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Right now I'm playing an M1 at 46.5" with an Aldilla rogue 110msi. I'm wanting to shorten it to 44.5". Is it as simple as just cutting 2" off the butt end of the shaft?? What kind of things do I need to worry about. I'm new to all this.

 

 

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I have played my driver at 44.5" for quite some time. You'll hear about how the 2" will effect swing weight, etc., but I much prefer the feel at the shorter length.

 

I've gone through a long series of Cobra drivers, and cut them all down to 44.5" without adding any weight back or making any other changes.

 

If you are doing the work yourself, be sure to leave the grip tape on while you cut it to help keep the shaft from splitting. If you don't have the tools/experience, it might be worth letting a local shop do it.

 

 

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I have played my driver at 44.5" for quite some time. You'll hear about how the 2" will effect swing weight, etc., but I much prefer the feel at the shorter length.

 

I've gone through a long series of Cobra drivers, and cut them all down to 44.5" without adding any weight back or making any other changes.

 

If you are doing the work yourself, be sure to leave the grip tape on while you cut it to help keep the shaft from splitting. If you don't have the tools/experience, it might be worth letting a local shop do it.

 

 

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I'm definitely going to let a local shop do it. I just wS curios what things this will effect. Thanks for the reply

 

 

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I cut down my M1 by about an inch and it definitely helped me be more accurate. The swing weight didn't really change much I don't think but I could be wrong. Give it a go and see what you think. If you want to add weight to the head you can always buy another sliding weight and pop it in on the M1.

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You loose 3 swingweight points for each 0.5" you shorten the club - so for 2" you'll be loosing quite a substantial 12 points, which would take a D4 down to a C2 for example.

To restore swingweight, you need to add approx 2g of weight for each point so you'll be looking at 24g minimum to get the swingweight back. Not too difficult with interchangeable weights but you run into further problems - shaft cpm and flex are affected with each amount of weight you add (or subtract) so adding 24g could weaken the shaft flex by a full flex, meaning it will also possibly ruin the feel of the club too.

Always factor in what you will end up with before making any alterations to a club, especially when you are taking parts of it away. The best compromise would be to choke down on the club with your grip and remove less from the butt if you really have to. Check to see the results before cutting anything.

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Yes, bottom line is that your driver will feel lighter and depending on the shaft a bit more flexible, of course if cutting from the butt end, if you like the feel of it now, you'll have to add weight (lead tape strips, etc), I have always played under 45" in shaft length, currently I am at 44.25" and loving it...good luck

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Great info here and I'm one of those who prefers the shorter length shafts.   That's exactly why I fell head over heels in love with my new Callaway Fusion driver which comes stock with the 44.5 shaft.  They added a 12 gram weight to the sole to bring the swing weight back up to D2.  The good thing being no guessing with lead tape or heavy bubble gum. I love it and although she's not the prettiest pickle in the pick jar, she's user friendly!

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Right now I'm playing an M1 at 46.5" with an Aldilla rogue 110msi. I'm wanting to shorten it to 44.5". Is it as simple as just cutting 2" off the butt end of the shaft?? What kind of things do I need to worry about. I'm new to all this.

 

 

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Are you wanting to shorten it because you tried the same club in a shorter shaft?  Did you grip down 2 inches and like the feel?  Or are you just wanting to experiment?  I would first make a call to TaylorMade and ask them what would be the best option.  If you are going to have someone shorten it for you, I would consider sending it back to TaylorMade and have them do to your specs.

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jerry - It is all great information, especially the answer from jaskanski.

 

from the fittings I do, I continually see the benefit of a 44.5" driver (what I too have played for a long time). Firstly, I'd measure the existing SW and do my best to get close to that should you decide to shorten it. However, I agree that there is so much extra weight to be added in this case that you may effect the shaft playing characteristics by just cutting butt end.

 

That said, you could tip it as well (cut tip off) and cut from butt end. Effectively you're shortening from both ends to a preferred length without sacrificing (hopefully) the flex characteristics. If you start down this road, I'd suggest a REALLY smart and qualified fitter to help, or call TM customer service. You may just be able to add a different (heavier) shaft you can play shorter with better results.

 

Lastly, that Rogue shaft is typically low launch/spin. Perhaps altering it's playing characteristics isn't such a bad idea unless you're ball speed will overpower the changes.

 

Just a thought.

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Don't get me wrong - there is merit to all of the info above, but I wouldn't worry about all the weight alterations until you try it shorter. You might like it. If you don't like it, you can add weight, go back to a longer shaft, etc.

 

I tried weighting mine, and it felt terrible - went back to stock, but kept it short.

 

For reference, I'm 46 with a bad back. 5'10" 180lbs. I hit my cobra king f6 with a 44.5" shaft and no other mods to alter weight in the 260-280 range and average about 70% of fairways hit.

