What equipment are you thinking about?

[chisag 11,770]

... Swing speed has very little to do with it. A good athlete certainly does. The kind of help I am talking about is not distance but contact. If you are making poor contact moving to a more demanding iron will not help, it will hurt. If your swing coach moved you into a T100 iron I am sure he sees good enough contact to make the move. I wish you good luck with them as the T100-S are my current favorites. 

... Fwiw, I played with a PGA Pro that works at Desert Mountain in Phoenix and he shot a 65 at Aguila from the tips (7007yds) playing G400 irons while his fellow Pro shot an 85 using MB's. To be fair it was their day off and his fellow Pro had quite a few beers so that factors into it. But I asked him why he isn't playing at least some kind of Players Irons and he shrugged and said "If they are gonna make very forgiving irons and I don't get to play as much as I would like because I am always teaching, why would I switch?"  To which his playing pard said "And if I had any brains I would be playing G400's too"

[Chip Strokes 3,018]

8 minutes ago, chisag said:

... Swing speed has very little to do with it. A good athlete certainly does. The kind of help I am talking about is not distance but contact. If you are making poor contact moving to a more demanding iron will not help, it will hurt. If your swing coach moved you into a T100 iron I am sure he sees good enough contact to make the move. I wish you good luck with them as the T100-S are my current favorites. 

... Fwiw, I played with a PGA Pro that works at Desert Mountain in Phoenix and he shot a 65 at Aguila from the tips (7007yds) playing G400 irons while his fellow Pro shot an 85 using MB's. To be fair it was their day off and his fellow Pro had quite a few beers so that factors into it. But I asked him why he isn't playing at least some kind of Players Irons and he shrugged and said "If they are gonna make very forgiving irons and I don't get to play as much as I would like because I am always teaching, why would I switch?"  To which his playing pard said "And if I had any brains I would be playing G400's too"

i followed your thread about the T100S irons closely and your success with them has me very excited to get mine out on the course. 

the ways to play this game are endless. the PGA pro shooting a 65 with GI irons is a great example. id bet the farm he didn’t become a plus handicap by hitting GI irons his whole career. but now that he can’t devote the same time to his game, he’s finding enjoyment in the added forgiveness from the G400s. 

as someone just starting out and getting better quickly, i’m more inclined to accept the challenge of harder clubs. who knows? maybe 2 years from now i still won’t be breaking 90 and i’ll be selling the T100 set for some GI irons. only way to find out is to try them. 

[MyWifesSwingCoach 433]

When @xOldBenKenobiX and I played a little while ago, he commented that I was a good ball striker. First of all thank you again Elson for your generous comment but ever since that I have been obsessed with trying out Tigers P7TW irons... Unfortunately...

 

[xOldBenKenobiX 3,829]

1 minute ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

When @xOldBenKenobiX and I played a little while ago, he commented that I was a good ball striker. First of all thank you again Elson for your generous comment but ever since that I have been obsessed with trying out Tigers P7TW irons... Unfortunately...

 

You are a great ball striker for sure Matt, but those P7TW irons are a lot of money, I enter all of the surveys that I can to see if I can win me a set.

[chisag 11,770]

... That PGA Pro would certainly be an exception. He hit the ball nice and high without ballooning. His consistent trajectory was awe inspiring and he never worked the ball with one exception when he was blocked by a tree.  You are under the watchful eye of a swing coach and I doubt he would move you into something like T100's if he did not think it was best for your game.

... You may or not be shocked by how poorly golfers strike the ball for a myriad of reasons but almost always a swing flaw or multiple swing flaws. Golf is also one of the very few games someone with little to no athletic ability can play with some success. I played Travel Team tennis for several years before finding golf. If you are not athletic enough to get to the ball or get it over the net and in play, it is silly to play the game and of course you would be unable to play with someone else. After getting really good at the game, I had a hard time finding playing partners. The great thing about golf is a + index can play with a 20 index and have a great time. Even though the 20 index might miss almost every fairway, take 4 or 5 shots to get to the green and 3 putt once they are there. As long as they keep pace, they can enjoy playing golf with anyone or all b by themselves.

... But I have to admit I marvel at the fortitude of those with little natural ability that play golf that rarely if ever hit a solid shot and they have my admiration. I played with a guy in bib overalls in Phoenix several years ago and he never hit a real golf shot. On 18 I hit my DI off the tee about 225 leaving me 185 uphill to a front pin tucked just over a lake. WTF I was on vacation and sitting on even par so I went right at it needing a very solid 5 iron. On of my best shots of the day, landing 3 feet from the pin leaving me with a birdie and a 71. He hit driver off the tee about 175, took 2 more shots to get past my drive and after my 5 iron he said with a heavy southern drawl "I aint never gonna hit a shot like that and really enjoyed being up close to see all yer shots today. But dayum I love playin this here game and I'm gonna get better and have a ton of fun doing it". Gotta love this game. 

