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Ok so I consider myself relatively knowledgeable about equipment and in particular shafts. But sometimes I'm not sure what differentiates one shaft from another and by how much. My knowledge is mostly of low launch stuff. 

 

The goal right now is to find something to go into the Hogan PTx irons. The KBS tourV 120x just feel really soft to me and aren't working out. This is going to be kind of difficult because I want super low launch and spin from 6i/7i-pw and something a little higher launch in the 4i/5i and maybe 6i. The flighted sets all seem to be too soft from what I understand and have tried. Not many high swing speed players want flighted shafts and while I probably don't need them, these irons may or may not(depending how testing goes) be in the bag for a long time to come so its worth it to look. 

 

I understand the the DG AMT aren't flighted and are just weight sorted and get heavier through the set so that may be an option. DG Pro sort of peaked my interest as well. What about DG black gold? Is that just an older version of DG pro? I don't know as much about some of the more exotic shaft options but I know Nippon Super Peening Blue have been recommended to me in the past. 

 

About me: SS with the driver is 120ish and 6i is around 100. Transition is on the faster side but working on it. Previous shafts that I've used that have worked well in the past are:

PX 6.5/7.0

DGx100/X7 

KBS Ctaper130x

 

Any input would be helpful. And yes i'm definitely a tinkerer, I know. 

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The Tour V should launch a little higher than the C Tapers, have you considered leaving the V's in the 4 & 5 (or 6) and going with C tapers in the 7-pw?

 

 

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The Tour V should launch a little higher than the C Tapers, have you considered leaving the V's in the 4 & 5 (or 6) and going with C tapers in the 7-pw?

 

 

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Thought about it for a sec but I don't like the feel of the TourV for some reason, very soft. The TourV feels more like the regular KBS tour than the C taper to me. And honestly I didn't love the Ctaper's feel. I just put up with it bc the results were decent. 

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It seems like you prefer a constant weight shaft - so how about throwing TT Tour Concept into the mix?

The design makes for a flighted set but without using a descending weight pattern. 

Other options could be to tweak the set with regular old DG's - but using X300 in the shorter irons, 200 in the mid and 100 in the long irons. Slight change in weight (around 4g) but not so much that you'd notice.

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It seems like you prefer a constant weight shaft - so how about throwing TT Tour Concept into the mix?

The design makes for a flighted set but without using a descending weight pattern. 

Other options could be to tweak the set with regular old DG's - but using X300 in the shorter irons, 200 in the mid and 100 in the long irons. Slight change in weight (around 4g) but not so much that you'd notice.

TT tour concept was something I was curious about and knew it was flighted but didn't have alot of info on. And as for constant weight, I'm really not sure. I've never really gotten to experiment much with variable weight iron shafts. 

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There could be interesting to follow. Not in my wheelhouse but had you considered the PX's for these irons?

 

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... Undershooter30 have you tried the Mizuno Optimizer? I know my shafts and played KB Tours 1/2" long, stiff flex and soft stepped once. When doing a review of MP59's I was fitted by a Mizuno Rep and he used the Optimizer. I was surprised when the Optimizer gave the exact, and I mean exact same recommendation as what I was playing in my MP63's. 

 

... As a + index with a smooth transition and a 100-105 max swing speed, I could recommend the opposite of what I play LOL. Your swing speed and fast transition put you in very elite company and few will be able to recommend anything based on personal experience. 

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There could be interesting to follow. Not in my wheelhouse but had you considered the PX's for these irons?

 

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I thought about it Rev. That is what is in my MPs at the moment. They weren't my favorite iron shafts but they weren't bad either. 

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... Undershooter30 have you tried the Mizuno Optimizer? I know my shafts and played KB Tours 1/2" long, stiff flex and soft stepped once. When doing a review of MP59's I was fitted by a Mizuno Rep and he used the Optimizer. I was surprised when the Optimizer gave the exact, and I mean exact same recommendation as what I was playing in my MP63's. 

