What equipment are you thinking about?

[cnosil]

13 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Do you or anyone at HQ know what happens when the loft of the putter is bent to 0º?  

I've found a putter that I want to reduce loft so I can try the Kuchar right arm lock stroke.  

from what I have learned loft is what controls how the ball is launched.  Our swing creates dynamic loft with a putter just like a full swing club.   Ball position and swing influence the loft you deliver.  Too little loft at impact and you hit the ball into the ground which causes it to bounce.  Too much loft and it launches the ball too high and probably with some backspin.   Both of these can impact distance control.   With the right arm lock like Kuchar uses, the club leans back at address which adds loft to the club so the club needs lower actual loft to offset the backwards shaft lean.  The needed loft will go back to how the club is delivered at impact.

 

9 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

And I putt better when the putter head weight is closer to 400g.

Sounds like an exercise club and not a putter

[StrokerAce]

23 minutes ago, Rickp said:

Yup, weight is important.  I seem to putt better when weight is below 350g and closer to 340g. 

there are very few new putters around 340g... the HB Soft 1 is 345 and has a really nice feel to it.

[Rickp]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

from what I have learned loft is what controls how the ball is launched.  Our swing creates dynamic loft with a putter just like a full swing club.   Ball position and swing influence the loft you deliver.  Too little loft at impact and you hit the ball into the ground which causes it to bounce.  Too much loft and it launches the ball too high and probably with some backspin.   Both of these can impact distance control.   With the right arm lock like Kuchar uses, the club leans back at address which adds loft to the club so the club needs lower actual loft to offset the backwards shaft lean.  The needed loft will go back to how the club is delivered at impact.

 

Sounds like an exercise club and not a putter

Yes, agree with the loft comment, has to be a factor.  
I still think my problem right now is eye alignment over the ball.  

[Rickp]

4 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

there are very few new putters around 340g... the HB Soft 1 is 345 and has a really nice feel to it.

I have a number of putters in the 340gr weight and do well with them, especially a couple of Lajosi blades.

[StrokerAce]

1 minute ago, Rickp said:

I have a number of putters in the 340gr weight and do well with them, especially a couple of Lajosi blades.

wow - you really do have "Waaay too many to list" ....

[Rickp]

1 minute ago, StrokerAce said:

wow - you really do have "Waaay too many to list" ....

Yup, and I sold too many too list when we made the move to FL, maybe 20+ but some were collector and wall hangers.

[Kenny B]

8 minutes ago, Rickp said:

I tried that briefly and didn’t work for me but does for some people.  

 

5 minutes ago, cnosil said:

from what I have learned loft is what controls how the ball is launched.  Our swing creates dynamic loft with a putter just like a full swing club.   Ball position and swing influence the loft you deliver.  Too little loft at impact and you hit the ball into the ground which causes it to bounce.  Too much loft and it launches the ball too high and probably with some backspin.   Both of these can impact distance control.   With the right arm lock like Kuchar uses, the club leans back at address which adds loft to the club so the club needs lower actual loft to offset the backwards shaft lean.  The needed loft will go back to how the club is delivered at impact.

 

Sounds like an exercise club and not a putter

My Ping is counterbalanced so the 400g head doesn't feel that heavy.  It's a custom fit by Ping at 34"; I was using a 32" putter and I grip it the same, so a lot of weight above my hands.

I will be getting another Ping putter that's 38" for the armlock and have the loft reduced to 0º.  If it was a left armlock putter, then the loft would likely be close to 5-6º as opposed to the normal 3º of most putters.  That's a lot of loft change.  I was curious what that change would do to lie angle and toe hang, if any.

[cnosil]

7 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

 

 That's a lot of loft change.  I was curious what that change would do to lie angle and toe hang, if any.

Loft changes shouldn’t impact lie angle or toe hang.

[Kenny B]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

Loft changes shouldn’t impact lie angle or toe hang.

