Kenny B Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: 8-10 yards and 54* That's a tough shot with no green to work with. If you on flat ground hitting to an elevated green, it takes a bigger swing; how big just takes practice to learn the feel, but I make sure I get the ball on the green. Take my medicine and error long. With my 60º it's almost a flop shot. I really can't take more club because a lower trajectory makes the ball run out off the other side; green is long and narrow... which is why I miss on one side or the other a lot!! Yes... I have gone back and forth over the green!!! The slope off the greens is also quite severe; can't see the putting surface even halfway down the slope. When on the upslope, I used to use my 60º, but that's more like a 70-75º club when swinging along the slope; even my 54º is too much. I've found that my 48º PW works pretty well with a normal pitch shot shape. This is not something I can practice in our practice area; it has to be practiced on those holes. 6 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syks7 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Played for practice today. I had the course pretty much to to myself today, (106 degrees!!!!) so I got to practice like the pros. I managed a 41/40 81 with the main ball, but since I was hitting multiples after mishits (or to see if a different club or shot trajectory would work better) it definitely was not recordable. It was a great practice session and I got to try out a lot of different shots including some fun hero shots. The best part of today though was greenside. Trying a variety of shots with different clubs and different trajectories on full size greens that I play often with no pressure was enlightening. I feel like I have a much better understanding of how the ball moves and reacts based on its trajectory into a given slope and will have a much easier time selecting the proper shot and club to get in tight and get up and down. A couple other items of note.: I was testing a 4 hybrid as a replacement for my traditionally lofted 3 iron and the 3 iron fought back. I've been ice cold with it lately (it's hard to hit well) but today I didn't mishit it once. Go figure. My striking was excellent today. Part of that was that I really got my hips to lead the downswing and generating clubhead speed when that happens is pretty effortless. I honed in on it so that I can practice the 'feel' in the future. No video, but I'd bet my impact position today showed my hips much more open to the target. Fun, but very hot day. I wish I could practice on course more often. Edited September 7, 2022 by Syks7 6 1 Quote 0211 -- Tensei AV Raw Blue75 3 Wood RBZ Stage 2 - Diamana Blue Board 2 & 4 Hybrid RBZ Stage 2 -- TT Elevate Tour MP60 4/PW Nippon Modus 115 T22 52° & 58° -- TT Elevate Tour Innovai 6.0 CTR Ball: Zstar XV Divide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamese Moose Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 We have been deluged with rain (10+" since Friday night), so the putting and chipping greens at my range have not been mowed since Thursday. I use the chipping green as my warm up, but the roll out was so short that it was throwing my personal calibration off, so I ended that quickly. The grass tees were open, but so sodden that I skipped them (there were a few souls who were out there). I'm not really fond of mats, but that was the remaining option. At least at the mats each station has a TopTracer monitor, so I could play some virtual golf. I tried a new-to-me course, Bro Hof Stadium, and it killed me. The tee options are 5600 or 6400 (and up), and there's a number of long par 4s. Since TopTracer estimates my distance about a full club shorter than I get on the course, I got beat up. 8 Quote Moose, my cat, is Siamese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just a really good range session at lunch today. Continuing to find out that I really have been far too much in my heels during my swing for years. I turn better and can actually stop my shoulders from ripping open on the downswing when I setup more toward my toes. Honestly, my best shots came when I felt like I was barely touching my heels to the ground. (The caveat is that I can't go too much toward the toes because I need to stay in balance.) I ended the session going all out with some 6 irons and found that emphasizing arm structure in my setup (firm but not stiff) keeps my from getting to armsy and helps me stay in sync, especially when I'm taking huge backswings and throwing everything I have at the ball. 8 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 6.7 / Anti-Cap: 12.8 (Last Updated Oct. 13, 2022) Driver: Callaway Epic Max LS (9°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Club Champion Fitting 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", UST Mamiya Recoil 110 F5 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: CaddyTek Caddylite EZ V8 | Unofficial Review WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_TCB Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Leading into my Club Championship Saturday/Sunday, I am doing a coaching session with my pro today. Planning a light range session just to keep loose, and focus on chipping and putting - maybe