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I'm not sure that I could putt with any of those putters with lines like that.  I need a line in the center, but the other lines would just be a distraction to me.  I line up a line on a ball with my intended line, then line up the line in the center of the putter to the line on the ball.  Once I do that, I do not look at the ball again; I look at the hole.

 

Then the lines shouldn't be a distraction  :P

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In the end if you can consistently start the ball on your intended line there is no real reason for an edel fitting. Once you have mastered that skill you can move on to distance control and free reading

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Then the lines shouldn't be a distraction  :P

:lol:  You would think!  I really only want the one to line up to the ball.  I suppose I'd get use to the other lines, but why?

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In the end if you can consistently start the ball on your intended line there is no real reason for an edel fitting. Once you have mastered that skill you can move on to distance control and free reading

 

This is a bit presumptuous.  You might believe that you are starting the ball on your intended target line but do you truly know that for certain?  There are a lot of dynamics in any putter fitting, Edel or otherwise, that could influence your ability to do so consistently - head shape, alignment aids, head weight, grip weight, counterweight, and putter length, for example.  And all of that is before you even get into your actual putting stroke.

 

Based on my stats I felt like I was a relatively decent putter before I went through the fitting.  The SAM results showed me something quite different, though.  The Edel fitting process showed me even more inconsistency.  So I guess I'd warn anyone from believing that they don't need to go through a fitting simply based on your belief that you are a good putter and are getting the ball on target line consistently.  Maybe you are, and worst case would be that the fitting would reveal that, but I think most will be surprised by what the fitting shows you.  Again, that isn't necessarily specific to Edel but I do think their process reveals broader options.

 

After you've gone through that process then I agree that dialing in distance control and reading breaks is paramount to becoming a great putter.

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This is a bit presumptuous.  You might believe that you are starting the ball on your intended target line but do you truly know that for certain?  There are a lot of dynamics in any putter fitting, Edel or otherwise, that could influence your ability to do so consistently - head shape, alignment aids, head weight, grip weight, counterweight, and putter length, for example.  And all of that is before you even get into your actual putting stroke.

 

 

I don't think it is presumptuous.  i have gone through a SAM Fitting so I think I know my stroke pretty well and I know what it takes to start the ball on my intended line consistently and my putting instructor has given me drills to work on that skill.   The items you identified are some of the putters design elements that influence rotation.  Having the correct rotation is critical to starting the ball online.  Edel focuses on fitting for aim and can help you aim perfectly,  but if you don't have the correct rotation the ball can still go right or left.  The big thing I never hear about with Edel is postion at impact.  For example, perfect aim  with insufficient rotation will result in a putt that goes right.   I prefer consistent aim with the putter rotating to the pefect impact position.  

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I don't think it is presumptuous.  i have gone through a SAM Fitting so I think I know my stroke pretty well and I know what it takes to start the ball on my intended line consistently and my putting instructor has given me drills to work on that skill.   The items you identified are some of the putters design elements that influence rotation.  Having the correct rotation is critical to starting the ball online.  Edel focuses on fitting for aim and can help you aim perfectly,  but if you don't have the correct rotation the ball can still go right or left.  The big thing I never hear about with Edel is postion at impact.  For example, perfect aim  with insufficient rotation will result in a putt that goes right.   I prefer consistent aim with the putter rotating to the pefect impact position.  

 

Edel actually have built their Torque Balance Putters specifically to ensure the putter gets back to square at impact, what I'm assuming you are referring to as "rotation" of the putter.

 

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Whether you have rotation of the putter itself doesn't really have anything to do with getting the ball on the target line.  Where the ball is positioned at impact and how open/closed the face is will influence direction of the putt.  Everyone has some degree of rotation in the putting stroke, some people rotate the putter more than others.  For example, when I went through my fitting I was rotating to around 2.5 degrees in the backstroke and around the same after impact but I was hitting the ball with the face 0.1 degrees open.  The fitter, who is also a PGA teaching pro, had me move the ball a tad forward in my stance, which helped me get much more square at impact (as revealed by the 2nd round on the SAM machine).  So I wouldn't say that rotation was the issue so much as ball position and I think that holds true to a lot of folks.

 

Even if you aren't getting fit for a putter I would say that a SAM fitting can reveal a lot about your stroke, tempo, arc, etc. and can help you make adjustments as necessary to get more consistent.

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We will have to disagree about rotation.

 

You essentially fit your stroke and setup to match the putter and its rotation.

 

I was taught to setup to see the correct line and fit the putter to me. In my case instead of changing ball position and potentially how I see the putt i would Change putters to one that would end up being 0.1 degrees more closed at impact.

 

Two approaches and both can work. As a player you just have to determine if it is easier to change putters or change you stroke to match a putter.

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Well, without taking sides, I find both POVs provided some interesting insights .. going for a full bag fitting tmrw so now have even more putter fitting questions!

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Well, without taking sides, I find both POVs provided some interesting insights .. going for a full bag fitting tmrw so now have even more putter fitting questions!

Let us know what you find out.

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Talked to Edel Golf this morning, as my putter hasn't shipped yet.  Apparently the round grip I ordered is on back-order so my putter is just sitting in the shop.  They offered to put a big dog grip on it and ship it today and then send me a round grip when the next batch comes in.  I agreed to that, as I'm playing golf in Florida in 2 weeks and don't currently have a putter in my bag.  Hopefully I'll have this bad boy early next week (fingers crossed).

