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Just came across this on Instagram:

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like they got enough feedback for players wishing to have traditional number system on their irons. The loft will still be on the sole, but all 2017 irons will feature the traditional iron number engraved on the hosel.

 

From their blog, Here's some launch profiles:

 

Low Launch Loft Profile:

20°(#4) / 24°(#5) / 28°(#6) / 32°(#7) / 36°(#8) / 40°(#9) / 44°(PW)

 

Low-Mid Launch Loft Profile:

21°(#4) / 25°(#5) / 29°(#6) / 33°(#7) / 37°(#8) / 41°(#9) / 45°(PW)

 

Mid Launch Loft Profile:

22°(#4) / 26°(#5) / 30°(#6) / 34°(#7) / 38°(#8) / 42°(#9) / 46°(PW)

 

High Launch Loft Profile:

23°(#4) / 27°(#5) / 31°(#6) / 35°(#7) / 39°(#8) / 43°(#9) / 47°(PW)

 

I think it's a good compromise.

 

 

 

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Driver :  :cobra-small: F9 10.5, Accra TZ5 Proto 65 M5 

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Hybrid:  :cobra-small: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+

Irons:   :srixon-small: z585 4i - 6i,  z785 7i-PW, TT DG S300 HS 1x

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I'd have maybe done it the other way around...

 

 

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FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
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Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

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Smart move.  Bad implementation.

 

How would you have retrofit all of the heads already in inventory? 

 

I agree that the implementation is no bueno, but I cannot see another avenue that makes financial sense..


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I have played the Hogans for over a year now.  I am used to having only the loft numbers on the clubs.  In my cart bag, each club has a separate slot, which makes pulling clubs simple.  

Nevertheless, I still tend to think of my 34 degree club as my seven iron, my 52 degree as my pitching wedge, and my 24 degree as my four iron.  If one of my friends asks which club I hit on a par three, I tell them the number, not the loft.    

 

 

Last month, I took a golf trip and used my carry bag.  It has six compartments.  It was a bit unusual of me because I had to think about which club was which--I couldn't just reach in and grab the club like I can with my cart bag.

 

 

 

Next year I am going to Ireland and will use a caddy for each round.  I have wondered how the lofts on the irons would work with a caddy--especially if I have to stop and think about which loft corresponds to which club.  

 

 

I have thought about adding numbers to the heads, but for me it is not worth it day to day.  But I think it is a good thing overall.  I do, however, wonder how the numbers will affect the individual golfers customization of their set.  I have four degree lofts between all my clubs.  But I could see someone having a three degree gap between certain clubs.  Will the golfer have two five irons? 

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Found that once I figured out which club was my 7-iron (the 33*), it was easy after that. Took maybe 2 rounds to learn what club to use when. Really was just an extension of what we do with wedges.

 

Good point about modifications to existing stock - probably easier to out the iron number on the hosel. Wonder if that'll change going forward?

 

If they do, it'll lose the most fun part of playing the Hogans - 145 yards? This looks like a job for the 41 iron! Hey,

 

 

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What's in the bag:
 
Driver:  Sub 70 639D - 9.5; :cleveland-small: Launcher HB Turbo; :mizuno-small: ST 190 
FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

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I think it's a good move overall for the brand, many people seem to be afraid of the loft only. After having them for most of the summer I can say I like the loft on the soles. If for nothing else I know what to tell the club builder to bend them to when I get lofts checked.

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I would rather see the club # stamped on the back of the blade.

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I would just not see the club number at all. That way when your buddy asks you what you just hit on the par 3, you can just say I hit my 34 degree and see the confusion on his face.

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I generally like "old school" type stuff. Including the Hogan brand. However, I never liked the way they only had the loft represented on their irons instead of actual club number. I guess this idea they have come up with now is ok. But for the long term if I had any say I'd ask Hogan go back and stamp the club number and ditch the loft.


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I like the lofts.  I have totally gotten use to play my SCORs at 42, 46, 50, 54, and 58 degrees.  I don't even think about them being a 9i or one of the wedges anymore.  If I played Hogans for my other irons, I wouldn't miss the numbers.


