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#1 Orange Hog

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 08:04 PM

Yesterday I went through a putter fitting at the Jess Hansen Academy in Kansas City. This was the first time I've gone through a putter fitting and it was certainly eye-opening. Figured I'd share some of my experience with you guys.

For a bit of background on me, I've always considered putting one of the better parts of my game. Since I began tracking my stats (about 2 years now) I've averaged 33 putts per round and from one round to the next that number is pretty consistent. Lately, though, I've had some issues with putts of 4 to 5 feet. Just seems like my aim isn't where I want it to be to make 100% of those putts. Like a lot of people I've rotated the putter more times than I can count but I finally landed on a putter that I feel pretty comfortable with - Ping Ketsch Mid. Still it just didn't seem to get the job done enough for me...at least not to the level where I feel like I should be.

After reading a lot of reviews about Edel putters and their fitting process I decided to roll a couple different models while at the PGA Superstore in Dallas. I really liked the look and feel but couldn't really figure out which one was right for me. They aren't cheap so I wasn't about to take a leap without getting fit. So, I decided that I'd go in for a fitting with an Edel certified fitter.

Anyhow, fast forward to today. When I got to the academy Jess put me on the SAM machine to establish a baseline with my current gamer. I started by rolling 10 putts from around 8-10 feet and then we reviewed the data. Without boring you with all the stats here's the jist - my tempo is good but I was taking the putter too far back, the path was very much an in-to-out path and at impact the face was shut almost a full degree. Effectively I was hitting a smoother little baby draw with the putter! The issue with this, according to Jess, is that the miss on this club path can be pretty severe if the face doesn't close - in other words a big push to the right.

Jess also videoed me rolling those putts and discussed my set up to the ball with my gamer. First, my eye line was well behind the ball but a few inches and my weight was back on my heels too much. Second, Jess did a quick test to determine my dominant eye, which we discovered was the left eye. That being said Jess said that my ball position - center of my stance - was totally wrong. He said that I needed to set up with the ball aligned to the in-step of my left foot in order to put a bit more loft on the ball to get it rolling better.

So, the next step was to put me back on the SAM with a better set up, roll a few putts and see what the SAM suggested as optimal loft, lie angle, and toe hang. Basically it suggested that I needed 7 degrees of toe hang, 70 degrees lie angle and 1 degree of loft in a 34 inch length shaft.

Once we had the specs established Jess set me up with the E-3 head and we started working on alignment. To check alignment he put this green 2 ft by 2 ft green screen up with a special puck in front of it that is the size of a standard hole on a green. The puck, however, has this green laser that shoots out of it. Next he put a small mirror on the face of the putter, set down a ball and had me set up to the ball like I was rolling it toward the puck. He then moved the ball and the laser reflected where I was aiming at set up (it was left, by the way). He then put the ball back and had me step back and set up 2 more times. Both times I was dead in the middle of the cup so Jess said there was no need to try and alignment lines or different head shapes.

The really unique thing with Edel's fitting process is that head shape and alignment lines have major influences on how we aim the putter at address. I guess for me no alignment aid was optimal, which made things pretty easy.

The final step in the fitting was weighting out the putter, as this also has a significant impact on how the putter is delivered through impact. Jess had me set up and roll a few 10 foot putts and then tweaked the putter with a few different counterweights that slid down into the shaft. In the end I came away with a weight 6 inches down the grip and a back weight at the very butt end of the grip.

He handed me the final product, had me set up to a 10 foot putt and I was rolling in putts like it was nothing. The final product is the E-3 head in black with a black shaft and a round grip and the previously mentioned weight set up, which I should have in 7-10 days.

Why the rounded grip? Honestly, at first I was not excited about it and thought I'd be rolling the head too much. Turns out that's not at all the case. Additionally, Jess said that flat top grips run the risk of being installed incorrectly and possibly slipping over time, which both impact consistency. I know when I've installed Superstroke grips on my putters before I've always been nervous about does the grip really line up simply from me eye-balling it.  Rounded grips don't cause those issues and it really only took me 1 or 2 putts to discover that I liked how it felt.  It's a new change but I'm looking forward to it.

