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On 9/19/2021 at 12:12 PM, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Interesting take Sal - they've been in a steady holding pattern for a while now. The golf division isn't losing money and it is growing. Problem is Wilson's share is so small that they could grow 10% annually and it wouldn't change their position very much. 

As one part of the Wilson Sporting Good umbrella, I don't see Wilson Golf going away - again, it's a plus to the bottom line (albeit a small one) - but it won't return to its former glory. The competition is too good and the Big 5 spend a buttload of money reminding all of us that they're the Big 5. The status quo doesn't want to change, and the Big 5 marketing and product machines are too good. 

If you think about it, each of the Big 5 made their way into being the Big 5 with some kind of must-have product. Callaway burst onto the scene with the Big Bertha. For TaylorMade it was the Pittsburgh Persimmon, the Bubble shafts and their first oversized drivers. PING it was putters and then investment cast irons - particularly the PING Eye 2. Cobra has the King oversized irons and Titleist has always had the ball. 

Add to that their marketing machines - they've trained us to believe that if you want a long driver, you look to Callaway or TaylorMade. If you want forgiveness and playability, you go to PING; if you want innovation and creativity you look at Cobra and if you're a better player or if you want the best ball you go to Titleist. Mizuno and PXG - and to a lesser extent Srixon - have carved out nice niches for themselves, but they aren't on equal footing.  Wilson is one of the challenger brands, and it really doesn't have a niche other than really good forged irons.  But Srixon, Mizuno and PXG also have really good forged irons. 

Not sure if you've seen the big kerfuffle on Twitter over Wilson. Apparently someone in charge of Wilson's website listed their Staff Model CB irons at $142 for the set. $142, of course, is the per iron price. Apparently there was a sizable amount of people who jumped on it -- the number I've heard is about 8,000, although I have my doubts. There's no way any reasonable person would expect Wilson to honor that - they explained it was a mistake and promised to refund everyone who thought they were going to get a full set. Sloppy, sloppy mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. 

Some of the Twitter responses insisted that Wilson should honor the mistake and get more of their clubs in people's bags, and that it would be a big PR win and they would gain market share. That shows a remarkable lack of business understanding - market share is useless if you lose money. I had this conversation with Wilson president Tim Clarke once - market share at the expense of margin is a fool's errand and is a sure fire way to lose a lot of money really quickly. You can't cut the price and make it up in volume - the math just doesn't work  -- especially when people expect you to sell them a $1000 set of irons for $142. That's just foolish. 

One thing you can't ding Wilson on is its products. The Staff model blades are outstanding, and the Staff Model CB irons are better than that. The D9 irons are pretty good, but so were the D7 irons -- not sure there's a ton of upgrade between the two, but both are solid GI irons.  The D7 Forged irons are also excellent, and past winners of MGS Player's Distance Most Wanted. Where they stumbled is with the D9 metal woods. The D7 lineup was sneaky good, especially the driver - excellent value and an excellent no-frills driver. Not as big of a fan of the D9 lineup. Not bad, mind you, but give me a choice and I'd take the D7 every time. 

And every time I pick up an Infinite putter, it's hard to believe they're only $99. The Buckingham may very well be the best value in golf. 

Very much looking forward to the D9 forged, which should come out this winter. Wilson's making use of AI in its R&D process and as we saw with Cleveland/Srixon, it takes a few iterations to really understand how it works and how to make the best use of it. (And not for nothing, do NOT sleep on the Launcher XL irons and metal woods - they are VERY good). 

Anyway, enough rambling. Could Wilson pull the plug on its golf operations? It's always possible, but as long as they stay in the black I can't see it. Amer Sports new ownership group wants to grow, particularly in Asia, and golf could be an area where that could happen. Tim Clarke says there's no reason why Wilson Golf couldn't be a $200-$250 million worldwide enterprise (Right now, they're probably around $125-130 million) 

I think Clarke has an operation that's right-sized (meaning it's not bloated or top-heavy), and he's been in charge since 2007, so there's tremendous continuity. Do they market well? Not particularly, but as savvy golf consumers we look beyond the marketing, don't we????

 

There it is boys and girls.  More knowledge drop from a man that has forgotten more about the golf biz, than most of us combined ever knew. 
 

