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I was sure i was buying the new evnoll x-7 recently released but not to confuse this thread but got a. Chance to try the Bobby Grace sure fir F-18 and it blew me away. Roll board test slightly better than evenroll great feel more adjustability/customization with weighting and interchangable face inserts, toe/heal distance tecnology. Had to go with it and love it so far 3 rounds.

 

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I've toyed with Evnroll putters at the local PGA SuperStore, but haven't really looked at them seriously -- that may have to change.    Love my Edel - unless something changes you'll have to pry it

I have tried evnroll, non fitted Edel, and for the person that asked also MLA.   For me some worked better than others. I don't know the evnroll fitting process but most seem to be face balanced s

A buddy has been visiting from Austin, TX for the past couple weeks. He games an Edel putter...E-1. Beautiful putter. Said he went to the Edel plant and was fitted there. If I visit him, he said we c

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I used an Edel for a few years, but recently switched to an Evenroll ER1.  My putting has been much more consistent, and I have almost eliminated 3 putts.

 

It took a little to get used to the different head weight, but once that was over all good.  

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I didn't try the Edel but after reading much of the hype, hitting it a few times in PGA superstore and seeing Evnroll at the top of the MGS Most Wanted I decided to take the plunge.  I found myself in Carlsbad with my family and snuck away to get fit at the factory.  The whole experience was excellent.  I arrived thinking I needed the ER1 or ER2 having always liked more of a blade style putter.  But at the end of it I could not get the ER7 out of my hand.

 

My putting has improved dramatically and I won't be changing any time soon.  Now if I can just get the driver to go straight work...

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I used an Edel for a few years, but recently switched to an Evenroll ER1. My putting has been much more consistent, and I have almost eliminated 3 putts.

 

It took a little to get used to the different head weight, but once that was over all good.

Nice, since you have played both what are your thoughts on the difference in feel of the two?

 

 

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 I really liked the feel and their "hype" about the quality of the roll you get from the putter is legit.  What I didn't like was the head weight of the putter (385g).  It always felt super head heavy and I would get "flippy" more often with the ER2 because of it.

 

Exactly my experience. So I'm waiting for the pro shop to get a lighter head in the length that I want to test it. But 34" with 370g was on the heavy side for me.

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On the other hand, people have been raving about the Edel fitting experience and now I'm curious. I have an Edel fitter about 1 hour drive from here, while the EVNROLL would be off the rack...

 

Anybody here has any experience between the Edel classic fit and torque balanced?

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I'd say the Edel, putter fitting is excellent, to a point, it fits you for aim and speed, but not for stroke.

 

So your Edelman will point where you want it to, thanks the the combinations of neck, headshape, sightlines. It's be effective at distance control thanks to the weight, placement etc. It'll fit you for length and lie, which again aid aim.

 

The flip side is the torque balance suits only a narrow range of stroke. So if your Edel fitter can fit for the entire Edel range that covers all the toe hang option, then it's a no brainer.

 

I think the holy grail, would be to go and get Edelman, fitted, then ask a good club builder to make you an evnroll to those specs?

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I never have been a Edel fan boy. And I own one! Admittedly that's mostly because I've never gotten over my lousy fitting experience at the Edel headquarters. The Edel is a decent putter and I putt just as good with it as with any other putter I've owned. Which is good. But honestly, I'll never get the sour taste out of my mouth until I get rid of the Edel. That's just the simple truth.

Someone here will probably call me out on this but; I'm starting to seriously consider an Evnroll.

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I just got my Evnroll ER1.

I did consider an Edel, but the fitting and putter here in Germany go for EUR 600. That's a little steep IMO. Not saying its not worth it, but my putting is not THAT desperate.

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Have to say most people grow up and get used to a putter that's almost certainly off the rack, so I think there's a risk in going too far away from what your experienced with.

 

I often think "what if Jack Nicklaus got custom fit?".

 

Chances are he'd end up with a Fat grip, a ton of counter weight and a short length? He had none of this and was fairly successful.

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Actually Jack was custom fit. At times by his own work. As were most other pros of that era. Jack has even discussed his "back-weighting" of his irons. He said he pretty much played his whole career with back-weighted clubs. His drivers we most certainly in the 43" range at least during the era of Wood drivers. Granted Jack didn't have a launch monitor by his side but he certainly used swing weight scales and loft & lie machines to have his clubs bent to he specs. Those things have been around for ever and are still in use today for custom fittings. Custom fitting isn't new. Pros have always availed themselves of the fitting technology of their time. Only fairly recently have the average Joe been able to get a custom fit.