Sorry for the super long read but I found the process to be really cool. I'm excited to get the putter and will update this thread with in-hand pics when it arrives. I'll also drop some feedback in here once I get out and put it to work on the course.



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Posted 01 February 2017 - 08:16 PM

great write up, thanks.....love to see the pics when you get your new putter


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Posted 01 February 2017 - 08:18 PM

Did you test the new putter configuration on the puttlab to verify the stroke was starting the ballon your intended line. I understand edel is very much about aim but you did a lot of changes to your setup based on an initial baseline. Did I miss where you retested the new putter configuration?

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 08:23 PM

Nice write up, thanks for sharing your experience!


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Posted 01 February 2017 - 09:15 PM

Yes indeed. Nice write up. As many of your know.... my Edel fitting (at their headquarters) was UGH to put it nicely. What I read from Orange Hog is he had a "real" putter fitting. Other than putting at the puck and string on the floor I experienced nothing similar. Grip wasn't even discussed. They just said, "what do you want us to put on it."

Hog your guy sounds like a true professional. I'm also guessing your fitting wasn't preformed in a dirty garage.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:07 AM

Nice write up. What is a SAM machine for those of us not familiar with it?


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:05 PM

Nice write up. What is a SAM machine for those of us not familiar with it?


SAM Puttlab is a platform that will measure all aspects of your putting stroke to include but not limited to path, face angle at address, face angle at impact , putter rotation, tempo and uses that information to score your putting stroke and can then provide some putter recommendations. You can also get a report that shows everything about your stroke.

Puttlab is in my opinion the cadilllac and Toni would be the Chevrolet. There are a few other systems. MGS showed one called hole more putts from the PGA show. If you are serious about improving your putting or learning about your stroke find a place that will do a Puttlab report for you.

Search on google for Sam Puttlab and you will find there site.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:49 PM

FWIW: Blast Motion also does a pretty good job of recording putter data. Much cheaper than a SAM lab :)


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:26 AM

FWIW: Blast Motion also does a pretty good job of recording putter data. Much cheaper than a SAM lab :)

 

i looked but the one thing it didn't seem to track is putter path.  Maybe I just missed it though.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:52 AM

i looked but the one thing it didn't seem to track is putter path.  Maybe I just missed it though.

When I used it, I paid more attention to face rotation than path. If the face opens and closes correctly, then you are likely using a putter that matches your natural path and more importantly, a putter that is square to target at impact. Tempo info was helpful to keep the stroke regular and tweak distances.

 

Not to thread jack but here is the link to blast info: https://blastmotion..../golf/#features


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 02:24 AM

Great review .. thanks! Great insights into the whole process of a proper putter fitting .. very helpful.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 02:31 AM

When I used it, I paid more attention to face rotation than path. If the face opens and closes correctly, then you are likely using a putter that matches your natural path and more importantly, a putter that is square to target at impact. Tempo info was helpful to keep the stroke regular and tweak distances.

 

Not to thread jack but here is the link to blast info: https://blastmotion..../golf/#features

 

I had read the page which is where I didn't see path.  Rotation is important,  but rotation has to match up to path. Based on what I have learned and been shown regarding the putting stroke is that is that the vast majority of golfers do not have a perfect putter path an have a bias to the left or right which requires a putter that is open or closed to the putters path.  Because of this square to target doesn't necessarily mean that that ball will start online.  


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Hybrid:  :titelist-small: 816h1 19* set at 18* w/Diamana Blue

Hybrid:  :titelist-small: 915h 21* w/Diamana Blue

Irons:  :callaway-small:  X Hot Pro 5-AW w/Projct X Rifle 6.0

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 05:16 PM

Yes indeed. Nice write up. As many of your know.... my Edel fitting (at their headquarters) was UGH to put it nicely. What I read from Orange Hog is he had a "real" putter fitting. Other than putting at the puck and string on the floor I experienced nothing similar. Grip wasn't even discussed. They just said, "what do you want us to put on it."

