hckymeyer Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It seems like 2017 is going to be the year BOA finally takes off in the US market. They have been very prominent overseas in golf for a years, but prior to this season it's only been a few models from FJ and Adidas in the US. Now we have UA, ECCO, FJ, Adidas, & Nike with BOA and Puma with Disc. The cost adder seems to range from $20 - $50. I got my first pair of shoes with BOA last season. Since then I've added 2 more and it would take a lot for me to purchase another pair of shoes without it. The ease of getting your shoes on and off plus the ability to dial in the perfect snug-ness is a no brainer for me. It's kind of one of those "you don't know you need it until you try it" ideas. A lot of people seem to ask why would I pay more for the same shoe? But once you try it it's hard to imagine having to tie my laces again. So BOA/Disc, Yay or Nay? Also what's your cost adder threshold? At $20 I'm buying BOA, at $50 I'm looking at a different model shoe. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Right with you. Have 2 pairs of FJs. Don't think I'll tie another lace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeSmails Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I have never tried anything w/ BOA.....my question is, how durable is it? like, if it breaks are you throwing a $200 pair of shoes in the trash because you can't just replace the laces? The 'strings' that it uses look pretty thin. They seem like a great idea though, I"m sure would be comfortable Driver: TR20 10.5* Hybrids: Epic SuperHybrid 3 18* Epic 4h 23* Irons: JPX900 Hot Metal 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 52* 56* 60* Putter: EV8 Ball: Tour BXS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 I have never tried anything w/ BOA.....my question is, how durable is it? like, if it breaks are you throwing a $200 pair of shoes in the trash because you can't just replace the laces? The 'strings' that it uses look pretty thin. They seem like a great idea though, I"m sure would be comfortable Pound for pound that lace is stronger than tank armor. BOA also guarantee's the lace and dial for life. Good info on the BOA website here. Why BOA? BOA FAQ's Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeSmails Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Pound for pound that lace is stronger than tank armor. BOA also guarantee's the lace and dial for life. Good info on the BOA website here. Why BOA? BOA FAQ's Very nice, thanks for that......I don't know that I would go out of my way to get a pair with them, but certainly wouldn't shy away from it...thanks for the info Driver: TR20 10.5* Hybrids: Epic SuperHybrid 3 18* Epic 4h 23* Irons: JPX900 Hot Metal 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 52* 56* 60* Putter: EV8 Ball: Tour BXS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dru_ Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Alright, I'll be the odd man here. I have used the BOA enclosures off and on for years on bike cleats and on some run shoes.I love the idea. I hate the implementation. But why!??!?!The answer is both simple, and complex. The simple version is, uneven pressure. The more complex answer is that one of the core features of the BOA system, is the very same feature that makes them unlivable after a while. The steel cable and disc do not allow any stretch or give, and require manual adjustments as your feet swell during activity. I know, that is the idea right? In theory, it sounds great, but every foot swells during activity. If you are playing golf, your feet will swell as much as a .25 of a size during a typical round. With the BOA, that means you are either releasing and resetting them, or, restricting blood flow (leading to long term discomfort). Interestingly, even traditional laces have this problem, and it is one of the reasons so many shoes use such short lace patterns. There are options, and you'll find that many runners swear by them. I'm one of them. Yankz and Lock-Laces. Both operate on the same continuous lace idea behind BOA. Instead of the disc, they use a pull and pressure lock. What is different, is that instead of a static lace like fiber, or even the BOA steel laces, they use elastic, bungie style laces that provide a strong enclosure, while still allowing enough give to allow the foot to swell, without creating too much compression. I use them in almost all of my shoes these days, but oddly enough, on my cycling shoes, I've gone back to velcro and ratchet enclosures for most of my riding, and only use the BOA's on my short day shoes (under 2 hours). Dru - Owner, President & Janitor, Druware Software Designs RH 13.1 Handicap in soggy Georgia