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Interesting. I'm still waiting to see the massive difference in ball speed many were talking about before this thing launched. I get what Epic is about, but most guys who go for a fitting seem to get REALLY good (and consistent) numbers from it, but not a dramatic increase in ball speed, which to me was supposed to be the "ground breaking technology" from Jailbreak. Just curious on if anyone has a different take than that?

Yeah, I didn't get huge increases on each swing, just 2 mph average, but my highest measured with my M1 was 158, with the Epic SZ it was 162. What I've seen, additionally, are the accuracy and consistency gains. Anyway, Lord knows each of us could be fitted to a thousand different drivers and some would respond better to some vs others.

 

 

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Yesterday, using my Gamegolf tracking device, I got new long drive record of 316 with the EPIC SZ. Yes, the wind was helping, about 8 mph, but it felt like I crushed it and it flew forever. I do love this driver.

 

 

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Interested in seeing how the performance of this club goes as the season wears on. It seems legit at this point, but I'm excited for the MGS members to get some time with them and give us some feedback!

Ditto. Seems like the guys who drive it really well are kinda split - either very definite improvement or just 'meh', can't justify it. With a few 'not for me'.

 

Also curious as to the ultimate opinion of a wider range of players. Or is the target market only the better player? (Of course for the SZ it is, but is the 'regular' Epic suitable for average players?)

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Ditto. Seems like the guys who drive it really well are kinda split - either very definite improvement or just 'meh', can't justify it. With a few 'not for me'.

 

Also curious as to the ultimate opinion of a wider range of players. Or is the target market only the better player? (Of course for the SZ it is, but is the 'regular' Epic suitable for average players?)

 

From what I read, the Epic SZ is very forgiving. I spent some time with the head, and while I hit some fantastic drives, I couldn't seem to keep it from going right. Some background is that I played the XR16 Pro last year, and sit somewhere around a 16 handicap. I could have definitely played the Epic SZ, but I'm just more comfortable with the XR16 Pro.

 

I think it all depends on your swing, but personally, I don't know if I'd push the Epic SZ only toward better players. 

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From what I read, the Epic SZ is very forgiving. I spent some time with the head, and while I hit some fantastic drives, I couldn't seem to keep it from going right. Some background is that I played the XR16 Pro last year, and sit somewhere around a 16 handicap. I could have definitely played the Epic SZ, but I'm just more comfortable with the XR16 Pro.

 

I think it all depends on your swing, but personally, I don't know if I'd push the Epic SZ only toward better players.

 

I dunno how your getting that thing to go right but fair enough.

I'm 100% with you about the SZ being forgiving. Its definitely worth anyone checking out.

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I am a 3 handicap struggle a bit with the driver. I'm only averaging about 260 with the roll. So I'm kind of in the market for a driver. Went to a local golf shop and tried new epic new m2 new titleist and epic sub zero. Hit all the drivers the same about 240 carry except 1. The epic sub zero i hit 260 carry under 3000 rpm. And very accurate. Trying to get the money together now before the outdoor season it's a winner

 

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I dunno how your getting that thing to go right but fair enough.

I'm 100% with you about the SZ being forgiving. Its definitely worth anyone checking out.

Think it was partially from not swinging a lot during the winter and limited rounds. Even despite that though, I had better success with the XR16 Pro

 

 

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I've played a Ping Rapture for 7 years now and I finally caved and bought a brand new Epic (got fitted) and he driver is crazy good, ball speed is up and distance is 15 yards longer. This is the first year I've bought a newer model piece of equipment and I am glad I did, the driver plays awesome and looks even better! That being said, I'm a club junkie and I'm always looking for new deals!!!

 

 

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For those who have bagged or demo'd the GBB Epic (non-SZ version) are you seeing a similar draw bias compared to the previous GBB driver?  From what I've read of the prior GBB model it was very draw biased.  Wondering if the Epic sets up the same way or if it's a bit more neutral.

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For those who have bagged or demo'd the GBB Epic (non-SZ version) are you seeing a similar draw bias compared to the previous GBB driver?  From what I've read of the prior GBB model it was very draw biased.  Wondering if the Epic sets up the same way or if it's a bit more neutral.

Can't remember hitting the GBB but both liked to turn over for me. The Cally heads seem to be more draw biased the last couple of years. At least from my findings. The Epic was a very solid driver though, definitely worth hitting. 