Good Stuff John.  You should have Adam count that as one of Blog piece quotas. 😀

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:titelist-small: TSi2 18 FW with GD AD IZ 6 Shaft

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 and 23 degree hybrids Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T300 5-P Tensei  R flex shaft 1/4 long 

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On 9/19/2021 at 5:40 AM, Hobert said:

I find myself repeatedly going back to Sub70's website and checking out the 639 CBs...

Ha.  You and me both.  I also stop at the 849 pro (a lot).  That generally devolves into me spending way to much time on Srixon's website or at Roger Dunn looking at the zx5 & 7s.

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I feel like I am working into a club ho play here. I am thinking about a sent of Mizuno MP18 MMC heads on WRX. I got approval to do graphite shafts on my clubs and am thinking of ordering Recoil 110s. Even with going 2nd swing or the like trade in credit, it would less to get the new heads, and off load my current i500s and Cobra driver. Any thoughts on these irons. Just confirm what everyone is thinking, no I have not tested nor do I neseccarly need anything new, but again if anyone can understand this group can.

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:ping-small:  I500 5 - UW Red Dot Dynamic Gold S300 | :Hogan: Equalizer 52° / 56° KBS Tour V 110 Stiff

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On 9/19/2021 at 12:12 PM, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

I think Clarke has an operation that's right-sized (meaning it's not bloated or top-heavy), and he's been in charge since 2007, so there's tremendous continuity. Do they market well? Not particularly, but as savvy golf consumers we look beyond the marketing, don't we????

Here's an example.  The Wilson Staff CB is one of the nicest looking clubs on TGW.

But with all of Wilson's competitors, TGW can take custom requests to the manufacturer and the manufacture will ship the clubs with the request length and lie angle adjustments, the requested shafts, and the requested grips directly to the customer.

That goes for Callaway, TaylorMade, Titleist, Ping, Mizuno...just about everybody

Not Wilson.  NO OPTIONS OFFERED.

If I WANTED to choose the Staff CB more than any of the others, this would possibly push me to Titleists or Mizunos.

I don't want steel shafts. They make my hands swell by the back nine.

I only play wrap style grips.

I need 1º flat except for Mizunos.

See my point?

Wilson has made excellent golf clubs since the Dead Sea was perfectly healthy.

What's their excuse for this?

 

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Titleist PT___17, 20, 23º  /  Titleist proprietary MG207

Mizuno Fli Hi II__18° driving iron  / Mizuno proprietary Exsar Blue

Titleist T100___5-9  / Mitsubishi Kuro Cage TiNi 85

Titleist Spin Milled___50-08, 56-08, 62-07  /  Aldila NV105

Tad Moore Chicopee___putter

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Now that I have a golf business, only about 50% of my thinking is about equipment for myself and the other 50% is about creative ideas on what I want to build to sell. 

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Driver:titelist-small: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S
Hybrids:taylormade-small: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S
Irons:srixon-small: ZX5 5 - PW - Accra 95 icwt S
Wedges: :cleveland-small: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - Nippon Modus 105 Wedge
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Two Ball Ten S Tour Lines - 31"
 

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6 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Now that I have a golf business, only about 50% of my thinking is about equipment for myself and the other 50% is about creative ideas on what I want to build to sell. 

I think that qualifies as progress 

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:titelist-small: 816 H1 18° Fujikura Speeder HB 8.8 Stiff | :titelist-small: 816 H1 21° Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Blue 70 Stiff

:ping-small:  I500 5 - UW Red Dot Dynamic Gold S300 | :Hogan: Equalizer 52° / 56° KBS Tour V 110 Stiff

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17 hours ago, BostonSal said:

Here's an example.  The Wilson Staff CB is one of the nicest looking clubs on TGW.

But with all of Wilson's competitors, TGW can take custom requests to the manufacturer and the manufacture will ship the clubs with the request length and lie angle adjustments, the requested shafts, and the requested grips directly to the customer.

That goes for Callaway, TaylorMade, Titleist, Ping, Mizuno...just about everybody

Not Wilson.  NO OPTIONS OFFERED.

If I WANTED to choose the Staff CB more than any of the others, this would possibly push me to Titleists or Mizunos.

