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At $400-500 a pop, who can afford to upgrade drivers very often?  Thank goodness for used drivers!

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Mizuno JPX EZ driver

Taylormade SLDR HL 3 wood

Mizuno JPX EZ hybrids 3 & 4

Mizuno JPX EZ Irons 4-G

Titleist SM6 Vokey wedge 54.10

Odyssey White Hot Pro V-line putter

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Rick Shiels has been doing some great tests with old vs new drivers from various manufacturers. I think the SLDR was the only driver to show a substantial bump in distance from prior year. In fact, it's still one of the longest based on the low-forward CG. Over the last 5 years, no major manufacturer has really improved on distance. It wasn't until I went through a fitting a few months ago that I realized if I spent $150 on a new shaft, it would do more for my distance/control than a new $500 club. 

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  • :cobra-small: King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2"
  • :cobra-small: King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex 
  • :cobra-small: King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex
  • :cobra-small: King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx
  • :cobra-small: King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx
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The biggest thing that I've noticed with older vs. newer drivers is the ability to dial in settings more.  Some people have the luck, and good enough swing, to grab a club off the rack and go.  No adjustments needed.  I've never been one of those players.  I'm currently playing the Ping G LST.  Even with a lead pipe in a standard driver, my spin numbers are just way too high.  Without the ability to move weights around, I'd be watching my ball go up into space with every shot.  The newer drivers just allow me to eliminate a two way miss, and help minimize my one way miss. 

 

I've seen similar things with fairway woods as well.  I recently went to a Titleist Thursday event, and was amazed by just changing the actual weight inside the head of the new fairway woods how much of a difference it made.  There was a heavier weight that he put in that made the club almost impossible to hit.  It was actually changing my swing.  As soon as the correct weight was in, I couldn't miss with it.

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Driver: Taylormade SIM2
3 Wood: Taylormade SIM
3 Utility Iron: Srixon U85
4i – AW: Taylormade P760
SW: Vokey SM7 M Grind
LW: Cleveland RTX 4 X-Low
Putter: Ping Vault Oslo

 

 

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Rick Shiels has been doing some great tests with old vs new drivers from various manufacturers. I think the SLDR was the only driver to show a substantial bump in distance from prior year. In fact, it's still one of the longest based on the low-forward CG. Over the last 5 years, no major manufacturer has really improved on distance. It wasn't until I went through a fitting a few months ago that I realized if I spent $150 on a new shaft, it would do more for my distance/control than a new $500 club. 

 

I've been watching the 5 year driver tests from Rick Shiels as well, and the most surprising one for me was Titleist. It was the only manufacture that actually improved with every new model. He consistently saw an additional 3 yards of carry for every new model from the 910 to the 917. All other 5 year driver tests I've seen some models gain yardage, others lose yardage compared to the previous. I think this gives some merit to Titleist's 2 year release plan... 

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Driver: :taylormade-small: M2 10.5° :: Accra FX260
Fairway: :taylormade-small: M5 19° :: Fujikura ATMOS Tour Spec 7X Blue
Hybrid: :titelist-small: TS2 21° :: Mitsubishi Black 80G50
Irons:  :taylormade-small: P790 (5-AW) :: KBS Tour 110
Sand Wedge: :cleveland-small: CBX-2 54° :: KBS Tour 110
Lob Wedge: :cleveland-small: RTX-3 58° :: TT Dynamic Gold
Putter: :odyssey-small: Metal-X Milled #2
Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B RX
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I have the F6+ with a HRZDUS Black 6.5 75G and it's an absolute beast. I love it. In the bag for years to come. Love that sound.

 

 

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So I ended up throwing the F6+ plus and unluckily it hit the cart path and broke. Well I went to the F7 and actually didn't like it at all. One the way home from a terrible round I stopped at the PGATST and hit everything they had. Walked out the Srixon 765 and I love it.

 

 

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Anyone done a test with old vs new? I have a Titleist 905T I've had in the bag since 2005 and recently put in a 915 D2, I get a few extra yards with the 915 but the 905 is so darn accurate and controllable it's not funny. 