play a few holes after to get some situational shots in. 7 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Otto Phlex PLB 45 "L" Srixon ZX 3W & 5W Titleist TSi2 5 Hybrid TaylorMade Stealth 5-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2.5 Maxfli Tour / Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichL85 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Thanks to the current heatwave, the course and practice areas were practically empty yesterday afternoon. Went after work, but like an idiot, left my glove at the office somehow. I usually only bring a few clubs with me to practice with after work, so yesterday it was the 7 iron and the 50 degree wedge. Spent about half of the time just working on tempo, basically hitting slow, full swing 7-irons to the 130 marker, and then wedges to around 65 yards. I've had a nasty habit of speeding up my tempo and transition some days, and those are usually the days I have major issues. Trying to think to myself that "slow is fast" seems to help. Focusing on a slower tempo and slow, even transition helps me to feel like I am accelerating more into impact rather than accelerating from the top and losing that speed early. Spent another amount of time just hitting little punch shot draws. My typical ball flight is a little fade, but I'm trying to work on hitting a draw more often since the course I play at suits that shape better. I also like having options from a personal perspective. I was able to translate that into a couple of full shots, but pulled a few as well. Work in progress as usual. Called it shortly after that because I started developing a blister on my finger and didn't want to risk popping it. Lesson learned for me. Don't forget the glove! 4 1 Quote All PXG Bag: Driver: 0811XF Gen 4 w/ Fujikura Motore X F3 6- 3 Wood: 0341XF Gen 4 w/ Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 70g Hybrids: 19 and 22 degree 0317XF Gen 4 w/ Project X Evenflow Riptide 80g Irons: 5-PW 0311P Gen 4 w/ KBS Tour 120 Wedges: 50, 54, 58 degree 0311 3X Forged w/ KBS Tour 120 Putter: Battle Ready Blackjack, 36.5”, Double Bend neck My 2021 review of the Spornia SPG-7 hitting net: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/tests/20-spornia-compact-hitting-net/?do=findReview&review=66 My PXG fitting at Orlando location: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/53343-the-experience-of-updating-an-old-bag/ My review of the 2023 Titleist White Box ProV1's: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/53743-2022-official-member-review-titleist-pro-v1pro-v1x-white-box/?do=findComment&comment=870552 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bens197 Posted September 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2022 34 years of playing golf I've never taken a formal lesson. That changed today, I had 1 hour with Brian Jacobs as a gift from my brothers. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you open your mind to create change. He was able to help me understand concepts and how they would relate to improving my swing. I can not wait to get out and play next week to test out what we worked on. In short...ball position and alignment. We spent a lot of time discussing and working through mechanics for my body type. I always have had a natural tendency to stand open (shoulders left of target) with the club face open (right of target) and once I was able to trust what he was showing me, I was hitting irons better than I could imagine. The skill is there, it's finding someone who can communicate with you and show you the WHY. 7 3 Quote Titleist TSI3 LAGolf DJ 65 5 TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Mizuno HMB MP20 3i Nippon Modus 3 120S Mizuno Pro 223 4-P Nippon Modus 3 115X Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ.1 LAGolf P135 Srixon Z-Star XV Divide Western, NY - Go Bills! 5.1 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MDGolfHacker Posted September 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2022 Thanks to my daughter joining the high school golf team, I've been spending a lot of time at the courses she's been playing at practicing. Lots of putting, chipping and range time. Spent 2 1/2 hours yesterday putting and another hour or so hitting the range. My range game is probably at a + level right now 9 1 Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: F8 9.5° Project X Even Flow Blue 65g shaft Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: F8 5W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Hybrid: 816H2 19° Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Stars RangeFinder: NX7 Pro Social Media: Facebook: md golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_TCB Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 21 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Leading into my Club Championship Saturday/Sunday, I am doing a coaching session with my pro today. Planning a light range session just to keep loose, and focus on chipping and putting - maybe play a few holes after to get some situational shots in. Following my previous post... good range session... worked through my bag starting with 3/4 shots with my gap and PW then to full swings 9iron, 7iron, 7wood, 3wood, Driver. Swing is feeling consistent, which