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Only fairly recently have the average Joe been able to get a custom fit.

 

I agree. I don't remember all of this cool custom stuff growing up, only thing I remember were Ping irons because they obviously had the dot colors.

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Actually Jack was custom fit. At times by his own work. As were most other pros of that era. Jack has even discussed his "back-weighting" of his irons. He said he pretty much played his whole career with back-weighted clubs. His drivers we most certainly in the 43" range at least during the era of Wood drivers. Granted Jack didn't have a launch monitor by his side but he certainly used swing weight scales and loft & lie machines to have his clubs bent to he specs. Those things have been around for ever and are still in use today for custom fittings. Custom fitting isn't new. Pros have always availed themselves of the fitting technology of their time. Only fairly recently have the average Joe been able to get a custom fit.

 

Very interesting, I suppose the point I was making was that after a number of custom fits / lessons / endless reading I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that putting is a personal thing and getting too technical might be to my detriment!

 

I recently heard a quote from Jack on British TV when discussing the recent trend for pistol / claw / left hand low grips.  He said rather dismissively "Its just putting".  Which made me giggle a bit!  It also reminded me of the number of times where I've stood over a putt and known that I was going to make / miss it, if I get this feeling I'm rarely wrong, I'm sure others have the same - so my new goal is to find a putting technique that most often gives me that confidence!

 

Back on thread!  I think trying both Edel and evn roll is the only way - hopefully one will give you confidence and fit your eye and stroke but its hard to say!

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What about mla in the mix?

 

 

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Agreed!

 

I have to say, with most high end putter manufacturers; Edel, Bettinardi, Scotty, etc. the difference between putters appears to be subjective at best. They all make gorgeous putters that are crafted to exacting standards but... I wouldn't call them innovative. It's the same designs with new materials, a new insert, more tungsten... Now Evnroll and MLA are actually doing some cool stuff that hasn't been done before! Evnroll's face technology, the MLA alignment tech! That's cool! It seems to be supported by science, and in testing, at least Evnroll seems to be showing well. Even if neither is a true game changer, at least they're looking outside the box and I like that.

So, who wants to try and slap an MLA alignment graphic on top of an Evnroll putter and see if it's possible to miss a putt with all that technology!

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Still not clear on how EVNROLL tech is different from PING's True Roll.

 

Is it that EVNROLL plays with width and PING is about depth?

 

If anyone is on speaking terms with Rife please ask. He seems like the kind of guy who would be open to talk about it.

 

Fozz, you still have his email?

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Still not clear on how EVNROLL tech is different from PING's True Roll.

 

Is it that EVNROLL plays with width and PING is about depth?

 

If anyone is on speaking terms with Rife please ask. He seems like the kind of guy who would be open to talk about it.

 

Fozz, you still have his email?

Already spoke to him about this during my fitting.

 

Ping uses groove depth and only can impact ball speeds.

 

Evnroll uses with width and shape to impact both speeds and direction. The parabolic grooves provide a gear effect that brings the putts back towards the center line

 

Here's a more detailed explanation

 

https://evnroll.com/technology/

 

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And here's a video of the Evnroll grooves in action

 

https://youtu.be/Zwj--IqYTj0

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Still not clear on how EVNROLL tech is different from PING's True Roll.

 

Is it that EVNROLL plays with width and PING is about depth?

 

If anyone is on speaking terms with Rife please ask. He seems like the kind of guy who would be open to talk about it.

 

Fozz, you still have his email?

 

Basically, Ping's grove tech causes miss hits to travel as far as good hits, perfect lag putting. Evnroll's tech not only evens out the distance between good hits and off hits but it actually causes the ball to track back toward the intended line of the putt.

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And here's a video of the Evnroll grooves in action

 

 

Thanks for the video jlukes! I had never seen that video before. I pretty much just "believed" in the tech with no way to prove it.

But I'm loving my ER1!

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Basically, Ping's grove tech causes miss hits to travel as far as good hits, perfect lag putting. Evnroll's tech not only evens out the distance between good hits and off hits but it actually causes the ball to track back toward the intended line of the putt.

Don't forget.....Rife sued Ping for stealing some of his patented technology a few years ago. That is why the Ping Ketsch putter was removed from the market and replaced with a different groove set.

 

 

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