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You are so right Cnosil! Bruce is one of the best, anywhere. Known Bruce since he was the tech advisor for PuttLab and as you would know, a great person. I trust Bruce with any information, when you were the head pro for Arnold Palmer for twenty years it speaks volumes.

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I could certainly see people with "zero experience" and more than likely "zero knowledge" thinking this could be better than what is offered in the custom boutique scene. Custom is really custom, Ping really isn't the same thing in this case.

Yup - I have zero knowledge

 

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There's a few names that are worth their salt. T.P. Mills isn't even in the conversation. That company is legendary. Gene Nead has done some cool things with the mokume and the balancing (don't know wneough about that to know if it means anything, but cool nonetheless), past that I question everything else. There's more to making a putter than machining some metal.

 

Side note, no CNC'ed Putter compares to a T.P. Mills handmade.

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I think they're a little high at $600 and I bet they probably could have done this for $400 or even less. With that said I'd rather trust the track record of PING putters, especially with the success of models such as the Ketsch in recent years. I'd go with a PING before I experimented with any supposed better boutique market options.

See thats my thing too.  I am sure that there are several really great guys that have small boutique shops that probably build a great putter.  But I personally would rather have one that says Ping on it for several reasons, and only one is because of my OCD.  I have purchased several items off eBay that Ping has done repairs on.  Technically they don't have to do anything with a second hand item. Its one of those things that they are a company that stands behind their products, and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  The boutique guy, could get a job offer in a machine shop that he can't refuse and then suddenly he no longer has enough time to work on, build or repair his putters.  

Or he could just not be making enough money to keep doing it and has to go find a real job.  (this is the most likely scenario)

 

Im not in anyway saying that they are not the way to go, just not the way I would personally go.  Like I said in an earlier post, if this was the right putter head, or a customizable putter head, I would have already told them to shut up and take my money.  

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Form vs Function.  Do you want a beautiful piece of art or a tool to get the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes?

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Some valid points here. Contracts and equipment are a very separate issue. Money talks for these players. Some I know have played boutique putters on tour and then the money comes in.

Nothing wrong with Ping, my first putter in 1999 was a Ping Anser2 IsoForce that was fantastic and they have a rich history.

But, how many here have actually owned a boutique putter? There are a few people here that I know have and do own these putters. They understand, for the others; try one out that is made for you and please let me know.

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Pro's just like amateurs can be equipment junkies and play equipment that may not be the best for their games.  Ignoring pay to play,  they do it for the same reason that I read in posts everyday...it looks good to my eye or it feels good. 

 

The advantage to boutique putter makers is that they will make you a quality product that fits your stroke and provides the best possible performance.  With an OEM,  the amateur player has to choose from what is available off the rack.  

 

If this program were to allow me to change design features like hosel, offset,  where the shaft intersects the head, and head weight, it might be a different story because that gets you into the price range of small putter makers that will build the putter to suit your needs.   

 

In the end you have the final decision on how to spend your money.  

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Some valid points here. Contracts and equipment are a very separate issue. Money talks for these players. Some I know have played boutique putters on tour and then the money comes in.

Nothing wrong with Ping, my first putter in 1999 was a Ping Anser2 IsoForce that was fantastic and they have a rich history.

But, how many here have actually owned a boutique putter? There are a few people here that I know have and do own these putters. They understand, for the others; try one out that is made for you and please let me know.

I have. It's a crap shoot. I received a custom boutique putter (won't name names) with a sweet spot an inch and a half from the center of the face.

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Pro's just like amateurs can be equipment junkies and play equipment that may not be the best for their games. Ignoring pay to play, they do it for the same reason that I read in posts everyday...it looks good to my eye or it feels good.

 

The advantage to boutique putter makers is that they will make you a quality product that fits your stroke and provides the best possible performance. With an OEM, the amateur player has to choose from what is available off the rack.

 

If this program were to allow me to change design features like hosel, offset, where the shaft intersects the head, and head weight, it might be a different story because that gets you into the price range of small putter makers that will build the putter to suit your needs.

 

In the end you have the final decision on how to spend your money.

Unless you are being fit for this putter in house, or at a fitting location. I don't see how ordering a putter from a small guy online is any different than walking into a store and picking one up.
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Some of the small shops are amazing. If I was buying another custom putter it would be made by Byron Morgan. Cool cat who makes great putters. That's why I have six of them.

 

I've had bad bad putters from small shops too though. Got to be careful. Not going to name names but just know that CNC access does not make you a master craftsman like Gene Nead or David Mills.

 

As for ping. The Vault Anser 2 is spectacular. One of my favorite to roll in a long time, regardless of maker. I think that influences my take on the PLD1. Customization and Vault pedigree adds up to so much goodness. Maybe it doesn't have the blood sweat and tears of the small shop, but it's badass.

 

$500 on these and I bet they would already be gone. Hopefully I get my hands on one so I can pass along first hand info.