[Grand Stranded 1,429]

4 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

going to really try to commit to an armlock putter over the winter.

my stroke has been very wrist-y and I miss long, short, left, right...

forget the Scotty or Evnroll... I'm going to try something radical.

I'd love it if you did something here to show us (me in particular, LOL) how this goes.

Putting is by far the best part of my game, it makes up for a lot of my sins. I've always liked to play a 33.5" blade. I gamed a custom built a YES! Tracy for years (will never get rid of it) until just recently, when I experimented with a Stroke Lab Double Wide, an Evnroll HB and now a Cameron Select Newport 2.0. No reason, other than I'm looking to put together a second bag to keep up on Long Island because I don't want to sell my Rogue X irons and hybrids... I'll keep them up there in NY.

I've never experimented with grips like the claw or in my (lefty) case right hand low. I prefer a pistol grip, but I've tried a Matador or Super Stroke 1.0 and liked both. The Flat Cat, or SS 3.0's aren't for me. neither are mallet style heads, it seems.

The armlock intrigues me though. Everything about that method makes sense to me. Good luck!!!

Edited November 18, 2020 by Grand Stranded

[dlow206 5,672]

Superstroke wrist-lock grip is where its at. You just need a putter that you can choke down a few inches on, and potentially bend the lie angle a few degrees more upright. Then you can put with wristlocked, and you dont have to be a special armlock putter. Lucky for me, im so short and low to the ground that i can wristlock a 33" putter lol. A 35" putter would literally be an armlock putter for me.

On the putter note, i am thinking about the Betti new release announcement tomorrow. But i definitely don't need more putters.

[chisag 11,770]

21 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said:

I'd love it if you did something here to show us (me in particular, LOL) how this goes.

Putting is by far the best part of my game, it makes up for a lot of my sins. I've always liked a shorter 33.5" blade. I used completely custom built a YES! Tracy for years (will never get rid of it) until this year when I experimented with a Stroke Lab Double Wide, and now a Cameron Select Newport 2.0. No reason, other than I'm looking to put together a second bag to keep up on Long Island.

I've never experimented with grips like the claw or in my (lefty) case right hand low. I prefer a pistol grip, but hve tried a Matador or Super Stroke 1.0 and liked both. The Flat Cat, or SS3.0's aren't for me.

The armlock putters intrigue me though. Everything about doing it that way makes sense to me. Give it a good, hard look. I might also. Good luck!!!

 

... Just keep in mind, most of the modern alternate grips are there because players had some form of the yips or could not control their hands and flip through impact. If you have a sound stroke with a conventional grip whether rear or front hand low you won't find more success with any of the new grips like arm lock, claw or fingers not hands on the shaft. On the other hand if you are struggling with putting, trying something new is always a good idea. 

[Grand Stranded 1,429]

Just now, chisag said:

 

... Just keep in mind, most of the modern alternate grips are there because players had some form of the yips or could not control their hands and flip through impact. If you have a sound stroke with a conventional grip whether rear or front hand low you won't find more success with any of the new grips like arm lock, claw or fingers not hands on the shaft. On the other hand if you are struggling with putting, trying something new is always a good idea. 

Agreed. Probably the biggest change I've ever made as far as putting goes was late this summer when I tried the Evnroll HB. I'd never really given a mallet a fair shake, just rolled them on a store, or practice green. The MOI thing intrigued me, so I used a good portion of a PGASS gift card balance on one. I knew right away (3 rounds) it just wasn't for me. the Yes! went back in the bag, and I used the playability guarantee to flip the Evnroll into the Scotty Newport 2.0.

BTW I'm loving the Cameron… wasn't a fan of his recent inserts, but this milled face has really felt very nice. I trusted them to get the right weighting at my preferred 33.5" and I'm glad I did (they went heavy). Granted, these are early days, but it looks like the YES! Tracy might be going into semi-retirement up on Long Island. The old broad has been a work horse. She's earned a nice rest.

[dlow206 5,672]

First off, I apologize, I am a bit all over the place with ideas, for me its the ADHD.

Need some input from you guys. This is regarding the Masters limited edition Aerotech Steelfibers that I won. I don't get to have any input on which Steelfiber shafts I will receive, they are i95 stiff parallel tip shafts. So if you were me, would you:

1. Put them in whichever irons, either current set or some new heads i pick up and play them
2. Go for a fitting in which i find out what heads work best for me with the Steelfiber i95
3. Go for a fitting test any of the iron/shaft combos that the fitter recommends, find out what my best combo is. If it is not with a Steelfiber i95 S, then sell the i95s and use the proceeds to purchase the set recommended from the fitting

[chisag 11,770]

1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

3. Go for a fitting test any of the iron/shaft combos that the fitter recommends, find out what my best combo is. If it is not with a Steelfiber i95 S, then sell the i95s and use the proceeds to purchase the set recommended from the fitting

 

... As a 21.5 index, you need the best fitting combo you can play. Of course this is true for everyone regardless of index but high index players may not know their swing well enough and might be using equipment ill fit for their games. I made the mistake of installing some Steelfiber i95 stiff shafts in my irons and they were just too stout for my swing. Several years later after talking to Aerotech I installed a set of i95 regular flex and the results are excellent. As a shaft ho I didn't mind all that much but I would have saved money along with some time and the aggravation of shafting, removing shafts, boxing and selling them had I been fit to begin with.  