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Talked to Edel Golf this morning, as my putter hasn't shipped yet. Apparently the round grip I ordered is on back-order so my putter is just sitting in the shop. They offered to put a big dog grip on it and ship it today and then send me a round grip when the next batch comes in. I agreed to that, as I'm playing golf in Florida in 2 weeks and don't currently have a putter in my bag. Hopefully I'll have this bad boy early next week (fingers crossed).

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Great Summary...

 

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Great Summary...

 

https://youtu.be/3wfnyXkxOlk

Right off the bat I hear something different than my fitter talks about, and even on the site, if I remember correctly. A mallet or round heads influence aim to the left, blades or square putters influence aim to the right. He says the opposite... Maybe I remembered incorrectly.

 

 

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Right off the bat I hear something different than my fitter talks about, and even on the site, if I remember correctly. A mallet or round heads influence aim to the left, blades or square putters influence aim to the right. He says the opposite... Maybe I remembered incorrectly.

 

 

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If the website backs up your thoughts I would say I'm pretty confident that Buzza misspoke.

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Right off the bat I hear something different than my fitter talks about, and even on the site, if I remember correctly. A mallet or round heads influence aim to the left, blades or square putters influence aim to the right. He says the opposite... Maybe I remembered

From the Edel site:

 

1. The more circular the putters trailing edge, the more likely it will cause you to aim to the right.

2. The straighter the putter's trailing edge, the more likely it will cause you to aim to the left.

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Right off the bat I hear something different than my fitter talks about, and even on the site, if I remember correctly. A mallet or round heads influence aim to the left, blades or square putters influence aim to the right. He says the opposite... Maybe I remembered incorrectly.

 

 

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Head shape isn't the only factor in aim.  Mallet or rounded head shapes generally influence a right aim whereas blades generally cause you to aim to the left.  However, alignment lines also play a major role in a alignment and aim.  A putter with multiple sight lines typically aim you left whereas fewer or no sight lines will steer you right.  That's what makes Edel really unique is that they can fine tune head shape and sight lines to not only a combination that will suit your eye but also get you aimed properly.

 

Here's a graphic from Edel that gives you some perspective on the influence of head shape on aim...

 

 Edel-AIM_3-Head_Shapes-960x350_large.png

 

And here's a graphic on the influence of sight lines on aim...

 

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From an edel fitting perspective...which is designed to fit for aim. Is the assumption that the putter you are fitted to will remain square to the putters path during the stroke? For example how does the fitting address people that putt with an open or closed stance. In those scenarios the putter face at impact might match the putterface at aim but the ball would go left or right based on path and the ball would not start on intended line.

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From an edel fitting perspective...which is designed to fit for aim. Is the assumption that the putter you are fitted to will remain square to the putters path during the stroke? For example how does the fitting address people that putt with an open or closed stance. In those scenarios the putter face at impact might match the putterface at aim but the ball would go left or right based on path and the ball would not start on intended line.

Just curious ... Are you against all putter fitting or just don't agree with Edel?

 

 

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From an edel fitting perspective...which is designed to fit for aim. Is the assumption that the putter you are fitted to will remain square to the putters path during the stroke? For example how does the fitting address people that putt with an open or closed stance. In those scenarios the putter face at impact might match the putterface at aim but the ball would go left or right based on path and the ball would not start on intended line.

 

It sounds like that's a case of someone not choosing the correct line if you think about it. Which really, no fitting is going to fix. We are STILL golfers that have to play the game. The idea behind this fitting system is simply to match your club up to what you naturally bring to the table in the most efficient way possible.

 

To me it's the basic idea that we all bring our own combination of things to the game. We all see out of a different lens. Literally. Each of us has our own way that we see the world. 

 

Edel is trying to build a fitting cart that conforms the putter to your vision so that your body doesn't fight the putter. It allows for the most natural way to approach the game without having to think/fight your preexisting conditions to make something work.

 

How does it make sense to choose a putter that forces you to look at things the way it was designed instead of designing the putter around you?

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Just curious ... Are you against all putter fitting or just don't agree with Edel?

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I am 100% for putter fitting and it isn't that I do or don't agree with the edel approach. I keep hearing about fitting for aim. My question is really around does perfect aim equal perfect impact and does the edel approach take stroke tendencies into consideration.

 

There are multiple ways to fit a putter. The first is to give you a putter and change your mechanics to fit the putter. This could be posture and setup changes or how you swing the putter.

The second is to fit a putter to your tendencies.

 

When I hear about people and their fittings we hear things like setup with the eyes over the ball, swing the club with your shoulders, for SBST use a face balanced putter and so on. The approach always seems to be go away from what you do naturally.

 

For the full swing we seem to be moving towards using your natural swing and recognizing the people swing the club differently. Granted we want to fix gross errors that are a hindrance but if I can execute why change the stroke. Look at all golfers there isn't a perfect model on how to swing a club. We aren't robots and we are built differently. Why should putting be any different?

 

Ultimately I am asking questions to learn and I share my thoughts on putter fitting as well. Consistent aim may make you a better putter related to hole proximity but does it make you a better putter?

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