 

... As a + index with a smooth transition and a 100-105 max swing speed, I could recommend the opposite of what I play LOL. Your swing speed and fast transition put you in very elite company and few will be able to recommend anything based on personal experience. 

I've used it before and it just gave me the all the normal low launch options. I can't remember the numbers but the swing speed was upper 90s and the recommendations it spit out were Ctaper X, PX in X and X100. Although I didn't think the SS numbers were correct. When I was fitted previously flightscope  my numbers with the 6i were at 100-103 and 106-107 if I stepped on it. 

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... I was also fitted for Aerotech Steelfiber shafts. Performance was excellent but they felt much too stiff for my preference. For me, it made me feel like I needed to swing harder, always a recipe for a smooth swingers disaster. Tried the Recoil 110's and absolutely loved them. The feel is solid, dampened with feedback and I can feel the shaft working with my swing, not against it. Yet side by side the actual shots I hit with both shafts were virtually identical. 

... What I found interesting with the Optimizer was not how fast I swing, but HOW I swing the golf club. Measuring the swing speed, tempo, toe down, kick angle and release factor should put me in the right shafts based on those factors. My third option was a PX shaft, and I don't like the feel of those shafts at all. None of the recommendations accounted for feel and personal preference. Good luck in your search. 

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It seems like you prefer a constant weight shaft - so how about throwing TT Tour Concept into the mix?

The design makes for a flighted set but without using a descending weight pattern. 

Other options could be to tweak the set with regular old DG's - but using X300 in the shorter irons, 200 in the mid and 100 in the long irons. Slight change in weight (around 4g) but not so much that you'd notice.

What about the TT Monocos? I know there are fewer sets available but the TX in that seems like a flighted version of X7.

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What about the TT Monocos? I know there are fewer sets available but the TX in that seems like a flighted version of X7.

 

You're right that there are fewer sets - only 1000 were ever made. Hence it's such a rare set to find, I've yet to try them out myself either!

The general consensus is that they feel pretty good, but as with some flighted sets, it comes with a slight catch.

The problem is, each shaft is tip flighted to suit each individual club - i.e. the 3 iron shaft is flexible in the tip and it gradually stiffens up until you get to the wedge. All very good, but it also makes the assumption that each shaft is generally going to be played with the same swing - full. This tends to lead to a slight feeling of unpredictability when playing partial or finesse shots with each club - it's difficult to predict how the trajectory and spin will work out.

The constant weight and constant profile shaft has no such problems - and is perhaps why (and I've mentioned it before) it is favoured by better players. 

However, some better players can make the flighted set work for their game. It definitely worth considering given your predicament.

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Based on everything you've said, I'd think the DG AMT X100 would be a solid idea - Monaco's as well, but dang they're so hard to find and pricey if you can - Standard PX isn't a bad idea, but you might love them 8-PW and not so much 3-7...

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Based on everything you've said, I'd think the DG AMT X100 would be a solid idea - Monaco's as well, but dang they're so hard to find and pricey if you can - Standard PX isn't a bad idea, but you might love them 8-PW and not so much 3-7...

Oddly enough with PX its the opposite. PX launches high enough for me so I like them alot in the long and mid irons. I just have control myself with the shorter irons bc they feel a bit soft. I have to think smooth tempo and don't go after it too hard. 

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You're right that there are fewer sets - only 1000 were ever made. Hence it's such a rare set to find, I've yet to try them out myself either!

The general consensus is that they feel pretty good, but as with some flighted sets, it comes with a slight catch.

The problem is, each shaft is tip flighted to suit each individual club - i.e. the 3 iron shaft is flexible in the tip and it gradually stiffens up until you get to the wedge. All very good, but it also makes the assumption that each shaft is generally going to be played with the same swing - full. This tends to lead to a slight feeling of unpredictability when playing partial or finesse shots with each club - it's difficult to predict how the trajectory and spin will work out.

