Clemsonfan Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 In this video at MGS HQ, Adam states that black putter shafts outperform steel shafts. Is there a link to this study, or thread? I cannot find it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v18_i_SByu0 Right around the 16:00 mark. Very interested in the EVNRoll putters which prompted this search. Thank you in advance for steering me in the right direction. Jeff Titleist 915D2 9.5 set at A4 Tour Exotics CB2 15* Rogue Pro Irons 5-Aw 2* flat Vokey SM6 56* S and 60* K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I don't think it's ever been an actual article or MGS labs. Just something mentioned in that video. It would make a great MGS labs test though! Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted January 16, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted January 16, 2017 We have not published an article on this yet. Basically how this came about was GolfSpy_Dave had completed some putter testing and I was having him look deeper in to some of the data he collected. Kind of a discovery process we like to do after we complete our tests. There is almost always some amazing things we learn from this type of research. Sometimes we apply it to our knowledge base and sometimes it is just an interesting tidbit that need more exploration. This is one of those times. Right now it is something both Dave has seen and we have seen as well. But until we do a bigger study we will not know for sure. #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 This is interesting. Maybe I'll make more putts now. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808nation Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Definitely interested in hearing if black shafts make you putt better. What about black irons shafts, can I hit better iron shot with black shafts I definitely need help with that. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using MyGolfSpy mobile app WITB: Driver: Sim2 Max w/ Fujikura Motore X F3 shaft FW Wood: F9 wood 14.5* Hybrids: Sim2 Max 3 Hybrid & Vapor Flex 4 hybrid Irons: Z565 - 7 thru PW & ZU85 - 5 thru 6 with Recoil ZT9 F4 shafts Wedges: RTX4 52*, 56*, 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron M2 Newport Ball: Black & Pro V1 Bag: 2018 MyGolfSpy stand Bag & 2021 Greenside Golf stand bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 And to think yesterday, I almost pulled the trigger on black shafts for my irons, Decided not too at the last min. Damn it! ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If anyone's interested, Here's a link to a DIY black putter shafting option from GolfSpyMeyer https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/17997-diy-black-putter-shaft-or-other-colors/page-1 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockit_Sauce Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 i love the way they look. i saw an all black putter with a black shaft and black grip on ebay last night (dont remember what brand), and the thing just looked so cool Tour Edge Exotics XLD Nickent 4DX 4 Wood Tour Edge Exotics XCG6 3 & 4 Hybrids Precept Tour Premium CB 5-PW Maxfli A10 Tour Limited 5-PW Nickent Arc Forged 50-54-58 Nickent Tour Prototype MP/03 Ogio Grom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 In this video at MGS HQ, Adam states that black putter shafts outperform steel shafts. Is there a link to this study, or thread? I cannot find it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v18_i_SByu0 Right around the 16:00 mark. Very interested in the EVNRoll putters which prompted this search. Thank you in advance for steering me in the right direction. Jeff Jeff, where are you located? I see you are in upstate SC, well you can't get to much farther upstate than I am. I am located in Fort Mill. I play the majority of my golf at Springfield golf club. I looked for a welcoming post in the introduce yourself thread but didn't see anything so I thought I would ask here, and welcome to the forum. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Maybe it is time to dust off the murdered out TP Mills that my wife got for me.... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Maybe it is time to dust off the murdered out TP Mills that my wife got for me.... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ooooo, would love to see pictures of that Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Ball Markers Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Ooooo, would love to see pictures of that Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Me too! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy http://www.instagram.com/libertyballmarkers/ http://www.birdie-bomb.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 We have not published an article on this yet. Basically how this came about was GolfSpy_Dave had completed some putter testing and I was having him look deeper in to some of the data he collected. Kind of a discovery process we like to do after we complete our tests. There is almost always some amazing things we learn from this type of research. Sometimes we apply it to our knowledge base and sometimes it is just an interesting tidbit that need more exploration. This is one of those times. Right now it is something both Dave has seen and we have seen as well. But until we do a bigger study we will not know for sure. Seems like this could tie in nicely with the data Ping found in the eye tracking article. A black shaft maybe doesn't pull your eyes away from where they should be focused. Similar to why they moved their shaft labels. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Ooooo, would love to see pictures of that Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I will take a few when I get home tonight. It is a proto for a new finish David was working on and have 1 of the 2 that were done. It is a great stick and almost too pretty to take out on the course. Almost. WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I just put a black shaft on my Cleveland 2135 8.0 with a SuperStroker 2.0 XL. Looks great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I just put a black shaft on my Cleveland 2135 8.0 with a SuperStroker 2.0 XL. Looks great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Looking to get fit for an Edel Brick with black shaft next time I'm in civilization. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 A few pics of my TP Mills that were requested. Apologies for the crappy pics all I have is my phone at the moment. And being a large gentleman and having a putter named Fatso is kind of appropriate. Funny part is my wife almost sent it back to David when she saw the cavity stamping figuring it would hurt my feelings. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherKee Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It's always good to start out a putter with a clean slate. I've found having a simple flat black putter shaft with no labels or distractions can improve your putting. It helps kee you eye focused more on the putter head or your spot. FST makes a really good Flat Black .370 putter shaft I like to use in all my putters (no double bends). It's only $13 from Golfworks so it's relatively cheap and it has a really good feel to it. If you're playing Scotty's you'll need to get one from somewhere like Putter lounge since Cameron takes a .355 shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherKee Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I just put a black shaft on my Cleveland 2135 8.0 with a SuperStroker 2.0 XL. Looks great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I think I'm going to order that putter head and give it a roll. Looks interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I think I'm going to order that putter head and give it a roll. Looks interesting.The head is fantastic. I'm actually using the shaft from Golfworks that you mentioned and it looks great but it has given the putter a different feel than the stock shaft. It seems to be firmer to me. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 IMG_4490.JPGIMG_4491.JPGIMG_4492.JPGIMG_4493.JPG Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I have the 2135 1.0 and have been wanting to do this as well. What size shaft do I need? I can't seem to find the tip diameter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I have the 2135 1.0 and have been wanting to do this as well. What size shaft do I need? I can't seem to find the tip diameter. I just called Cleveland to get the diameter, but it is a .370 on the 1.0 as well as the 8.0. It looks great but it will change the feel. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm gonna take it out on Friday for the first time on the real greens and see how I do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Did you reshaft it yourself? I'm assuming it's just a matter of heating up, pulling the head, and inserting the new one with adhesive? I do my own grips, just never had the chance to do a shaft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherKee Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The head is fantastic. I'm actually using the shaft from Golfworks that you mentioned and it looks great but it has given the putter a different feel than the stock shaft. It seems to be firmer to me. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy FST plays a touch firm till you hit the 360g head mark then they feel perfect. I play at 365g and that's how I ended up with them. Used to play True Temper stepless. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 FST plays a touch firm till you hit the 360g head mark then they feel perfect. I play at 365g and that's how I ended up with them. Used to play True Temper stepless. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Well the head I'm using now comes in at 405g. Too heavy? It's like hitting a completely different putter. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Did you reshaft it yourself? I'm assuming it's just a matter of heating up, pulling the head, and inserting the new one with adhesive? I do my own grips, just never had the chance to do a shaft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nah I took it to the PGA Superstore and they did it for $15. I brought the shaft with me. I'm not skilled enough nor trust myself working on my own stuff. I wish I was. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The head is fantastic. I'm actually using the shaft from Golfworks that you mentioned and it looks great but it has given the putter a different feel than the stock shaft. It seems to be firmer to me. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy That Cleveland 8.0 looks awesome. Like a fatter blade myself. Do you use the counterweight in the grip or just a super heavy head? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 That Cleveland 8.0 looks awesome. Like a fatter blade myself. Do you use the counterweight in the grip or just a super heavy head? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I didn't put the weight in the grip just yet. The head is quite heavy and I'm gonna see how I do without the weight. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street11 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Gonna keep the shaft. Played this morning and putted great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Z765 (Project X HRZDUS Yellow 6.0 63g) Z45 (Kuro Kage stiff flex 70g) U65 20* (Miyazaki X-stiff) VR Pro Combo 4-PW (Project X PXI 6.5) Engage wedges 52* 58* 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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