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[TheWahoo]

Thanks Kenny!    

 

Old knees, new parts and we're still having fun playing the game we love.

Happy birthday my friend.   Ya may think ya old, but I have a couple of years on ya.   Yep, the first thing to go on many fellas is their knees.   First the left knee, then the right knee and finally the wee knee.   

[ole gray]

Happy birthday my friend.   Ya may think ya old, but I have a couple of years on ya.   Yep, the first thing to go on many fellas is their knees.   First the left knee, then the right knee and finally the wee knee.   

 

haha Well it was my right knee and wee wee..   My left knee is still good and hopefully it will hold up a few more years.  Now my hip was broke a few years back and it gives me grief now and then. I'm holding on with it too and putting off surgery until it's a must.

 

Thanks for the Birthday wishes !

[ole gray]

I was walking my dog around 3:30 p.m. today and we rarely see other dogs.  When we do they just tend to bark a little and move on. Well today we had round the corner on the last stretch towards home and I notice two good sized dogs running across the yard towards where they live. Normally they are kept in side however today they must of broke out somehow.  Anyways my dog is very protective of me and she is strong as a bull.  One of the dogs which looked like a large pit was thinking about charging us.  Well Roxie raised all kind of hell and almost pulled me down trying to get after it. The big pit starting charging and I said to hell with that and started running with my dog towards the pit which immediately did an about face and hauled arse back up towards it's house. My heart was beating faster than a chicken in a fox pen.  I suppose with me and Roxie looking like a couple of crazy arse non fearful monsters, the dog decided to get the hell out of dodge.  The other dog was a black lab which is not small either but it moved away immediately after Roxie starting her roaring which she really is loud at. Dayuuuummm   I had to come home and slam down a couple shots of wild turkey after that little run in.   

[Kenny B]

I was walking my dog around 3:30 p.m. today and we rarely see other dogs.  When we do they just tend to bark a little and move on. Well today we had round the corner on the last stretch towards home and I notice two good sized dogs running across the yard towards where they live. Normally they are kept in side however today they must of broke out somehow.  Anyways my dog is very protective of me and she is strong as a bull.  One of the dogs which looked like a large pit was thinking about charging us.  Well Roxie raised all kind of hell and almost pulled me down trying to get after it. The big pit starting charging and I said to hell with that and started running with my dog towards the pit which immediately did an about face and hauled arse back up towards it's house. My heart was beating faster than a chicken in a fox pen.  I suppose with me and Roxie looking like a couple of crazy arse non fearful monsters, the dog decided to get the hell out of dodge.  The other dog was a black lab which is not small either but it moved away immediately after Roxie starting her roaring which she really is loud at. Dayuuuummm   I had to come home and slam down a couple shots of wild turkey after that little run in. 

Nice!!  What did Roxie get??  

[ole gray]

Nice!!  What did Roxie get??  

 

She got a nice hug, pork chop, and bone  ..  She's my buddy and sometimes protects me too well.  A Lady was coming out of her drive way walking her dog a couple years back.  The dog started growling and barking like it was going to get us.  Roxie would not have any of that. The problem is while trying to protect me, she knocked my to the ground breaking my hip.   

 

I'm not a small person at 6' 2" and  225 lbs. and she only weighs 92 pounds however she's powerful with a big chest and shoulders. With that said her biggest thing is her heart as she is fearful while protecting her Dad or Mom.  

[ole gray]

I find it interesting that some folks in the golf industry are offended by a incident that they started in the first place.  

[ole gray]

Cutts Benedict teaches at my golf course. I think he needs a good ole fashion attitude adjustment for false assumptions -- Just saying


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[sixcat]

Well, if we are going to rant..............

 

A local school system is making a mistake I am certain it doesn't fully understand and the school children and taxpayers will suffer as a result.  As I have stated in another thread, I have worked in the Civil Engineering industry for a little over 22 years but the current administration isn't willing to listen to the reasoning of my firm so we declined to take on the project more than a year ago.  

 

The school board just approved a request Tuesday to accept bids to put field turf on the football field.  I have a working knowledge of how this process will go and it is a severe misconception that this will be a "one and done" process.  School board has been selling this to the public as a large upfront expense that will virtually never require maintenance or replacement.

