G425.

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175mph ball speed here with capacity to get to 180’s if I’m good and loose and swinging hard.

I’ve had the same Ping G400 LST for at least 3yrs now, hit many range balls, and it still can get me 180mph ball speed no problem.  No signs of going dead or cracking.

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I personally nor anyone I've played with over 30+ years heard of such a thing, very strange thing to read. Weird....

I’m a hacker who loves nothing more than to change how I play, be that grips shafts and heads its all fair game lol…

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