 

 

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Unless you are bein fit for this putter in house, or at a fitting location. I don't see how ordering a putter from a small guy online is any different than walking into a store and picking one up.

 

Never said fitting wasn't important.  if you just want basic anser/newport/newport 2/8802/#9 type look and don't care about things like offset or particular neck placement then just buy OEM.  If you are following that approach,  you probably are picking a putter largely by how it looks and feels.

 

However, based on my fitting,  there were certain aspects of a putter that I was looking for and there were no OEMs that make what I needed.   

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There really isn't an argument here. Putting is so individual. If you're a good putter, you can duct tape a soda can to a stick and roll putts in all day. If you are an awful putter, there won't be a difference between a $1500 boutique or $15 Kmart putter.

 

 

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There really isn't an argument here. Putting is so individual. If you're a good putter, you can duct tape a soda can to a stick and roll putts in all day. If you are an awful putter, there won't be a difference between a $1500 boutique or $15 Kmart putter.

 

 

Agree that cost of the putter doesn't indicate how well you will putt.   A good putter may be able to putt well with any putter, but it may not be optimized to their stroke and therefore they might be able to be a better putt with the right putter.  As you said putting is individual and based on the individuals choices optimal putting cannot be obtained until you find a putter that fits those choices.

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Some valid points here. Contracts and equipment are a very separate issue. Money talks for these players. Some I know have played boutique putters on tour and then the money comes in.

Nothing wrong with Ping, my first putter in 1999 was a Ping Anser2 IsoForce that was fantastic and they have a rich history.

But, how many here have actually owned a boutique putter? There are a few people here that I know have and do own these putters. They understand, for the others; try one out that is made for you and please let me know.

I get your point, and its completely valid.  Bettinardi i guess is too big to be considered boutique anymore, but I have several friends who have his putters.  Only 1 of them still plays it.  and he took it out of the bag for a while (but thats not really a good comparison as he has 35 putters at the house)  

 

The Ping IsoForce was a great design.  Patent must have ran out, as Edel (i think) is making one that is almost identical.  I had a Darby from the original WRX line and then a couple of the production line models 

To me, Ping is still more boutique compared to the big guys.  But they don't do all the options.  I come from the music industry, and there were boutique guitar builders that could do some amazing things with pieces of wood and a set of Seymour Duncan Pickups...  But most of them that I knew are gone less than 10 years later.  But the Jackson Charvel Custom shop (now owned by Fender) is still doing them.  They don't have an unlimited options, but they can and still build pretty much anything you want.  But it will cost you probably double what it will at a small builder.  but a lifetime warranty for the original owner that will more than likely outlast the original owner is pretty bitchin'

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Truth be told; I'm not concerned in the least with what anyone uses but do hope they are happy with their choice. But, to discount the custom boutique putter when there might be three or more here that actually know about what it brings and then the non-believers base their opinion on no firsthand experience and likely limited knowledge speaks volumes. If you are truly interested, look into PutterTalk. You will learn a lot and maybe your opinion will be changed.

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Truth be told; I'm not concerned in the least with what anyone uses but do hope they are happy with their choice. But, to discount the custom boutique putter when there might be three or more here that actually know about what it brings and then the non-believers base their opinion on no firsthand experience and likely limited knowledge speaks volumes. If you are truly interested, look into PutterTalk. You will learn a lot and maybe your opinion will be changed.

I have first hand knowledge. My experience has been 50-50.

 

It's a little unseemly to link to another forum from here, imo.

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Well, I will take your word on your knowledge etc. :) Others here actually are involved in it, much more than you I would imagine and one of them was actually interviewed by a major golf magazine on the custom putter scene. As far as links go; I do not see one. What I do see, is another place where the information is readily available to anyone, including you. PT is very niche orientated and certainly is not in competition with MGS. I would imagine if there was a problem with mentioning PutterTalk, I would have heard about it.

Not much for me to say that hasn't already  been said before, other than if you really are interested in this go and delve in, you might be surprised what you will learn. All of us are constantly learning new things, you can to. :)

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Well, I will take your word on your knowledge etc. :) Others here actually are involved in it, much more than you I would imagine and one of them was actually interviewed by a major golf magazine on the custom putter scene. As far as links go; I do not see one. What I do see, is another place where the information is readily available to anyone, including you. PT is very niche orientated and certainly is not in competition with MGS. I would imagine if there was a problem with mentioning PutterTalk, I would have heard about it.

Not much for me to say that hasn't already been said before, other than if you really are interested in this go and delve in, you might be surprised what you will learn. All of us are constantly learning new things, you can to. :)

The coincidence here is that you have to take someone's word that a $500 boutique putter will even perform. The original argument here is that ping brings a reputation of performance to the custom scene that many boutique brands lack.

 

You'd be surprised just how much knowledge others have!

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