 

The issue is, the school property doesn't meet state guidelines for stormwater regulations.  Those will have to be brought up to meet current requirements before necessary permits will be issued for the turf to be installed.  An on-sight stormwater collection, treatment and effluent system is a tremendous expense, not a simple process and requires a tremendous amount maintenance at a significant yearly cost.  Turf is generally guaranteed for 20 years given the school limits use of the field to 500 hours per calendar year.  With varsity, jv and middle school football, soccer and band practice and competitions along with gym class useage, this is impossible to maintain.  The average school system uses these facilities 800-1,000 hours per year.  Thus, effectively cutting the 20 year life expectancy in half. 

 

So, the turf will need to be replaced in 10-12 years.  It is a certainty that state stormwater regulations will also change in that time frame, likely several times.  The stormwater system will have to be brought up to meet the future new requirements at another significant cost before the turf can be replaced.  It becomes a vicious cycle to which every future school board will have to comply.  And all of this is happening in a school district that already has 74% of the student body receiving free or reduced lunch.  The area was largely founded on manufacturing and all of those facilities have closed with the exception of one since the late 90's.  It is a very poor community to say the least.  They cannot afford what they are about to set themselves up for.

 

In my professional opinion, the turf installation will cost a minimum of 750k, the stormwater collection system will cost an additional 750k and yearly maintenance costs will approach 90k.  I should also mention the average grade level population is 94 students.  The entire school system, K-12 has fewer than 1,250 students.  And the population of the community has decreased an average of 1.8% per year since 1990.

 

My wife and I moved our family back to SWVA, where we are both from 10 years ago to help the area recover from lost jobs in manufacturing and the coal industry.  The "brain drain" in Appalachia has been devastating and recovery has been slow.  We are proud of where we are from and want to be helpful in the recovery of the region but this type if misplaced priorities makes me question our choice.

[ole gray]

Well, if we are going to rant..............

 

A local school system is making a mistake I am certain it doesn't fully understand and the school children and taxpayers will suffer as a result.  As I have stated in another thread, I have worked in the Civil Engineering industry for a little over 22 years but the current administration isn't willing to listen to the reasoning of my firm so we declined to take on the project more than a year ago.  

 

The school board just approved a request Tuesday to accept bids to put field turf on the football field.  I have a working knowledge of how this process will go and it is a severe misconception that this will be a "one and done" process.  School board has been selling this to the public as a large upfront expense that will virtually never require maintenance or replacement.

 

The issue is, the school property doesn't meet state guidelines for stormwater regulations.  Those will have to be brought up to meet current requirements before necessary permits will be issued for the turf to be installed.  An on-sight stormwater collection, treatment and effluent system is a tremendous expense, not a simple process and requires a tremendous amount maintenance at a significant yearly cost.  Turf is generally guaranteed for 20 years given the school limits use of the field to 500 hours per calendar year.  With varsity, jv and middle school football, soccer and band practice and competitions along with gym class useage, this is impossible to maintain.  The average school system uses these facilities 800-1,000 hours per year.  Thus, effectively cutting the 20 year life expectancy in half. 

 

So, the turf will need to be replaced in 10-12 years.  It is a certainty that state stormwater regulations will also change in that time frame, likely several times.  The stormwater system will have to be brought up to meet the future new requirements at another significant cost before the turf can be replaced.  It becomes a vicious cycle to which every future school board will have to comply.  And all of this is happening in a school district that already has 74% of the student body receiving free or reduced lunch.  The area was largely founded on manufacturing and all of those facilities have closed with the exception of one since the late 90's.  It is a very poor community to say the least.  They cannot afford what they are about to set themselves up for.

 

In my professional opinion, the turf installation will cost a minimum of 750k, the stormwater collection system will cost an additional 750k and yearly maintenance costs will approach 90k.  I should also mention the average grade level population is 94 students.  The entire school system, K-12 has fewer than 1,250 students.  And the population of the community has decreased an average of 1.8% per year since 1990.

 

My wife and I moved our family back to SWVA, where we are both from 10 years ago to help the area recover from lost jobs in manufacturing and the coal industry.  The "brain drain" in Appalachia has been devastating and recovery has been slow.  We are proud of where we are from and want to be helpful in the recovery of the region but this type if misplaced priorities makes me question our choice.

 

Was the public ever given the opportunity to vote for such a huge endeavor? Sounds like this should have been put on the local ballot.