Thanks!  I suspected as much, but wanted validation.  There is only one guy in my area that can bend putters and I am not sure about his abilities.  He's been in the club building business a long time, but he's a little weird.

[richk9holes]

40 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

...not to mention counterbalancing!

I have a longer shaft (38") that I choke down on with a 375g head but the shaft is counterbalanced so it doesn't "feel" as heavy as it did when it was a standard 34" putter.

I've had enough playing time with it now, I'm going to say the counterbalance 50g weight helped for me as well. I wasn't sure if it was placebo, but my Dad has putted with my putter before and after and agrees it's more balanced now with the weight. 4 rounds with it, 1 about average putting stats the other 3 rounds were good putting numbers.

My Sik head is also 375g and the putter is 34" I also choke way down with my grip. I replaced a thin pistol stock grip with the Superstroke 2.0 then the weight, so really I made the club heavier in total weight, but it now feels lighter.

[cnosil]

1 minute ago, Kenny B said:

Thanks!  I suspected as much, but wanted validation.  There is only one guy in my area that can bend putters and I am not sure about his abilities.  He's been in the club building business a long time, but he's a little weird.

We are all a little weird.   I’d have him verify the lie angle since any bending has the chance to be off a little since it is hard to move the shaft in a perfectly straight line.   

[Rickp]

2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

We are all a little weird.   I’d have him verify the lie angle since any bending has the chance to be off a little since it is hard to move the shaft in a perfectly straight line.   

Yup, all golfers are a bit “strange” but in a good way

[Javs]

1 minute ago, Rickp said:

Yup, all golfers are a bit “strange” but in a good way

But are they all????? Ha ha ha

[GaryF]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

All Putters can be bent to some degree.   This is the challenge of putters and finding one that works for you.   Keep in mind that putter it’s the same toe hang may not perform the same.   Weight also influences how a putter rotates through the stroke; a little more weight slows down rotation and a little less may speed it up.   Like full swing clubs the looks and feel influence how we swing the putter and ultimately how they perform.   

My old putter feels very light, but think it is around 350.  Because it feels light, I sometimes get a bit handsy or armsy and am finding I do much better with a heavier head or at least where the balance feels heavier.  Then I use less of a stroke and find it easier to relax the hands and arms and rely oh shoulder turn. 

[cnosil]

13 minutes ago, GaryF said:

My old putter feels very light, but think it is around 350.  Because it feels light, I sometimes get a bit handsy or armsy and am finding I do much better with a heavier head or at least where the balance feels heavier.  Then I use less of a stroke and find it easier to relax the hands and arms and rely oh shoulder turn. 

Yes.   Some people feel like they move the putter head, some feel like they move their hands.  Some power with shoulders, some with just an arm or both arms.   Everything we do influences the stroke and ultimately the putter configuration we need.  The key is to match them all up to be able to control speed and line.  

[DoubleBogeyDad]

Thinking about my old Odyssey White Hot Tour Rossie.  Bought it in the 2007ish time frame and gamed it before it got swiped on the course after I left it greenside .

Have been playing the Ping Ketsch CB since, but the best mallet award for the Odyssey Tri-Hot 5k Rossie is awful tempting.

https://mygolfspy.com/buyers-guides/putters/best-mallet-putters-2023/

Need to line out a bag, then wedges, then we'll see.

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Has anyone from the sub70 949x pro hybrid test have insight on the higher lofted hybrids? Wondering if the 5h would replace my 4i or if I should go shorter 4h. Don’t want to encroach on my 21* uw. 

[Tarheelvolvo]

All this putter talk has me thinking I should upgrade my old Ping Anser 2 from 1998. 
 

looking at the Wilson BL22, Cleveland HB Soft Milled 1, TM Hydroblast Soto. Any other blades I should consider?? Maybe SC Newport? 