[Tom the Golf Nut 2,664]

I'm  with chisag on this one as well. Option 3.

[Chip Strokes 3,018]

36 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

First off, I apologize, I am a bit all over the place with ideas, for me its the ADHD.

Need some input from you guys. This is regarding the Masters limited edition Aerotech Steelfibers that I won. I don't get to have any input on which Steelfiber shafts I will receive, they are i95 stiff parallel tip shafts. So if you were me, would you:

1. Put them in whichever irons, either current set or some new heads i pick up and play them
2. Go for a fitting in which i find out what heads work best for me with the Steelfiber i95
3. Go for a fitting test any of the iron/shaft combos that the fitter recommends, find out what my best combo is. If it is not with a Steelfiber i95 S, then sell the i95s and use the proceeds to purchase the set recommended from the fitting

you are like a squirrel on crack my friend.

by my count you’re in like 4 different threads discussing equipment changes (driver, putter grip, putter, iron heads, iron shafts) while also trying out a few different instructors to fix some flaws in your swing. 

that is A LOT of moving parts when trying to hit a ball with a stick is hard enough as it is. 

i know equipment testing is something a lot of people on here like, and more power to everyone with the time and desire to go through that, but i wonder if getting one thing figured out at a time might help the rest settle in to place? 

just my two cents man. no harm meant by it at all. 

like my old man says...that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee. 

(or maybe a latte at the roastery in Cap Hill)

[dlow206 5,672]

2 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

you are like a squirrel on crack my friend.

by my count you’re in like 4 different threads discussing equipment changes (driver, putter grip, putter, iron heads, iron shafts) while also trying out a few different instructors to fix some flaws in your swing. 

that is A LOT of moving parts when trying to hit a ball with a stick is hard enough as it is. 

i know equipment testing is something a lot of people on here like, and more power to everyone with the time and desire to go through that, but i wonder if getting one thing figured out at a time might help the rest settle in to place? 

just my two cents man. no harm meant by it at all. 

like my old man says...that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee. 

(or maybe a latte at the roastery in Cap Hill)

Yep, im all over the place LOL. I'm set on instructor now though at least.

[dlow206 5,672]

18 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... As a 21.5 index, you need the best fitting combo you can play. Of course this is true for everyone regardless of index but high index players may not know their swing well enough and might be using equipment ill for for their games. I made the mistake of installing some Steelfiber i95 stiff shafts in my irons and they were just too stout for my swing. Several years later after taming to Aerotech I installed a set of i95 regular flex and the results are excellent. As a shaft ho I didn't mind all that much but I would have saved money along with some time and the aggravation of shafting, removing shafts, boxing and selling them had I been fit to begin with.  

Thanks, that makes sense. If these were some normal shafts, I probably would just test them out and see. But these are some special edition green colored Masters Steelfibers, so i would hate to cut them down and install them, find out they don't work well for me, and then sell them used when i could have sold them brand new in the first place.

[dlow206 5,672]

Ok, taking my mind off of clubs for a while, so thinking about the mobility sticks below. Would like to improve mobility and reduce injuries.

[BMart519 532]

4 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Ok, taking my mind off of clubs for a while, so thinking about the mobility sticks below. Would like to improve mobility and reduce injuries.

Buy 1" or 1-1/4" wood dowels from the hardware store or unscrew the broom handle and use that... 

[dlow206 5,672]

5 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Buy 1" or 1-1/4" wood dowels from the hardware store or unscrew the broom handle and use that... 

The Stick Mobility sticks are flexible so they are different from a wood dowel or pvc pipe

[fozcycle 11,846]

going to really try to commit to an armlock putter over the winter.
my stroke has been very wrist-y and I miss long, short, left, right...
forget the Scotty or Evnroll... I'm going to try something radical.

You don’t need a 45” armlock putter to use an armlock swing. I have a 33” putter and have stiffened my left arm to stay in the same plane as the putter. The results? Making many more putts.


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On 11/18/2020 at 8:45 PM, dlow206 said:

Thanks, that makes sense. If these were some normal shafts, I probably would just test them out and see. But these are some special edition green colored Masters Steelfibers, so i would hate to cut them down and install them, find out they don't work well for me, and then sell them used when i could have sold them brand new in the first place.

The i95 stiff is the same shaft Brandt Snedeker had used since 2018. 
 

As mentioned the steelfibers play stiff to flex and have a boardy feel for most. It’s actually what caused Matt Kuchar to go away from 110s and iirc why Snedeker went to the i95s voce the 110 and x flex.  Also this knock is why Aerotech designed the FC version 

Not to sound negative but the chances of you having a successful testing period with them and if you are worried about cutting them them down used instead of new I would highly consider just selling them new