 

It's funny how the sounds at impact change over the years, TM still has my favorite muted thud

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I'm in the same boat, I have an old R9 driver. I'd love to get a new one, especially an M2 (winning would be the best LOL), but my old one seems to go the straightest and no real difference in distance when I tested them. If I don't win a new driver by the new year, I will go back to PGASS and retest in Jan.

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It's funny. I watched Rick Shiels new video on the Cobra F8 drivers... Same distances he has been getting from any other driver the past couple years.

 

Let's face it, with the COR limit, there really aren't many more things that can be done to a driver to increase yardage significantly. Weight changes, “aerodynamics”, MOI, face tech, crown/sole tech, etc are all that's being talked about. Jailbreak was tech to make the hit more efficient and lose less energy. Same with Mizuno's new driver sole. Distances aren't ever going to get significantly longer than they are right now, they just can't with the COR limits.

 

I do have one caveat: my KZG VC-460... The Epic SZ was the best vs anything else out there this year until I tried this driver. It MURDERED the SZ. Not even close. Maybe some of these boutique companies have the answer... Maybe the big daddies are limited because they have to mass produce thousands, and thousands of clubs....

 

 

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Fwy:  :callaway-small: Epic Speed 4w, MMT 80X

Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 105X

Irons: :honma:TR20 Tour P 4-10, :Nippon: Modus 130 stiff, +1”

Wedges: :edel-golf-1: SMS 50D/54V/58D:Nippon:Modus 130 stiff, +1”

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While distances on center contact may not get longer. The distance improvements will be seen on off center hits as forgiveness improves. Since we can hit the center of the face consistently we get less than optimal results. .

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
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Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
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I have and can't seem to replace a Mizuno MX500. It pounds the ball still. I have put it head to head against much newer drivers and don't seem to find much gain out of them. Not enough to spend 500 bunch to replace it anyway. I bought an Evnroll instead.

 

 

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Wow. I would have thought there would be continuing comments on this thread. I still play my Titleist 913 ... as nothing seems significently better. Which confirms my take ... it's the shaft ... I will go new when the face collapses.

 

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Clearly the marketing emphasis is beginning to shift now from claimed distance gains to selling the benefits of greater accuracy and forgiveness.  TaylorMade's 2018 'Twist Face' marketing campaign represents a huge change in driver marketing philosophy. Gone are those claims of '17 more yards', and in place of that TM suggests you buy the M3/M4 driver because it is more accurate due to 'Twist Face'  

 

Seems the new campaign is finally an acknowledgement from TM that 'real' distance gains for the average player are now quite rare, so TM has  finally decided to abandon the 'myth' of '17 more yards each year', because clearly the consumer doesn't believe that old 'marketing myth' anymore.  

 

Most any driver clubhead that TM has introduced within the past 5-years will be the distance equivalent of the new M3/M4 as long as long as it has been properly fit to a particular player.

 

COR/CT for TaylorMade's Drivers has been maxed out for quite sometime now...the main performance differences between the various TM driver models over the past 5-years have been subtle variations to the spin rate based on moving some weight around both inside and outside the clubhead. Keep in mind that spin rate can affect distance and accuracy in either a positive or a negative way, depending on the unique swing characteristics of a particular player.This explains why TM will continue to offer various driver models with different spin rates for 2018 and beyond.

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Driver: :taylormade-small: 9.5* SLDR-C - 45.5" Miyazaki Kusala Black 61s, (1/2" tip)

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Fairway/Hybrid: :taylormade-small: 15* Rescue Fairway "3-Strong" - VP-90 Stiff 

Hybrids: :taylormade-small: #3 (19*) & #4 (22*) Rescue-Mid TP's - Vista Pro 90 Stiff 

Driving Irons: :taylormade-small: UDI #1 (16*) & #3 (20*) - KBS C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff

Iron Set: :taylormade-small: SLDR Irons (5-8i only) - KBS C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff

Hybrid Wedges: :cleveland-small: 2011 Niblicks 42*PW, 49*DW, 56*SW - Stock

SW/LW: :cleveland-small: CG-16 Black Pearl 58* Low Bounce 8* - Stock Steel Shaft

Putter: :bettinardi-small: BBX-81 Blade - Stock Bettinardi Steel Shaft 

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For me, golf equipment is kind of like computers and smartphones, By the time you fork over the $500,00 for the brand new,longest best, driver on the market. There's already a half dozen better ones hitting the shelves and a dozen more on the drawing board. I am neither rich enough or good enough to "keep up with the Jones" or more like the Johnson's,Speith's and Thomas's. I think a major problem with equipment companies is, if you wait out the newest driver for a few months, and their new newest one comes out, you get the old (6 months old) new driver for hundreds of dollars less. Just my thinking and some thoughts I've read along these lines in other blogs and golf publications. My Bridgestone JGR is a few years old now, and I love it. I just can't fork over hundreds for a driver that may or may not add 5 yards to my drives. At 60 years old, 260- 275 yards is my absolute max and 235-240 yards is more like my average. It is what it is.  :D  :D  :D

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For me, golf equipment is kind of like computers and smartphones, By the time you fork over the $500,00 for the brand new,longest best, driver on the market. There's already a half dozen better ones hitting the shelves and a dozen more on the drawing board. I am neither rich enough or good enough to "keep up with the Jones" or more like the Johnson's,Speith's and Thomas's. I think a major problem with equipment companies is, if you wait out the newest driver for a few months, and their new newest one comes out, you get the old (6 months old) new driver for hundreds of dollars less. Just my thinking and some thoughts I've read along these lines in other blogs and golf publications. My Bridgestone JGR is a few years old now, and I love it. I just can't fork over hundreds for a driver that may or may not add 5 yards to my drives. At 60 years old, 260- 275 yards is my absolute max and 235-240 yards is more like my average. It is what it is.  :D  :D  :D

 

Kevin I think you've summed up the market well. I just don't believe the golf marketing. I mean... does anybody? Well yes... they do actually. Just look around your course and count the Epics on any given day. And soon it will be the Rogue. Then later it will be the Rogue Epic and after that the Rogue Epic Sub-Zero. Each one better than the one before. Gimme a break.  I play a 2014 SLDR and absolutely love the club. It's a fairway machine and plenty long for me. I'm a month shy of 63 and still average about 250 off the tee. I just purchased a brand new 2015 Cobra Fly-Z+ for $90. When it came out it was rated by MGS to be one of the top three drivers to come out that year. The Flyz+ had it all they said. Nothing could beat it. I bought mine for fun and games basically. I'm going to mess around with it and see what goes. If I like it and can play it well I'll bag it. If not I stick with the SLDR.

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Kevin I think you've summed up the market well. I just don't believe the golf marketing. I mean... does anybody? Well yes... they do actually. Just look around your course and count the Epics on any given day. And soon it will be the Rogue. Then later it will be the Rogue Epic and after that the Rogue Epic Sub-Zero. Each one better than the one before. Gimme a break. I play a 2014 SLDR and absolutely love the club. It's a fairway machine and plenty long for me. I'm a month shy of 63 and still average about 250 off the tee. I just purchased a brand new 2015 Cobra Fly-Z+ for $90. When it came out it was rated by MGS to be one of the top three drivers to come out that year. The Flyz+ had it all they said. Nothing could beat it. I bought mine for fun and games basically. I'm going to mess around with it and see what goes. If I like it and can play it well I'll bag it. If not I stick with the SLDR.

Just did the same with a Wilson Triton. Even paid the same; $90, LOLZ. Lots of guys here like the Triton, and this one had a shaft that interested me. For that price, I wanted to see what it could do. In 2-3 yrs, if an M2 pops up, I'll do the same. Can't ever see myself buying a new first gen driver ever again.

 

 

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Kevin I think you've summed up the market well. I just don't believe the golf marketing. I mean... does anybody? Well yes... they do actually. Just look around your course and count the Epics on any given day. And soon it will be the Rogue. Then later it will be the Rogue Epic and after that the Rogue Epic Sub-Zero. Each one better than the one before. Gimme a break.  I play a 2014 SLDR and absolutely love the club. It's a fairway machine and plenty long for me. I'm a month shy of 63 and still average about 250 off the tee. I just purchased a brand new 2015 Cobra Fly-Z+ for $90. When it came out it was rated by MGS to be one of the top three drivers to come out that year. The Flyz+ had it all they said. Nothing could beat it. I bought mine for fun and games basically. I'm going to mess around with it and see what goes. If I like it and can play it well I'll bag it. If not I stick with the SLDR.