[Merlin1313]

1 hour ago, Tarheelvolvo said:

All this putter talk has me thinking I should upgrade my old Ping Anser 2 from 1998. 
 

looking at the Wilson BL22, Cleveland HB Soft Milled 1, TM Hydroblast Soto. Any other blades I should consider?? Maybe SC Newport? 

I've all but pulled the trigger on a WHOG 7S w the Stroke Lab shaft. I putted it against my current gamer and it wasn't even close. I made 12 in a row from 6-10 feet with the 7S. My fitter was giving me grief- cuz I told him that I THOUGHT I had a straight back/through stroke. He was SO kind as to inform me that what we think about out our strokes(be it "regular" clubs or our putter(s)) "ain't necessarily the truth" and the proof is in the putting(sorry- couldn't help myself)

Edited June 8, 2023 by Merlin1313

[rdocherty]

I am always thinking about new equipment but my bank disagrees. I haven’t bought a new club in about 7 years, with my irons and driver still being Nike. I still hit them well and enjoy them, but I always think about how much a new set would improve my game or a fitted set.

My biggest thought are woods, as I have a 5 wood Callway X and no 3 wood. I hit the 5 wood pretty well (220-235) so I don’t NEED a new one, but maybe a 3 Wood is good. I also don’t know about a 7 wood, as I hit my 4 iron pretty well at 215-220.

A lot of content on game improvement from club upgrades is based on a few years, but what about clubs that are 7-12 years apart? Before my Nike Irons, I had no name brand clubs and obviously saw a huge improvement from moving to Nike.


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[GolfSpy_BEN]

At $699.99, this isn’t likely to make it to “What have you bought lately?” but, 

This is ridiculous, how good this club looks:

The triple diamond in night mode may haunt my dreams for a bit, or at least until I stumble upon my next infatuation…

[SteveGH7]

13 hours ago, rdocherty said:

My biggest thought are woods, as I have a 5 wood Callway X and no 3 wood. I hit the 5 wood pretty well (220-235) so I don’t NEED a new one, but maybe a 3 Wood is good. I also don’t know about a 7 wood, as I hit my 4 iron pretty well at 215-220.

Have you checked out Callaway Preowned?  They always have deals going on including a good selection of woods.

[rdocherty]

Yeah I didn’t realize how affordable that pricing is. Looks like the Callaway Rogue is <$130 pre owned. I think 3 woods aren’t a bad pre-owned club since they’re typically not used as much as a driver/irons etc.


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[Wib081]

11 hours ago, Ben Joest said:

At $699.99, this isn’t likely to make it to “What have you bought lately?” but, 

This is ridiculous, how good this club looks:

The triple diamond in night mode may haunt my dreams for a bit, or at least until I stumble upon my next infatuation…

I will say they do offer financing as low as $50 a month on their website. It doesn’t for me but I got my bday/Father’s Day gift early in the mini burner. But that night mode is freaking hot!

[richk9holes]

I have a trade being processed at sub70, so I have some time to think. Hoping the store credit being issued coincides with a big promo for the upcoming major. Timing may work out.

Either way the question is what to do with the credit. I'm currently carrying 14 clubs and enjoying the setup, but the top of the bag is very crammed with options for bomb and wedge strategy on the short courses I play.

Ping g25 @10.5° Tit. Ts2 @12° 917 f2 @ 14.25° (fade bias) Ping g15 15.5° Stealth rescue 22°

This is the part I could obviously drop a club if I were to get something in the 18-19° range but I'm not sold that suits my game. I don't think I'm accurate enough on approach to be so specific from 180y + I prefer having the trajectory options I currently do and controlling swing speed to achieve anywhere from 175-200y with any of the 3 clubs from 14-22° when 200+y is needed the 917 f2 and g15 give 2 options with different flight, I wouldn't overswing the 4h to try to get that much from it.

A 48° wedge would fit between 45° pw and 52° vokey on paper but I think it would disrupt my wedge game which is currently disruption free and actually getting compliments from playing partners. I like having 1 set wedge(10 iron), 1 vokey and 1 Jaws full toe. The loft numbers don't matter nearly as much as the 3 different bounce numbers and the 3 varying designs.