Hog your guy sounds like a true professional. I'm also guessing your fitting wasn't preformed in a dirty garage.

 

No, it definitely wasn't a dirty garage. LOL.  Jess has a legit teaching academy - 3 bays all with GC2 and FSX software, a huge putting green, SAM putting lab, fitting carts from several major OEMs, lots of various training aids and equipment to build clubs (though I don't think he does much of that).

 

Did you test the new putter configuration on the puttlab to verify the stroke was starting the ballon your intended line. I understand edel is very much about aim but you did a lot of changes to your setup based on an initial baseline. Did I miss where you retested the new putter configuration?

 

We honestly didn't connect the final Edel set up to the SAM machine.  However, yes, we did re-test it on the laser puck several times.  Basically he got my aim straightened out with the head, alignment, etc. on the putter head then had me step away and roll 5 and 10 foot putts then go back to the laser puck.  He didn't want my brain to get too set on just the aiming aspect of the fitting.  I did this like 3 or 4 times and each time I was able to aim dead center on the laser puck.

 

Jess sent me an email on Friday and said that Edel notified him that my putter had shipped.  I'm expecting to have it in hand this week and will post pics at that time.  I've already pulled my old putter from the bag and don't even want to practice putting until I get the Edel.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:13 PM

Great info, hopefully when you pick your putter up he will put you on the laser again, sounds like you found a great fitter who did beyond what a certified Edel fitting is.

 

My Edel putter fitting wasn't as extensive as I did not get any baseline info from SAM putt lab as part of this fitting. That said, the fitting was free as I ended up purchasing an Edel. When I did my fitting they did not have the Torque Balance models so I was fit to a classic head style and I was encouraged to stay away from the pixel insert. I had also done a SAM putt lab at another location previously so I have some good baseline data. I was going to go back and do another SAM putt lab to get a current picture but now that the Evnroll has come out, I will be going to a Cool Clubs to do a putter fitting side by side with my Edel gamer.

 

Here's what I experienced with my fitting (roughly, been awhile)

1) Checked aim with Rife Cayman (which I loved for roll quality and asthetics but never made enough putts with), was well right, 2 to 3 feet, crazy right

2) Only way I can aim an Anser style head close to straight required a ridiculous amount offset, way more that is standard and an amount that is not pleasing to the eye at all, so

3) Fitter moved me to mid mallet with no sight lines and similar offset to my Cayman and checked, aim came in from far right based on shape change only (50%) improvement from this change alone

4) Added 1 line to the lower flange of the putter and checked, aim came in more, another 25%

5) Added 3 lines to the lower flange of the putter and checked again and aim came in and was spot on

6) Laser was also used to check loft, I think I ended up at 1.5* with my set-up

7) Completed distance testing to determine proper weighting including counterbalancing

8) We went back and forth between putting to holes and checking aim and every time I went back to check aim, it was spot on!

 

Unfortunately, when I picked up the putter I didn't have time to track down the fitter and go through an aim check with the laser again and never made it back as they aren't in town. That said, I can say without a doubt I started making more putts right away and to this day make more 4 to 15 footers than I ever did.

 

My only complaint is that the fitting put the lines on the flange of the putter but the putter came with the 3 lines on the top of the putter based on how paperwork was filled out. Edel theory (below) says there is a difference but I never tested it again so I don't know whether there was an impact or not. Since I have started practicing rolling putts over a dime at 2' I am assuming its a mute point as I can hit the dime consistently. 

 

 

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We created a line template as part of our fitting system that allows us to easily test various line arrangements to gauge their aiming ability to you as an individual. The results are incredible. Here is a quick recap:

  1. 1. Lines, in general, tend to to make golfers aim left.
  2. 2. The farther back the lines are on the putter, the more they will tend to aim you left
  3. 3. Lines near the top-line influence aim less than those placed nearer the bottom cavity.
  4. 4. An absence of lines tends to create a right aim bias.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:52 PM

Sadly I won't be able to get back on the SAM machine when I get my putter.  I asked to have it delivered to my house since the fitter is 3 hours away.  That said, I'm confident in the process and the final product we were able to build.






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