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Thanks folks.

 

I assumed that one of these entities had the patent on groove tech. I realize EVNROLL has gearing because of how the groove width tapers, but if PING owns the IP behind grooves replacing lost energy, they would come after Rife regardless of his new advancement. I would think that if PING patented groove depth, they would have patented groove width at the same time. 

 

(Or vice versa given Fozz's comment about Rife sued PING)

 

Am I the only one who would find this an interesting blog post? I can just see the page views rolling in for a story about the minutia of intellectual property law and first filing dates. 

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But Chen, my comment is fact. Guerin Rife did sue Ping and then Ping stopped selling the original Ketsch that had variable grooves. Then Ping re-tooled and sold a Different Ketsch putter.

 

 

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I had an EVNROLL ER2 but I just didn't like it. Honestly I have to get a black putter the EVNROLL reflected ally off the sun and that distracted me. I have gone back to my Ping Anser Scottsdale but am searching for something better. Looking for something with high MOI don't think my stroke is very consistent and I am losing a ton of strokes on the putting green.

 

 

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And here's a video of the Evnroll grooves in action

 

 

This video, after reading the MGS review, drove me to try Evnroll. I had never heard of the brand previously and I didn't even think they sold it in Hawaii. Walked passed the case where the more expensive putters were kept at my local store and immediately grabbed it and started rolling putts. It was my first mallet putter - I had always been drawn to them aesthetically, but I used to putt pretty well with my b60i so I never bothered (plus, I was a broke college kid before I took my golf hiatus). It was love at first swing. Once I found the correct length and put a little practice in on the green, I'm sinking way more putts and most-importantly, my lag putt game has improved dramatically.

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I've never played a round with EVNROLL but I have tested them out and I wasn't overwhelmed by them. Actually I was a bit disappointed that they didn't wow me since the reviews on MGS were so good. I am also extremely sceptical about the claim that the ball curves back on-line. Has this ever been tested?

 

I went for Edel instead in the end and did my fitting in December. I like the putter and have played well with it this year, but I have to admit that I was a little disappointed with the fitting. I'd watched a few videos on youtube, and I only seemed to go through half of what the people in the videos did. I also thought the choice of weight would be a bit more scientific than just "do you like that or would you like it to be heavier?".

 

In the end it was during a SAM Puttlab session that I learnt a bit more about the weighting and was then recommended to get a heavier headweight.*

 

 

 

 

*If you live outside of the US (I'm in Switzerland) then you should definitely get the weight kit when you order the putter because the shipping costs on the Edel website were absolutely ridiculous. Over 100 USD, and when I emailed Edel about it i never got a response. Luckily i found some on eBay.

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I haven't tried Edel putters but I have tried mostly every other brand putters. I gamed a Bettinardi QB6 for a while and went to Carlsbad to get fit for either an ER1 or ER2 and ended up walking out with an ER5 hatchback.  I have never been gamed a mallet style putter so I was a it skeptical but during the fitting but I could not miss with the ER5.  I got the ER5 and have played with it for about a month now and my lag putting and putting overall has improved.  I don't see it leaving my bag anytime soon. 

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I gamed an Evnroll ER1 for several months after testing the range at an Edwin Watts in Houston. The putter put an absolutely beautiful roll on the ball and had a great feel to it. The groove tech is legit. That said I always felt that it didn't me quite right and I was just missing a lot of putts. Went to Austin and got fitted by David Edel for an E-3 torque balanced putter. My aim was off a fair amount with the Evnroll and I needed some substantial counter weighting to fit my stroke, as well as a 72 degree lie angle instead of 70 and no offset versus the half shaft offset i had been playing. I am so excited for my E-3 to show up now that the suspense is killing me. But that said if you find an Evnroll that fits or is fitted to you they are great putters as well.

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I have a friend that got custom fit for an Edel about 2 months ago. He said the process was quite in depth...and get this...the guy did it for free in his studio that he has. He of course bought the putter through him. I love rolling it. The round grip is quite interesting, but feels great. If I wasn't putting so we'll right now, I'd go get fit as well.... Seems incredible.

 

I've rolled the EvnRoll 5 or 6 times and none of them impressed me much. Just not for me. Feel wasn't right.

 

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I just bought an Evnroll ER7.  If anything, I DIDN'T want an Evnroll because of the price.  I did a SAMLab fitting during which I tried multiple putters from multiple companies.  However, my numbers on the Evnroll ER7 proved to be superior.  I also had to have the loft adjusted to compensate for a forward press.

 

I left much poorer but at least won't be able to blame my putter going forward.

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I've seen tons of positive press on both of these putters and I have to wonder what part of it is the service versus the marketing claims/effectiveness of the product? I don't see any pros on any tours using Evnroll and I've heard some crazy rationale as to why. I do see a few Edel putters on the tour, but they're certainly far & few between. One thing I've learned about business is that good service or perceived good service overcomes other flaws in products, businesses and people. So are these putters better than everything out there or does their personalized service create a halo around their product offerings. I tend to believe its the later. YMMV.

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I've seen tons of positive press on both of these putters and I have to wonder what part of it is the service versus the marketing claims/effectiveness of the product? I don't see any pros on any tours using Evnroll and I've heard some crazy rationale as to why. I do see a few Edel putters on the tour, but they're certainly far & few between. One thing I've learned about business is that good service or perceived good service overcomes other flaws in products, businesses and people. So are these putters better than everything out there or does their personalized service create a halo around their product offerings. I tend to believe its the later. YMMV.

Why does tour presence really matter? It should be about your performance. Pros in today's world want to get paid to play a product and I am pretty sure neither do. And pros in many cases are no better than amateurs regarding what equipment they put in the bag.

 

For the record I have seen both brands in LPGA player bags.

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Like cnosil said, the pros use their equipment as a platform to make more money. I'm sure if Guerin sent a free putter to Rory, he'd use it and probably really like it, but then he'd ask for a contract.

 

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I've seen tons of positive press on both of these putters and I have to wonder what part of it is the service versus the marketing claims/effectiveness of the product? I don't see any pros on any tours using Evnroll and I've heard some crazy rationale as to why. I do see a few Edel putters on the tour, but they're certainly far & few between. One thing I've learned about business is that good service or perceived good service overcomes other flaws in products, businesses and people. So are these putters better than everything out there or does their personalized service create a halo around their product offerings. I tend to believe its the later. YMMV.

Small brands can't afford a lot of Tour presence.

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I can't sing enough praises for the fitting that I received from David Edel recently. My putting has improved significantly due to the counter weighting and alignment changes that they made to the putter to fit me. 

 

Putts for me in my last 7 rounds prior to receiving my Edel: 33,34,30,37,30,33,34.

 

Since getting my Edel E-3: 29,30,31,30,26.

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I can't sing enough praises for the fitting that I received from David Edel recently. My putting has improved significantly due to the counter weighting and alignment changes that they made to the putter to fit me.

 

Putts for me in my last 7 rounds prior to receiving my Edel: 33,34,30,37,30,33,34.

 

Since getting my Edel E-3: 29,30,31,30,26.

That's a big change. Confidence in your putter will help tremendously!

 

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I had a Scotty Cameron before and was lucky enough to customize an edel.

what an impressive philosophy to identify the best aiming and distance!!!! Reading the green is the final step you need to handle.

i love my Edel putter in all black and also that I can change the weight in three different ways depending on the speed of the greens. Meaning I can still use the same feeling on all kind of greens.

have for sure reduce my number of puts and more confident!

the evnroll was too heavy and no service for finding the perfect set up for your unique putter!

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