is what I was looking for. The Pro and I took a mini tour of the course and found an open green to work on lag putting outside 30 feet, and routine inside 20 feet. Then worked independently for another hour on the practice green. Left with more confidence than I came with... so that is a win. 8 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Otto Phlex PLB 45 "L" Srixon ZX 3W & 5W Titleist TSi2 5 Hybrid TaylorMade Stealth 5-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2.5 Maxfli Tour / Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Hit the range today. Had a really good session last week trying to fix a swing issue with my driver, made a lot of progress then played 9 last Friday and drove really well. Got rained out on sat &sun. Todays session was to reinforce ‘the fix”. Also worked on baby pitches/chips with my 58 and putting. I’ll go in streaks with good drives and staying really connected. When things go well with the driver, I’ll hit straight, occasionally slight draw and occasionally a slight fade. Over time I’ll get more fades and occasional strong fades, no draws, then as things worsen a slice here and there. The cause is over time on the last 1/3 of the backswing, in addition to rotating back, my arms will also draw the club back. Very subtle as far as feel goes. I might not even feel it, but the ball trajectory tells me everything I need to know. Another contributing factor is during the down swing, I tend to want to lean slightly toward the ball with my back shoulder. When I stay closed longer and in better balance is when I get a draw. For me, one of the best feelings of accomplishment I get is when something goes wrong, I’ll practice and work out the mechanics then translate it to the course. While my drives last Friday were 100% really good, I didn't score well (45) but felt really good with the outing. Edited September 12, 2022 by GaryF 5 Quote Driver: Fusion, 9 deg, UST Recoil 450 ES F3 : Rescue 3 & 4, Aldila Reax 65 S : G15 5i -SW, AMT S Iron A Nelson: 58 deg, LB : Putter, 2i B60 : Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Took my daughter to the range to get her out of the house. She was great getting balls for me and chatting. Was the best I hit the ball. Told her my targets and executed. Varied distance with different clubs. Did some shot shaping calibration. Ended up hitting 5 different clubs at a 112 yard flag. Was a lot of fun. 4 5 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/2" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 2021 Phantom X5 35" Ball: Z Star XV (back up balls ProV1 Left Dot, Vero X1, proV1) Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 115 in the MGS Speed Challenge TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 16 hours ago, GaryF said: Hit the range today. Had a really good session last week trying to fix a swing issue with my driver, made a lot of progress then played 9 last Friday and drove really well. Got rained out on sat &sun. Todays session was to reinforce ‘the fix”. Also worked on baby pitches/chips with my 58 and putting. I’ll go in streaks with good drives and staying really connected. When things go well with the driver, I’ll hit straight, occasionally slight draw and occasionally a slight fade. Over time I’ll get more fades and occasional strong fades, no draws, then as things worsen a slice here and there. The cause is over time on the last 1/3 of the backswing, in addition to rotating back, my arms will also draw the club back. Very subtle as far as feel goes. I might not even feel it, but the ball trajectory tells me everything I need to know. Another contributing factor is during the down swing, I tend to want to lean slightly toward the ball with my back shoulder. When I stay closed longer and in better balance is when I get a draw. For me, one of the best feelings of accomplishment I get is when something goes wrong, I’ll practice and work out the mechanics then translate it to the course. While my drives last Friday were 100% really good, I didn't score well (45) but felt really good with the outing. Nice!! It's really hard to correct a swing issue while playing on the weekend; we all want to play whenever we can. It can be done, but it takes longer for a change to become permanent. It's why pros do it in the off season. Not playing last weekend and practicing all this week should reduce the stronger fades because the "staying closed longer" movement will begin to be your new normal. Keep it up! 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Got back to the range to hit off grass. Played a simulated round for prep on Saturday. Got driver ball speed over 160 a couple times. Hit every club. Struggled only with 4i. Finally worked on driver face contact. putting green did lag and mirror work for 30 mins. Then 25 mins of pitching to various target from different lies with different clubs. Then the same for chipping practice. 