I don't want steel shafts. They make my hands swell by the back nine.

I only play wrap style grips.

I need 1º flat except for Mizunos.

See my point?

Wilson has made excellent golf clubs since the Dead Sea was perfectly healthy.

What's their excuse for this?

Interesting situation - not sure why TGW doesn't offer options with Wilson. I do know you can go directly to Wilson's website and custom order any iron with your preferred shaft with length and lie alterations available. There's a possibility this may be more of a TGW thing than a Wilson thing - I'm not sure WHY it would be a TGW thing instead of a Wilson thing, but it's not that Wilson doesn't offer custom options because they do. 

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FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X (2020); :srixon-small: Z-STAR XV

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The new release of the Phantom X9.5 looks pretty amazing. It’s the best mallet design I’ve ever seen. Then I saw the price $750. 🤦🏻‍♂️ That’s out of my range. I hope that X9.5 design though makes its way to the Phantom lineup. It checks the boxes for me.86DDB85C-7201-486C-81F6-31C40067C9AC.jpeg.35b4e28ef77999d2a8cbf263f2e50dc5.jpeg

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Ping G400 Max 10.5° w/HZRDUS Smoke Black

PXG 0341 3 wood 15° w/Project X Even Flow Blue

Ping G30 Hybrid 3 19° w/Ping TFC 419H

Ping G410 Crossover 4 23° w/Mitsubishi Tensei Blue

Ping G25 5 - U w/Ping CFS 

Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54° W-Grind w/KBS HI-REV 2.0 105

Evnroll ER7 34”

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54 minutes ago, MattWillGolf said:

The new release of the Phantom X9.5 looks pretty amazing. It’s the best mallet design I’ve ever seen. Then I saw the price $750. 🤦🏻‍♂️ That’s out of my range. I hope that X9.5 design though makes its way to the Phantom lineup though. It checks the boxes for me.86DDB85C-7201-486C-81F6-31C40067C9AC.jpeg.35b4e28ef77999d2a8cbf263f2e50dc5.jpeg

I heard they sold out in 2 hours so if you think $750 is out of your price range don’t look at the secondary market 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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18 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I heard they sold out in 2 hours so if you think $750 is out of your price range don’t look at the secondary market 

So I gamed a Scotty for years, and an Evnroll now, so I’m not averse to expensive putters, but $750?!?  What is it about this line that supposedly justifies that price tag?  Any actual performance benefit/improvements?

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FW:  :tour-edge: CBX 119 3w, 15,  Project X Evenflow Blue 65g Stiff

Hybrids: :taylormade-small: SIM DHY 3 & 4H, Diamana Limited Hybrid 75g Stiff

Iron: :mizuno-small:JPX 919 Forged 5-GW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff

Wedges: :vokey-small:SM8 54 S Grind, 60 M Grind

Putter: :EVNROLL:ER7B 

Ball: :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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17 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

So I gamed a Scotty for years, and an Evnroll now, so I’m not averse to expensive putters, but $750?!?  What is it about this line that supposedly justifies that price tag?  Any actual performance benefit/improvements?

It is a limited release putter which he does those periodically throughout the year like the mygirl. All the limited releases are higher in price. I haven’t read the actual release details of the putter but from what little ice since there’s some tour inspired design aspects to it and I think different materials but the main reason for the price is the limited aspect

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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New iron and wedge shafts. Not a clue what they will end up being though. 

Driver: Cleveland HiBore XL
3 Wood: Snake Eyes Viper Tour
Hybrids: Snake Eyes Viper Tour 18 and 24 deg
Irons: Srixon I-701 5-PW
Wedges: Callaway X-Forged 50, 54, and 58 deg
Putter: Yes! Marilyn

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Fuji is launching a new shaft, Speeder NX

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Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

Updated 4/27/2021
Driver:titelist-small: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S
Hybrids:taylormade-small: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S
Irons:srixon-small: ZX5 5 - PW - Accra 95 icwt S
Wedges: :cleveland-small: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - Nippon Modus 105 Wedge
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Two Ball Ten S Tour Lines - 31"
 

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I am looking to put a new shaft, a KBS PGI 70 gram iron shaft in my New Level Golf NLU-01 utility iron. Looking for a little higher ball flight. Oh and it will include a BB and F Co ferrule. Still deciding on which one from my Shorty Roulette purchase. Leaning towards the red, gold and blue one on the right of the pic.