 

 

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I am just finishing up my experiments with this exact topic. Using a ping G30 shorten to 44.5.... I swing it for a month with no added weight it performed very well at a C4 swing weight.... Then I added LED tape to get it back to a D4 Swang that for about three weeks and can honestly say it was just too heavy even though it was back to the original swing weights. My primary golfing buddy has the same Club at factory length and although mine was the same swing weight it felt like a tank in comparison. A lot of weight at the bottom at impact and I'm sure the shaft was behaving differently as well... looking back at it I can certainly say I changed the ratio of the weight, too much bottom weight, the same swing weight but in different ratio. I actually hit the club okay, but make no mistake it was a completely different Club, no longer a G30 if you get my drift. The sound of the club completely changed as well,, and it was an improvement really LOL LOL....more solid.

 

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I am just finishing up my experiments with this exact topic. Using a ping G30 shorten to 44.5.... I swing it for a month with no added weight it performed very well at a C4 swing weight.... Then I added LED tape to get it back to a D4 Swang that for about three weeks and can honestly say it was just too heavy even though it was back to the original swing weights. My primary golfing buddy has the same Club at factory length and although mine was the same swing weight it felt like a tank in comparison. A lot of weight at the bottom at impact and I'm sure the shaft was behaving differently as well... looking back at it I can certainly say I changed the ratio of the weight, too much bottom weight, the same swing weight but in different ratio. I actually hit the club okay, but make no mistake it was a completely different Club, no longer a G30 if you get my drift. The sound of the club completely changed as well,, and it was an improvement really LOL LOL....more solid.

 

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you may have also changed the shaft stiffness when you added weight

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Additional interesting information on my experiment:

I performed the above experiment in two different ways. I put added swing weight down the center bottom from Face To Toe.,, and I put the exact amount of weight across the bottom face underneath the face. The differences were dramatic.... First of all although the same amount of weight was added, the club felt much much heavier with the weight down the center from Face To Toe... And it also retained more forgiveness which the G30 is known for with this weight distribution down the center. But the swing weight was just too heavy for my hands to work with, very inconsistent period. Don't get me wrong, it retains some of the Forgiveness but it was still a completely different Club I was swinging compared to factory.... Most interesting was the swing weight under the face of the club, this very much changed the behavior of the club,, and I got more distance as well I'm sure of it.. And a bit of a more boring trajectory within limits of course we are talking about a G30 that does not boast a boring trajectory... But still an adding 12 grams of weight underneath the face totally changed the behavior of the club and again positive I received the more distance... I also fell in love with the muted sound it gave the G30 period. I actually enjoyed hitting the club with this weight distribution on the face it was just too much weight. It was like buying a new club LOL LOL..... What I am now settled into is only 4 grams of added weight up at the face of the club... This little added weight diminishes a little bit of the Forgiveness of the G30 for sure ,, but with the added benefit of lowering the launch angle and a greatly improved sound. I figure the swing weight is probably a C8, 6 points lower than Factory, but it doesn't feel like it is compared to my friends G30 and I'm convinced that's the important thing... I'd like to finish this very long post by saying that I enjoyed this experiment in the offseason and learned a ton of information hands on,, this is enjoyable for me and I know I'm in the same company with all of you... I learned that people should not blindly start messing around with swing weight without consulting people in the know... Even if you want to experiment like me don't abandon Consulting with Pros they can save you a lot of time and steer you in the right direction.

 

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you may have also changed the shaft stiffness when you added weight

Yes good point very good point... The shaft stiffness was changed when I cut it shorter, and certainly change when I ended the weight... Good catch there

 

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Yes, bottom line is that your driver will feel lighter and depending on the shaft a bit more flexible, of course if cutting from the butt end, if you like the feel of it now, you'll have to add weight (lead tape strips, etc), I have always played under 45" in shaft length, currently I am at 44.25" and loving it...good luck

 

 

... Actually it will make the shaft play stiffer, especially with no weight added. The easiest thing to do is buy some lead tape and start adding a strip while hitting it at the range. If it feels good, add another strip. Keep adding lead tape until it starts to feel a little heavy. Then remove the last strip and see how it feels. The additional weight will bring the shaft closer to it's original flex, although for some a slightly stiffer flex may be advantageous. You can then either leave the lead tape on the head or buy another weight for a cleaner look. 

 

... I will add I also think it is a good idea to choke down and see how it feels, but some that have a good sense of feel will notice a slight difference after cutting it down, especially 2 inches as there is a counter balanced effect with the extra 2 inches under your hands. That said, most probably won't notice the difference. I know there are some that successfully play their shafts over 45" but they are certainly the minority. Most will find improved accuracy and improved distance with a shorter shaft. They may still hit the occasional bomb with a longer shaft, but playing it at 44.5" usually means constantly longer drives because you are hitting the center more often. Ymmv of course. 

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You are right cutting it shorter from the top but stiffens the shaft, don't let any club dealer tell you otherwise... generally you can go for example from a regular to a regular +.... or even more depending on the shaft of course. One of the things I learned for sure is cutting it shorter stiffens the shaft and if you add way much weight to the bottom of the head you have completely decimated the Kik Points that you're used to with the shaft... for me a minor adjustment with LED tape at the bottom of the head seem to work a a mere 4 grams

 

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Question related to the swing weight impact by cutting the shaft...

 

I currently play a mid-60 gram shaft but if I went to a mid-70 gram shaft and cut that one down approx. 1 to 1.5 inches would that help compensate for some of the swing weight reduction?

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