The constant weight and constant profile shaft has no such problems - and is perhaps why (and I've mentioned it before) it is favoured by better players. 

However, some better players can make the flighted set work for their game. It definitely worth considering given your predicament.

Well I found a used set of TT Monacos for $200. I figure if they don't work I should at least be able to get my money back from them. Plus I need to sell my X7s among many other things. 

 

1 question though. This set is coming with a bunch of extra wedge shafts. How are they wedge shafts in the Monacos set up? Would they be similar to other sets and the wedge shaft is just a cut down 8 iron shaft or would they be different because of the flighted technology?

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I doubt the extra wedge shafts would be Monocos. The cut down 8 iron shaft would need to be (usually) from the flex class above (or even softer and spinny from the same flex class) - not possible if you already have TX and not possible unless you have multiple sets of Monocos...

I guess you could have the 36.5" wedge shaft in all of them, but at the time of issue no additional wedge shafts were available - only extra 40.5" 2-iron shafts could be bought. The Monocos were designed (like TI) to be sold as a matched set, so I seroiusly doubt anybody would buy additional sets just for wedge shafts.

Having said that, anything is possible and it's always best to measure what you have before making any judgement - or just a glance at the signature anti-glare copper finish would suffice in this case.

Like I said, I'd be very surprised if you have a bunch of Monoco wedge shafts.

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I doubt the extra wedge shafts would be Monocos. The cut down 8 iron shaft would need to be (usually) from the flex class above (or even softer and spinny from the same flex class) - not possible if you already have TX and not possible unless you have multiple sets of Monocos...

I guess you could have the 36.5" wedge shaft in all of them, but at the time of issue no additional wedge shafts were available - only extra 40.5" 2-iron shafts could be bought. The Monocos were designed (like TI) to be sold as a matched set, so I seroiusly doubt anybody would buy additional sets just for wedge shafts.

Having said that, anything is possible and it's always best to measure what you have before making any judgement - or just a glance at the signature anti-glare copper finish would suffice in this case.

Like I said, I'd be very surprised if you have a bunch of Monoco wedge shafts.

I got them in last night. The set is 3-lw. I guess the previous owner ponied up the cash and bought some extras bc they are definitely Monacos. Is there a way for me to tell the flex rating and shaft designation? I know some shafts have stuff printed under where the grips go. I haven't examined them much other than to confirm they are all Monacos which they are. I'll try to post a pic when I get home. 

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Flex designation is fairly simple - it's on the silk screen label :) (towards the pointed end of the white label).

Shaft# should be printed on the butt in length format for each individual iron - 40.5" for a 2-iron and descending in 1/2" increments to a 36.5" wedge

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Flex designation is fairly simple - it's on the silk screen label :) (towards the pointed end of the white label).

Shaft# should be printed on the butt in length format for each individual iron - 40.5" for a 2-iron and descending in 1/2" increments to a 36.5" wedge

Ok cool. Like I said, barely looked at them last night other than checking to see how many he sent me and that they are all the same shaft. I'll try and blow the grips off when I get home and take a couple of pics. I'm interested to see what the extra wedge shafts are. 

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Flex designation is fairly simple - it's on the silk screen label :) (towards the pointed end of the white label).

Shaft# should be printed on the butt in length format for each individual iron - 40.5" for a 2-iron and descending in 1/2" increments to a 36.5" wedge

Bit of an interesting problem we may have. The 3-pw came with grips while the extra wedge shafts didn't. I don't have my tools to blow the grips off so we are kinda stuck there for a couple days. The extra wedge shafts all have 365 lasered on the butt. So I guess they are all pw shafts. All the shafts are TX flex except what appears to be the 9i which is an x flex. Uh oh...

 

So wouldn't it make more sense to just hardstep the 9i only with one of the wedge shafts? I figure the flex difference is one thing but also I know the TX is 135g vs the X is 127g. Any thoughts?

 

Fyi I am working to try and get a TX 9i shaft but nothing so far.

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