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Ping G400 Max 10.5° w/HZRDUS Smoke Black

PXG 0341 3 wood 15° w/Project X Even Flow Blue

Ping G30 Hybrid 3 19° w/Ping TFC 419H

Ping G410 Crossover 4 23° w/Mitsubishi Tensei Blue

Ping G25 5 - U w/Ping CFS 

Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54° W-Grind w/KBS HI-REV 2.0 105

Evnroll ER7 34”

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1 hour ago, MattWillGolf said:

 Leaning towards the red, gold and blue one on the right of the pic.


 

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I would lean toward the black, red, and white one above the one you like.  

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :callaway-small: 54-10S   :cleveland-small: 588  58-12
Putter:  :seemore-small: mFGP2

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6 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I would lean toward the black, red, and white one above the one you like.  

That one is definitely in the running. It was my first choice but I’ve been going back and forth. It’s between clean or a pop of color. That goes for the grip as well. 

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Ping G400 Max 10.5° w/HZRDUS Smoke Black

PXG 0341 3 wood 15° w/Project X Even Flow Blue

Ping G30 Hybrid 3 19° w/Ping TFC 419H

Ping G410 Crossover 4 23° w/Mitsubishi Tensei Blue

Ping G25 5 - U w/Ping CFS 

Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54° W-Grind w/KBS HI-REV 2.0 105

Evnroll ER7 34”

Snell MTB-Black 

Mileseey PF210 Laser Rangefinder

Clicgear 3.5+

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Just now, MattWillGolf said:

That one is definitely in the running. It was my first choice but I’ve been going back and forth. 

2nd Cnosil choice.

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Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2

Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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I just bought a set of four matching Ping G425s that I may not necessarily play much because I'm also a bit of a collector and matching "wood" sets are really rare today.   I need to stop buying ANY equipment for a good while.

I have three unopened boxes of Pro V1x  balls, so I don't have to buy anything for some time.

 

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Titleist PT___17, 20, 23º  /  Titleist proprietary MG207

Mizuno Fli Hi II__18° driving iron  / Mizuno proprietary Exsar Blue

Titleist T100___5-9  / Mitsubishi Kuro Cage TiNi 85

Titleist Spin Milled___50-08, 56-08, 62-07  /  Aldila NV105

Tad Moore Chicopee___putter

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15 hours ago, cnosil said:

I would lean toward the black, red, and white one above the one you like.  

The people have spoken, the votes are in and several audits have been conducted. This is the club build I’m going for. 😁

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PXG 0341 3 wood 15° w/Project X Even Flow Blue

Ping G30 Hybrid 3 19° w/Ping TFC 419H

Ping G410 Crossover 4 23° w/Mitsubishi Tensei Blue

Ping G25 5 - U w/Ping CFS 

Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54° W-Grind w/KBS HI-REV 2.0 105

Evnroll ER7 34”

Snell MTB-Black 

Mileseey PF210 Laser Rangefinder

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I have churned through many hybrids and could never find one I could hit reliably. Can't hit one of the deck, can't hit one of the tee, can't hit it on the course, can't hit it at the driving range. 

I had been intimidated by fairway woods, but put into play a TSI2 5 wood that I picked up. From the first shot at the driving range, it was solid. Solid, flush contact. Not every shot was perfect, but it was much better than the hybrid. The hybrid usually either topped or a massively left pull hook or a super thin shot. Also, the hybrids, even if I hit a shot decent, it only goes about 50 feet off the ground. The 5 wood flew much higher.

Now i have a fairway wood addiction...

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Current tester for the Titleist TSi Driver

Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

Updated 4/27/2021
Driver:titelist-small: TSi 2 - Graphite Design AD-XC 6S
Hybrids:taylormade-small: SIM Max 3H, 4H - Matrix Ozik 85S
Irons:srixon-small: ZX5 5 - PW - Accra 95 icwt S
Wedges: :cleveland-small: CBX 2 54, CBX Full Face 58 - Nippon Modus 105 Wedge
Putter:  :odyssey-small: Two Ball Ten S Tour Lines - 31"
 

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