You bring home the girl you brought. Or, something like that. Changing clubs every year or two, because something is advertised as better or because DJ uses it, or I can get 5 more guaranteed yards on a drive,is just not financially feasible nor am I DJ.

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Or perhaps; "dance with the one that brung ya". :)

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Up until last night I was playing the 8 y.o. TM Burner Superfast. I went and picked up the F8+, but I am still waiting on the proper shaft to be sent to me. In terms of distance I am not concerned about any gains. I'm hoping that with a proper shaft I will limit my hook misses from over drawing the ball.

 

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Driver  :cobra-small:  F8+ 


Fairway:  :cobra-small: F8+ (15°)


UT:   :callaway-small:  XForged 18°


Irons:   :ping-small:  i200 (4-PW)


Wedge:   :callaway-small:  62 


Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM6 52 | 56


Putter:  Odyssey Dual Force 2


 

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For me, golf equipment is kind of like computers and smartphones, By the time you fork over the $500,00 for the brand new,longest best, driver on the market. There's already a half dozen better ones hitting the shelves and a dozen more on the drawing board. I am neither rich enough or good enough to "keep up with the Jones" or more like the Johnson's,Speith's and Thomas's. I think a major problem with equipment companies is, if you wait out the newest driver for a few months, and their new newest one comes out, you get the old (6 months old) new driver for hundreds of dollars less. Just my thinking and some thoughts I've read along these lines in other blogs and golf publications. My Bridgestone JGR is a few years old now, and I love it. I just can't fork over hundreds for a driver that may or may not add 5 yards to my drives. At 60 years old, 260- 275 yards is my absolute max and 235-240 yards is more like my average. It is what it is.  :D  :D  :D

 

 

... I have been going to the PGA Show for the last 13 years and play a new driver every season, mostly because I write reviews. Many years I have chosen a Best New Driver that has a different look or sound/feel or less spin or a different trajectory yet more often than not, no performance increase. However a few years I did find a performance increase with the SLDR, Fly Z and Epic among them. Had I not been interested in trying all the new drivers, I never would have discovered these performance increases for my swing. 

 

... And one thing I always take exception to is that golfers do not need a new driver every year. Because many will need a new driver in 2018 for a myriad of reasons. They have not upgraded in 5 years or more. New stock shafts will make a big difference for them. They have improved and need a new driver that matches their swing. They have aged or practice/play less and need a new driver that matches their swing. 

 

... I think every golfer should demo new divers every year. But I also think most will not find something better than what they are currently playing IF they were properly fit with their current driver. I gotta admit I love marketing and it gives you reasons why there may be an improvement for your particular game. Obviously you need to read between the lines as you do with any product being marketed and a "more forgiving driver that increases launch that is longer and straighter" will appeal to a different player than "solid low spin driver with a lower launch that is longer and straighter". Ignore the longer and straighter as every new driver touts this and concentrate on the characteristics that do apply to your swing. And I agree with you that nobody should fork over hundreds of dollars for a driver than may or may not add 5 yds if they have not demoed one with shafts that fit their swing. 

 

... All that said, if you have something that is working for you I also get not even bothering with demoing new drivers. Drivers have been so good the last 5 years it is tough to find a substantial increase or any increase in performance depending on your swing and abilities. Some are willing to pay for 5 more yards and some are not. I could still be playing my 4 year old Fly Z and be very happy yet look forward to demoing the F8 and Rogue this year. Different strokes and all. 

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Fairway:  TaylorMade SIM2 Max 15* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
                 TaylorMade SIM2 Max 18* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
Utility:   TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Ltd 65R
              Taylor Made Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Ltd 75R
Irons:    4-Pw Cobra King Tour MIM ... Steelfiber 95R
Wedges:  Cobra Snakebite 50* ... Steelfiber 95R
                 TaylorMade MG3 58* LB ... Steelfiber 95R
Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

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I fully understand and respect your position...........Happy demo- ing.... :D

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