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I took my Epic out for the first time this weekend.  The Golf ball reached places that it has never seen before in the fairway. My miss is left, didn't yank one left all round.........

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I took my Epic out for the first time this weekend.  The Golf ball reached places that it has never seen before in the fairway. My miss is left, didn't yank one left all round.........

You go with the regular or SZ? 

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You go with the regular or SZ? 

I have both.  Well,  the Regular EPIC with Fuji shaft, and a just the Sub Zero head..

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I have both.  Well,  the Regular EPIC with Fuji shaft, and a just the Sub Zero head.

Which do you prefer so far? Assuming you've swapped out the shaft and put it in both anyway. 

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Which do you prefer so far? Assuming you've swapped out the shaft and put it in both anyway. 

 

Going to play with the SZ this weekend with the same shaft.  Regular Epic is performing nicely though,  Hit 7-8 fairways, nice baby cut......

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Going to play with the SZ this weekend with the same shaft.  Regular Epic is performing nicely though,  Hit 7-8 fairways, nice baby cut......

I'm gonna hit it again soon and hopefully I will have similar results to you.

There is a demo outside in a couple of weeks where I plan on hitting everything. We'll see if I can get it to play to my normal shot shape outside vs inside. I have a tendency to hit draws on a launch monitor anyway (I'm weird, I know). 

Also I noticed that Callaway has increased their stock shaft offerings for the Epic line recently. This was my biggest gripe about it when it first came out. 

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I'm gonna hit it again soon and hopefully I will have similar results to you.

There is a demo outside in a couple of weeks where I plan on hitting everything. We'll see if I can get it to play to my normal shot shape outside vs inside. I have a tendency to hit draws on a launch monitor anyway (I'm weird, I know). 

Also I noticed that Callaway has increased their stock shaft offerings for the Epic line recently. This was my biggest gripe about it when it first came out. 

 

The results that stood out to most hen I got fitted was when I felt that I pushed the ball.  Every time I called out 'short" and expected 250-260 total yards, numbers kept coming back 280-287.  Granted that this might not translate to something good on a course,  (I'd take 250 smack middle in the fairway over 280 pushed to the right in the woods)  We shall see how it plays out,  so far I am impressed....

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The results that stood out to most hen I got fitted was when I felt that I pushed the ball.  Every time I called out 'short" and expected 250-260 total yards, numbers kept coming back 280-287.  Granted that this might not translate to something good on a course,  (I'd take 250 smack middle in the fairway over 280 pushed to the right in the woods)  We shall see how it plays out,  so far I am impressed....

I definitely agree with you there as well. My bad ones weren't horrific. I had many a shot where I said, "that's going nowhere," and it ended up only being 5-10 yards shorter than my good strikes. One of my longest was one I caught a little high and on the toe and said "there's a massive hook." Nope, left center of the fairway and pushing 340. I was VERY pleasantly surprised with the forgiveness. 

 

Keep us updated. I think the demo I'm going to is on the 24th. 

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I definitely agree with you there as well. My bad ones weren't horrific. I had many a shot where I said, "that's going nowhere," and it ended up only being 5-10 yards shorter than my good strikes. One of my longest was one I caught a little high and on the toe and said "there's a massive hook." Nope, left center of the fairway and pushing 340. I was VERY pleasantly surprised with the forgiveness. 

 

Keep us updated. I think the demo I'm going to is on the 24th. 

 

Will do, let us know how it goes on your side too.

 

Ps. I did manage to pull one during the fitting, expecting a QUACK, but it was only 17 yards left off line, then 317 yards popped up (haha)....  On a good ball strike,  hit 2 at 297 but most of it was in the 287 - 295 range.  Hopefully it carries over to the golf course,

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Will do, let us know how it goes on your side too.

 

Ps. I did manage to pull one during the fitting, expecting a QUACK, but it was only 17 yards left off line, then 317 yards popped up (haha)....  On a good ball strike,  hit 2 at 297 but most of it was in the 287 - 295 range.  Hopefully it carries over to the golf course,

It does seem to be a very consistent stick. I complain of it turning over but it wasnt like they were bad drives. It was scary consistent for someone who plays a fade. All turned over and few hooked but those that did were playable. I just have a hard time talking myself into a club that does the opposite of everything else in my bag.

Although if i learn to trust it, i guess it doesn't matter.

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