WITB * 1W 10.5* @ PXG 0211 ( HZRDUS Smoke Black X-Stiff ) * 3W PXG 0211 ( HZRDUS Smoke Black X-Stiff ) * 5W 18* Tailor-made AeroBurner ( Stock Stiff ) * 7W Sub70 949x ( HZRDUS Smoke Black X-Stiff ) * 5i-PW @ PXG 0211 ( Gen 1 ) * 52 @ Hogan Equalizer * 56 @ Sub70 * 60 @ Hogan Equalizer * Carbon Ringo 1/4 * Vice Pro Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskanski Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Tried them but I can't see any real advantage to the dial system. If it has any real disadvantage, it tends to be counterintuitive when you put your shoes on - and the dial catches on the cuffs of your trousers (pants) more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Z Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yay. I love BOA, but only have one pair with it. Its been hard to find without spending more than I care to for a pair of shoes. Hopefully as it becomes more popular it will be on shoes not at the very top end of the spectrum. As to durability, the pair I have (and have had them for 4 years) have held up great. I walk a lot and used them for a year and a half that way. After they decided to leak, I started using them as practice only shoes. They have a lot of steps and swings on them. They are about done now, but the BOA system is still perfectly operational. I think the strings are a vinyl wrapped cable. WITB:Driver Ping Anser 8.5 deg Diamana 'ahina X3 Wood Adams LS Stock S or TM 14 deg MiniDriver stock SIrons Ben Hogan FW 15 KBS Tour V SWedges Ben Hogan TK 15 KBS Tour V SPutter Nike Method ConceptLaunch Monitor: SkyTrak Play Right-handed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I have never tried any BOAs, but if I liked a shoe that had them and they fit well, I'd consider buying them. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm not sure how I feel about it. I like the idea of being able to lock your feet in but i just don't trust it enough to stay tight enough while playing. Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Alright, I'll be the odd man here. I have used the BOA enclosures off and on for years on bike cleats and on some run shoes. I love the idea. I hate the implementation. But why!??!?! The answer is both simple, and complex. The simple version is, uneven pressure. The more complex answer is that one of the core features of the BOA system, is the very same feature that makes them unlivable after a while. The steel cable and disc do not allow any stretch or give, and require manual adjustments as your feet swell during activity. I know, that is the idea right? In theory, it sounds great, but every foot swells during activity. If you are playing golf, your feet will swell as much as a .25 of a size during a typical round. With the BOA, that means you are either releasing and resetting them, or, restricting blood flow (leading to long term discomfort). Interestingly, even traditional laces have this problem, and it is one of the reasons so many shoes use such short lace patterns. There are options, and you'll find that many runners swear by them. I'm one of them. Yankz and Lock-Laces. Both operate on the same continuous lace idea behind BOA. Instead of the disc, they use a pull and pressure lock. What is different, is that instead of a static lace like fiber, or even the BOA steel laces, they use elastic, bungie style laces that provide a strong enclosure, while still allowing enough give to allow the foot to swell, without creating too much compression. I use them in almost all of my shoes these days, but oddly enough, on my cycling shoes, I've gone back to velcro and ratchet enclosures for most of my riding, and only use the BOA's on my short day shoes (under 2 hours). This is one of the best responses to a nay for BOA I've seen. Hard to argue with too, I do find myself readjusting the tightness during rounds. One thing I like though is how easy it is to do that. Only takes a couple seconds and I can do it one handed. I can easily see how in other sports like running or cycling that would be much harder to do. I do also have some lock laces. I've only used them in normal tennis shoes for everyday wear so far, but I really like them. I have an extra pair in blue I bought to try in golf shoes but just haven't had the urge to install them since getting BOA's. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm not sure how I feel about it. I like the idea of being able to lock your feet in but i just don't trust it enough to stay tight enough while playing. I feel like there is a better chance of your shoes coming untied than there is the BOA loosening. Plus if it does just click it back tight, quicker and easier than tying shoes. Also Nike has some with BOA so now maybe you'll be interested Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I feel like there is a better chance of your shoes coming untied than there is the BOA loosening. Plus if it does just click it back tight, quicker and easier than tying shoes. Also Nike has some with BOA so now maybe you'll be interested I saw them and I'm still not sold yet. Maybe I just enjoy tieing my shoes lol Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm a tie'r of the shoe too. But with one simple modification..... wax shoe laces. If only the shoe mfg's would return to wax laces everything would be all right. Personally I always replace the "fashion" cotton laces with waxed laces. Tie um and forget um. All day long. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severtheties Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I saw them and I'm still not sold yet. Maybe I just enjoy tieing my shoes lol This is absolutely false. You don't even untie your shoes. You slip them on ;) Driver - Tour Edge Exotics XCG 7 Beta w/ Paderson shaft 44" Fairway Metal - Vapor Fly 15* w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 65F 43" Irons - SLDR 4i-pw w/ KBS Tour C-Taper 90S Wedges - 54* and 58* Digger grind Putter - 2015 GoLo 3 33" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly Golf Guy Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I just got a bargain on a pair and thus far, they seem pretty convenient and comfortable. I never really have problems with laces either, but as someone who has grown used to slip on golf shoes for the range, these are a good compromise and seem to ensure a stable fit throughout the round. WIT Sta Dry Bag: Driver: '17 M2 Woods: M2 3W and 5W Hybrids: Apex 3h and 5h Irons: MP 18 MMC Wedges: MD PM Grind, 56* and 60* Putter: California Sonoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've never tried them, but I prefer the look of tied shoe laces. I might give them a try in the future after I go through my stash of shoes I have sitting on my shelf. MDGolfHacker TSssWhat's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverickping Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Never tried them but have always liked the concept of them with a secure fit. When we played hockey (years ago) we put the skates on (Tacks with kangaroo leather inside) and soaked them and let them form more to our feet for a better fit. I could see positive results from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I've never seen BOA until I seen it here first (of coarse). They intrigue me. If I find some at a good price maybe an older model, I may buy some. Sent from my SM-G920V using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Yankz and Lock-Laces. Both operate on the same continuous lace idea behind BOA. Instead of the disc, they use a pull and pressure lock. What is different, is that instead of a static lace like fiber, or even the BOA steel laces, they use elastic, bungie style laces that provide a strong enclosure, while still allowing enough give to allow the foot to swell, without creating too much compression. @dru_ Just went to Amazon and the ratings for the Lock-Laces are really really good. I think I'm going to buy a pair of red ones for my black Trues. Thanks for mentioning them. In the bag: Driver: TSR2 Project X HZRDUS Black 5.5 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Alpha Convoy 514 Balls: Chrome Soft X Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiburdie Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I actually just bought my first pair yesterday. FJ Freestyle. So far they are amazingly comfortable and super easy to get on and off. Golf galaxy has last year colors on sale for $53. So it was a steal. I'm can't believe that it took me this long to buy a pair with BOA and probably will never have a tie pair again. Sent from my SM-G935V using MyGolfSpy mobile app Twitter: @bobbyburdette Instagram: bobbyburdette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfats95 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I have a pair of shoes with the BOA and they are good shoes and it's better than tying the laces several times a round as they loosen up. That being said, I much prefer the lock laces as several other people have mentioned here. Originally I bought them for my everyday sneakers as I am lazy and like to slip my shoes on and off without having to tie them. That's right, I am that lazy! After buying a couple of sets for my every day shoes I fell in love with them. I now have them on every pair of shoes I own with the exception of my dress shoes, and if I could get away with it I would have them on those too. Despite the fact that it makes it super easy for me to get my shoes on and off, the best