[sixcat]

Was the public ever given the opportunity to vote for such a huge endeavor? Sounds like this should have been put on the local ballot.

Another issue with this community, in my opinion.  School board positions are filled by "appointment" from the county Board of Supervisors.  The are not elected positions like virtually every other locality in the country. 

 

When we first looked into the project more than a year ago, we couldn't find a single school board member that had been replaced who sought reappointment going back to the 1960's.  We also found no Board of Supervisor member who sought reelection that failed to be reelected.  So, it's a virtual "lifetime" appointment for those members who choose to remain on school board.  This creates a sense of disconnection between the Board of Supervisors, school board and the general public.  The population of this community is roughly 9,000, yet, average fewer than 250 voters per election cycle. Obviously the community feels like they have no voice.   

 

The feedback we received from the average citizen was along the lines of, "they are going to do what they want no matter what we say, so what's the point". 

 

Edit to answer your question, two public hearings were held in November with little to no turnout.  

[ole gray]

Another issue with this community, in my opinion. School board positions are filled by "appointment" from the county Board of Supervisors. The are not elected positions like virtually every other locality in the country.

 

When we first looked into the project more than a year ago, we couldn't find a single school board member that had been replaced who sought reappointment going back to the 1960's. We also found no Board of Supervisor member who sought reelection that failed to be reelected. So, it's a virtual "lifetime" appointment for those members who choose to remain on school board. This creates a sense of disconnection between the Board of Supervisors, school board and the general public. The population of this community is roughly 9,000, yet, average fewer than 250 voters per election cycle. Obviously the community feels like they have no voice.

 

The feedback we received from the average citizen was along the lines of, "they are going to do what they want no matter what we say, so what's the point".

 

Edit to answer your question, two public hearings were held in November with little to no turnout.

Man that sucks big time !

 

 

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[sixcat]

Man that sucks big time !

 

 

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What's worse, while researching the community, the same 3 or 4 surname's are repeated over and over with Board of Supervisors and school board members going back to the 60's.

[Kenny B]

Another issue with this community, in my opinion.  School board positions are filled by "appointment" from the county Board of Supervisors.  The are not elected positions like virtually every other locality in the country. 

 

When we first looked into the project more than a year ago, we couldn't find a single school board member that had been replaced who sought reappointment going back to the 1960's.  We also found no Board of Supervisor member who sought reelection that failed to be reelected.  So, it's a virtual "lifetime" appointment for those members who choose to remain on school board.  This creates a sense of disconnection between the Board of Supervisors, school board and the general public.  The population of this community is roughly 9,000, yet, average fewer than 250 voters per election cycle. Obviously the community feels like they have no voice.   

 

The feedback we received from the average citizen was along the lines of, "they are going to do what they want no matter what we say, so what's the point". 

 

Edit to answer your question, two public hearings were held in November with little to no turnout.  

Sounds like taxation without representation.  There should be a way for citizens to put a recall measure on a ballot.  

[sixcat]

I shouldn't care.  I don't live in this community and my children aren't in the school system.  But this region as a whole has to work as a collective unit to survive going forward.  The past two decades have been devastating economically.  This type of destructive behavior isn't going to help recovery.

 

Some communities are working together creating necessary infrastructure improvements that are attracting such facilities as major distribution centers like Amazon and Wal-Mart.  I am just fearful that something like this will detract from the gains that have been made over the past few years.  

[fozcycle]

Thanks partner for the Happy Birthday!  66 years old today

 

 

 

 

Happy Birthday ole gray!  You are 4 days younger than me.........As I am retiring next week, maybe we can get together for a round in 2017.

[MattF]

I find it interesting that some folks in the golf industry are offended by a incident that they started in the first place.

 

To be fair, it was escalated, IMO, the wrong way.

[ole gray]

Happy Birthday ole gray! You are 4 days younger than me.........As I am retiring next week, maybe we can get together for a round in 2017.

Yea I'm hoping we can get er done 🏻.

 

Hmmmmm I was born on Nov 29, 1950 and you were born December 25th?

 

 

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[ole gray]

To be fair, it was escalated, IMO, the wrong way.

Yea and that's putting it mildly!

 

 

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[Severtheties]

Yea and that's putting it mildly!

 

 

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I'm confused....

[ole gray]

I'm confused....

Let's just say some of the big boys of the golf industry had their panties in a wad on Twitter last evening.

 

 

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