8 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/2" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 2021 Phantom X5 35" Ball: Z Star XV (back up balls ProV1 Left Dot, Vero X1, proV1) Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 115 in the MGS Speed Challenge TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryF Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kenny B said: Nice!! It's really hard to correct a swing issue while playing on the weekend; we all want to play whenever we can. It can be done, but it takes longer for a change to become permanent. It's why pros do it in the off season. Not playing last weekend and practicing all this week should reduce the stronger fades because the "staying closed longer" movement will begin to be your new normal. Keep it up! It’s all about ‘feel’ for me and interpreting the driver trajectory. Until a few years ago I didn’t have a hdcp, but a friend thought I was ~ mid-20s. I always needed to hit the range about 3 times after a layoff, then would at last have respectable drives, until a few years ago, when I got desperate and got lessons. First lesson after watching me hit a 7 iron, we talked a lot. He was trying to assess what I really wanted. Told him I wanted to be decent and <20 hdcp. Asked me if I was really committed to improving and willing to put in the work and make changes. When I said ‘yes’, he (light-hearted) said ‘with your swing, you don’t have a chance’. We both laughed and I really appreciated his frankness. He totally rebuilt my swing from all arms to no arms. 3 lessons and a lot of work. At first lost a lot of distance, but stuck with it. I also did a lot of reading and research. Read Bobby Jones “On Golf” 3 times the last couple years, each time picking up different nuances. Eventually regained distance and ultimately enjoy golf more than ever. I am 82% FIR but only 40% GIR. Last year started focusing on wedge play and everything inside 100 yards. This year more short wedge play around the green. Putting still very much a work in progress. Edited September 13, 2022 by GaryF 6 Quote Driver: Fusion, 9 deg, UST Recoil 450 ES F3 : Rescue 3 & 4, Aldila Reax 65 S : G15 5i -SW, AMT S Iron A Nelson: 58 deg, LB : Putter, 2i B60 : Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mushball Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 14 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: Took my daughter to the range to get her out of the house. How did she hit? 2 Quote Driver - PXG GEN5 0311FX 9°+1° flat - ProjectX Cypher 40 5.5 trimmed to 44" Wood - PXG GEN5 0311FX 4-wood flat - ProjectX Cypher 50 5.5 Hybrid - PXG 0211 22° flat - ProjectX Cypher 50 5.5 and Adams Idea 5HY - 39" Fubuki z60 Hy Flex-R shaft Irons - 5-PW Callaway Rouge ST Max w / ProjectX Tour Flighted 105 steel shafts Wedges - Kirkland Signature G/S/L Putter - Kirkland Signature KS1 Balls - Titelist Pro V1 (PROTO 388) and Pro V1x (PROTO 348 test balls from current '22 ball test. RH player shooting ~112 in Portland, Oregon. New to the game and improving every week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, Mr. Mushball said: How did she hit? Lol. She wanted to watch and put balls on a tee for me. She hit one and had it go a few feet. Baby steps 5 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/2" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 2021 Phantom X5 35" Ball: Z Star XV (back up balls ProV1 Left Dot, Vero X1, proV1) Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 115 in the MGS Speed Challenge TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 The weather in Florida has been terrible. It’s one of the wettest September’s on record - without a tropical storm!!! That’s compared to scores of septembers with tropical systems. The weather has stunk. I’ve had my lesson canceled 4 times in the past 3 weeks. Course and range gave had to close a couple of times. I’ve played twice this month. Labor Day weekend. So I dragged the hitting net out to at least hit sone balls live. Set the rapsodo up this evening and hit 5 8 irons on it, 5 7 woods. Hit them beautifully. I’ve got a lesson scheduled for Friday. Only a 70 percent chance of rain so maybe??? Regardless I’ve made headway 8 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Wilson D7 forged 5-GW - Mamiya recoil 460 R flex SCOR 52, 56 Ping Glide 3.0 Ping Eye 2 grind 58.8 L.A.B. Mezz.1 32.5" Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, revkev said: The weather in Florida has been terrible. It’s one of the wettest September’s on record - without a tropical storm!!! That’s compared to scores of septembers with tropical systems. The weather has stunk. I’ve had my lesson canceled 4 times in the past 3 weeks. Course and range gave had to close a couple of times. I’ve played twice this month. Labor Day weekend. So I dragged the hitting net out to at least hit sone balls live. Set the rapsodo up this evening and hit 5 8 irons on it, 5 7 woods. Hit them beautifully. I’ve got a lesson scheduled for Friday. Only a 70 percent chance of rain so maybe??? Regardless I’ve made headway Hope you get the lesson in. It’s been a tough month. 6 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rickp said: Hope you get the lesson in. It’s been a tough month. Sounds like it was a good time to get a knee replaced. 3 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kenny B said: Sounds like it was a good time to get a knee replaced. I don’t know if there’s ever a good time. But I’m glad it’s done!! 5 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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