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I'm like an earlier poster with my wedges - If someone asks I'll just call them Gap Wedge, Sand Wedge or Lob Wedge even though I almost never use my 54 out of the sand - it's much easier than going through an explanation.

 

I'm sure that I would do the same if I had Hogans through the bag.

 

However I think they are making a smart move going to numbers.  They are already vying for a niche - by going with the lofts instead of the numbers they make that niche smaller IMO.  In fact I wouldn't have the loft stamped at all - I'd offer the differing lofts in the ordering process but I would only stamp the numbers on.

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This one is weird for me. I personally kind of like the loft son the irons. It does take some time to get used to but I call my 38* my 8 iron for all intents and purposes. I would love if I could run my clubs to Ft Worth and get the number stamped into the back. I think it would look pretty cool. This also seems to be a decent compromise. Loft numbers to keep it unique and to keep up with their "Gaping theory" but traditional numbers to bring in some people who are turned off by the lofts only. 

 

As long as they keep putting out awesome products (Please make an affordable driver or putter) it should be fine. They probably wont compete with the big dogs but they should be able to stay afloat. 

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I just saw this in my email this morning and it made me cringe.  I can't help but feel this is due to Terry Koehler's exit from the President/CEO role, along with pressure to increase profits.  

 

The Hogan line had been reinvented and reinvigorated as a line that was different due to their gapping system, which involved the lofts only on the clubheads.  They should've stuck to their guns.  Based off some of the replies in this thread, we aren't too far away from the company regressing to the norm of offering one iron set with independent lofts.  Apparently different doesn't sell.  

Oh well.  Maybe by the time I can afford to game some Hogans the defunct loft numbers will have decreased in price!


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3 Wood: Callaway X Tour 15*

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I just saw this in my email this morning and it made me cringe.  I can't help but feel this is due to Terry Koehler's exit from the President/CEO role, along with pressure to increase profits.  

 

The Hogan line had been reinvented and reinvigorated as a line that was different due to their gapping system, which involved the lofts only on the clubheads.  They should've stuck to their guns.  Based off some of the replies in this thread, we aren't too far away from the company regressing to the norm of offering one iron set with independent lofts.  Apparently different doesn't sell.  

Oh well.  Maybe by the time I can afford to game some Hogans the defunct loft numbers will have decreased in price!

You must have received a different e-mail than I got this morning.  Here is an excerpt from the one I got:

 

Fort Worth, Texas: The Ben Hogan Golf Equipment Company announced today that it will begin shipping 2017 models of the highly successful FT. WORTHâ„¢ and PTxâ„¢ irons immediately.  The design and composition of the golf clubs will remain virtually unchanged, but the 2017 models will now incorporate the more traditional club head numbering system (#4 iron - Pitching Wedge) tastefully engraved on the hosel.

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Ben Hogan Golf remains committed to custom club-fitting via the PreciseLoftâ„¢ System. Each iron is numbered with its exact loft; between 20 and 47 degrees.  Now, the addition of the 'traditional' iron equivalent on the hosel will make for an easier and more simplified on-course experience for those golfers who found the lofts alone to be unconventional.  "We listened to our customers and consumers, plain and simple" said Scott White, President and CEO of the Ben Hogan Golf Equipment Company.  "The concept behind the PreciseLoftâ„¢ System is valid; consistent 4-degree loft gaps between each iron is just logical.  However, we wanted to make our equipment as user-friendly as possible so we are adding traditional designations to each iron."

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I like this idea. I got use to the lofts on my Ft Worth HI's, but I think this will be a good way to make most happy.


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FW: Sub70 16* 4 wood

Irons:  Sub 70 

699 Pro - 3 Iron (4 iron bent to 20*)

639 CB 4 - 6

639 MB 7 - PW

Wedges:

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Putter: Taylormade Spider
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Really cheapens the look of an otherwise premium club

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:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
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Quick fix I guess for them. I would prefer the numbered irons as standard and loft numbered as a custom order.

 

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Irons:  :srixon-small: Z565 - 7 thru PW & ZU85 - 5 thru 6 with Recoil ZT9 F4 shafts                                            

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Not a fan here. Looks too busy for my liking.

 

 

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Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips.

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