feature in my opinion is that they are tight enough to stay on my foot and never allow my foot to shift in the shoe, but not so tight that they dig in or hurt in any way. They are elastic of course so they will basically adjust to your foot and shoe in real time. I find myself re tightening them about once a month on my every day shoes and once or twice during the life of my golf shoes. I have been using them for almost two years and have had them on 4 pairs of golf shoes and probably 5 pairs of every day shoes. I do prefer a sneaker style golf shoe so I have not had them on a pair of traditional golf shoes, but I have no doubt they would work fine. As far as reliability goes, I haven't had one break yet, and they have all outlasted the shoes I've put them on so far. I buy them from Amazon for about 8 bucks I think and I immediately replace the regular laces with these when I buy a new pair of shoes. If you have any questions about them I can try to answer them, but for the price and performance I've gotten to this point I couldn't be happier with them. Oh, and yes I love New Balance shoes. "I'd play a ladies set of clubs if it allowed me to break par." PING G410 LST Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 6 Titleist 17, 19, and 21 degree 818 H2 Hybrids Ping G700 5 - GW Titleist Vokey SM7 54 Wedge Titleist Vokey SM7 58 Wedge Evenroll ER3 Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I have been wearing 3 pair for the past four years. Two FJ Contours and one FJ Sport. I never wear a pair two days in a row. So their longevity is a bit exaggerated. That said, they are very comfortable especially since I must wear an ankle brace on my left ankle. The BOA allows me to dial in different pressures to fit my brace. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfzilla2069 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I am not opposed to the BOA system but a $20-$50 up charge seems a bit steep for laces. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag... Driver: TaylorMade R15 10.5• Aldila Rouge Black 60g stiff shaft 3 Wood: TaylorMade R15 15• Aldila Rouge Black 70g stiff shaft Hybrid: TaylorMade Rescue 4-21• Aldila Rip 65g stiff shaft Irons: TaylorMade RSi TP Nippon NS Pro 950, stiff shaft Wedges: TaylorMade 50•, 54•, 58• Nippon NS Pro stiff shaft Putter: TaylorMade Ghost Ball: Wilson DUO U Bag: TaylorMade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Never tried them but have always liked the concept of them with a secure fit. When we played hockey (years ago) we put the skates on (Tacks with kangaroo leather inside) and soaked them and let them form more to our feet for a better fit. I could see positive results from them. We also used waxed laces... WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I've used BOA for 3 years now and I love em. I have them in a pair of footjoy DNA and they're very comfortable and stay tight really well. Kind of nice to be able to adjust the fit with one hand when I need to. Mine have the dial (I guess it would be dial?) on the heel which is kinda nice too, real clean no clutter sorta look. Don't know how much I'd like the look of having it on the side or the tongue. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dgolfer Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Interesting. Sent from my SM-N920T using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpyC Posted February 11, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted February 11, 2017 Other than paying a slight bit more, I haven't experienced any negatives. In fact, it's easier for me and I'd much rather play with the dial a bit than mess with laces during a round. Can't see myself going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Got Lock Laces in the mail yesterday...colour me impressed. In the bag: Driver: TSR2 Project X HZRDUS Black 5.5 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Alpha Convoy 514 Balls: Chrome Soft X Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgDaddy Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I have 3 pair of shoes with Lock Laces but I ordered Xpand laces last time and those are the ones I will order from now on. I like the look much better than Lock Laces, just a cleaner look IMO. https://www.amazon.com/Xpand-Shoelaces-System-Elastic-Laces/dp/B01DFK6N2A/ref=lp_9375522011_1_1?srs=9375522011&ie=UTF8&qid=1486849154&sr=8-1&th=1 Driver - Rogue ST Max Woods - Rogue ST Max 3, 5 & 7 Woods Irons - Rogue ST Max Wedges - Zipcore RTX 6 50° CBX2 54* & 58* Putter - Evnroll ER2 Rangefinder - NX-10 Slope Ball - Vice Pro Tour Drip Bag - Xtreme Cart 7.0 Bag Heather/Red/White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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