[Fred Mitchell]

FWIW I have spent a lot of hours on the practice green and on the course trying different putting styles and I still putt much better with a forward shaft lean which gives it a negative loft but I do not get a weird roll from doing this at all and it may just be something that works with my putter and putting style which is I choke down on a 34 inch putter so that my eyes are directly over the ball which is centered between my feet and the putter is a Cleveland Frontline Elite Elevado with the All in Shaft.

[chisag]

19 minutes ago, Fred Mitchell said:

FWIW I have spent a lot of hours on the practice green and on the course trying different putting styles and I still putt much better with a forward shaft lean which gives it a negative loft but I do not get a weird roll from doing this at all and it may just be something that works with my putter and putting style which is I choke down on a 34 inch putter so that my eyes are directly over the ball which is centered between my feet and the putter is a Cleveland Frontline Elite Elevado with the All in Shaft.

 

... Hopefully you don't really know what kind of roll or skid you get because your eyes are still looking down well after the ball has moved 12".  Putting more than anything else in this crazy game is a "whatever works" proposition so if a forward press and negative loft is producing the best results, no need to change. Occam's razor would say if you have tried different putting styles and what you are currently doing works best, you should stick with it. That said I would add, you can always reduce the loft on your putter so using the same ball position and stroke may produce an even better roll on the ball. 

[Fred Mitchell]

10 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Hopefully you don't really know what kind of roll or skid you get because your eyes are still looking down well after the ball has moved 12".  Putting more than anything else in this crazy game is a "whatever works" proposition so if a forward press and negative loft is producing the best results, no need to change. Occam's razor would say if you have tried different putting styles and what you are currently doing works best, you should stick with it. That said I would add, you can always reduce the loft on your putter so using the same ball position and stroke may produce an even better roll on the ball. 

I Have no idea why it doesnt skid or hop when it takes of but it doesnt. I 1st tried it after reading somewhere about it being used on short putts just outside the gimme range and it worked so good I just started moving it out to the point its all I use even if Im lagging from another zipcode across a large green. 

[chisag]

1 minute ago, Fred Mitchell said:

I Have no idea why it doesnt skid or hop when it takes of but it doesnt. I 1st tried it after reading somewhere about it being used on short putts just outside the gimme range and it worked so good I just started moving it out to the point its all I use even if Im lagging from another zipcode across a large green. 

 

... To be fair friends can obviously see a ball hop Fred, but it takes a high speed camera to tell if the ball is skidding and if it is excessive and for more than 12". Most good putters have their eyes down well past 6 feet while maintaining their posture and then swiveling their head to see the putt. My friends tell me about a hop from an anomaly in the green but I never see it for the first 6-8 feet. If I did, I am looking up far too quickly. My post was meant as encouragement because what you are doing seems to be working for you.   But additional fine tuning by a slight loft adjustment if needed, is never a bad idea. 

[Fred Mitchell]

5 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... To be fair friends can obviously see a ball hop Fred, but it takes a high speed camera to tell if the ball is skidding and if it is excessive and for more than 12". Most good putters have their eyes down well past 6 feet while maintaining their posture and then swiveling their head to see the putt. My friends tell me about a hop from an anomaly in the green but I never see it for the first 6-8 feet. If I did, I am looking up far too quickly. My post was meant as encouragement because what you are doing seems to be working for you.   But additional fine tuning by a slight loft adjustment if needed, is never a bad idea. 

Im Skeeeered I will mess up whats become my best and most consistent putting ever lol. Besides its like I posted here when some were talking about sound and feel of clubs I see people in real life who couldnt break bogey for a million dollars talking about wont play a club because topline is to fat or sound is to clicky or they dont like the feel and I tell the SOBS I dont care if a new driver sounds like squeezing a clowns nose if it gets me 15 extra yards and in the middle of the fairway lol.