Driver construction - how much is it the head vs. how much is it the shaft?

[StrokerAce]

Stroker... is your head about to explode?

 

Pretty solid advice I'm reading here. Good luck.

 

Seem to have kicked the hornets nest here;  thank goodness I didn't ask what are the best off-the-rack clubs I can get for 800 bucks!

[Mr_Theoo]

I've already sold the driver I have so I suppose the best use of that $$ will be to take it and go get fit and... maybe play without a driver until I get the funds to purchase whatever is recommended?

 

Why would you see your old driver without either having a new one on its way or already there? That makes ZERO SENSE.

 

 

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[hckymeyer]

I think the moral is that there is no best. Only a best for YOU.

 

Also all this about not being able to get fit for driver and you are already doing a hybrid & iron fitting????

 

 

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[null]

Regarding #2, that's not correct. You can could probably get along with a number of drivers you could get used for $100, but without having been fit it would just be luck.

 

I gained about 15 yards of carry by getting fit for my driver. The driver I got fit for was the 2016 m1 with the stock shaft - which just plain worked for me. I previously was gaming the Srixon 545 driver.

[StrokerAce]

Oh great!  Another MGS staff member chiming in!

 

If anyone is curious what MGS staff members want to discuss on the forums send me a message.  

[Mr_Theoo]

Oh great! Another MGS staff member chiming in!

 

If anyone is curious what MGS staff members want to discuss on the forums send me a message.

 

 

 

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[StrokerAce]

....and thus comes the end of my day of getting judged, critiqued, and ridiculed.

 

Thanks all!  Been fun!

[Sschaffer24]

Oh great! Another MGS staff member chiming in!

 

If anyone is curious what MGS staff members want to discuss on the forums send me a message.

Stroker I'm not exactly sure why you're upset. Yes maybe there was a joke here about bobcat, but I don't think it was directed at you in any kind of malicious way.

 

You're a good member and always contribute to the conversation (questions are good. That's how we learn.)

 

But just because I'm staff and have a specific opinion doesn't mean it's fact. Same with Meyer and Dan. This is a COMMUNITY where we all are here to make this place the best it can be and to help each other learn.

 

Your question is a hard one to answer. You GOT honest answers from everyone, they're just hard to hear/make sense of when they don't fit the budget.

 

If you reread my post comparing the SLDR and G30, you'll see I say that at the very least the eyeball test will work. Do that, try two polarizing clubs out, and at the very least pick which one gives you the best ballflight and feel.

 

It's pretty straightforward that at $100 and with no fitting, that's probably the best you will get. If you want specific recommendations then I'd check out the G25/30 and SLDR. Those are two polar opposite and fantastic drivers.

 

BUT they may not be right for you. That's the catch. The fitting will unlock that, the blind test won't. If you don't like that I apologize, but you'd have to get crazy lucky to maximize what you can do without having a proper fitting.

 

Sorry if that offends you man. We are here to help, and sometimes the truth isn't what you want to hear and you have to make concessions. Maybe the concession you make is "this is good enough because it passes the eye test" and if that's the case, then have at it. Hopefully you find the best choice!

 

I would suggest you take advantage of your fitting and see if that shop offers used clubs. I would think your fitter would include a driver fitting for free (at least a basic one) if you are looking to take used inventory off his hands. Remember, he has an investment in that club to own it, so you're helping him out as well.

 

Hope that helps.

[The Dansome]

I was just trying to write a helpful post...

[null]

Nobody compared you to bobcat, they just stated that a driver recommendation thread is like the bat signal for bobcat

[Jmikecpa]

But I don't have 100 for a fitting and.... x for a new driver.... and I can't play without a driver.

 

so... it's off to try a few things out and see what works.

Unfortunately I can't find a place that has a launch monitor where I can demo some used clubs for free.

GolfSmith used to have one but they closed up shop last year.

 

Oh well... I've been reading about the Callaway Great Big Bertha Alpha and the Nike Vapor. both of those are relatively inexpensive and the GBB Alpha has a bunch of different settings. Anyone tried that one?

Yes, had the original Alpha, the 815 Alpha, 815 Alpha DBD and the 816 Alpha DBD. If you are looking for forgiveness none of the should be at the top of the list. Good swing and good strikes produce great results...marginal swings produce not the best results. The Alpha is a lot more forgiving than the DBD versions but still not at the top of the list.

 

 

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[GolfSpy Barbajo]

If you want forgiving and seriously  inexpensive - an older Cleveland Classic can be had very reasonably on the Bay. It won't be custom fit, or maybe anywhere near optimal, but they are silly easy to hit and very, very forgiving.  Picked on up new a couple years ago on eBay for around $40.

[Jmikecpa]

Also to add to my post above what works for me may not work for you. Take me for a good example. My driver SS is in the 118 to 120 mph range and I have a high ball flight. Most people would think that says I am a high spin player and would fit into a low spin head with a low spin shaft. Through a lot of time on the launch monitor hitting balls we have come to the conclusion that a lower spin head with a mid launch/spin shaft in a heavier weight is the best combo for me mostly due to the tempo of my swing. I need a little help from the shaft to get optimal launch conditions while the head keeps it from spinning off the charts. Tried a bunch of combos with more loft and a lower spin shaft and they did not really work for me.

 

 

For reference, the shaft I played in both DBD heads was an AD DI 7x. Currently I have a 917 D3 with a Fuji Pro Tour Spec at 79g in my driver.

 

 

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[StrokerAce]

If you want forgiving and seriously  inexpensive - an older Cleveland Classic can be had very reasonably on the Bay. It won't be custom fit, or maybe anywhere near optimal, but they are silly easy to hit and very, very forgiving.  Picked on up new a couple years ago on eBay for around $40.

 

Thanks!  I'll check it out.  Appreciate the tip!

[JBones]

Do you have any "mom and pop" type places around you that do club repair? We have one here that does club repair and club consignment. The guy that runs the place is very knowledgeable about equipment and was able to fit me to a shaft, by eye. He happened to have a used shaft and put it in my driver for $40 installed with a grip. If you can find somewhere like that, you can get the most bang for the buck.

 

On the flip side, I highly suggest going through a fitting, even if you aren't going to buy a driver. The knowledge you will gain is incredible.

 

 

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[Big money]

Maybe issues are swing related?

[Leefol]

For what it's worth, my 15 yr old son has a 105mph swing speed. I was looking, and found, a wishon 919thi driver on eBay that had what I assumed to be the wrong shaft, an integra 45gm shaft, but planned on getting him fit for a new shaft. He has loved it the way it is. Hitting on trackman last week his drives were incredibly tightly dispersed and distance was 290. Now we are wondering if we really should even mess with changing the shaft out. The best part is it was hardly hit, looks new, and I only paid 65 dollars for it. I would suggest looking for a wishon 919thi. Don't believe all the marketing hype and pay for their advertising!

 

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[revkev]

MGS did a test on this a number of years back - it's both.... The exact blend is harder to define so it's best to think 50/50...

 

Why not go for a driver fitting with yours. Tell the fitter what you have to work with and see what happens.

 

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[StrokerAce]

For what it's worth, my 15 yr old son has a 105mph swing speed. I was looking, and found, a wishon 919thi driver on eBay that had what I assumed to be the wrong shaft, an integra 45gm shaft, but planned on getting him fit for a new shaft. He has loved it the way it is. Hitting on trackman last week his drives were incredibly tightly dispersed and distance was 290. Now we are wondering if we really should even mess with changing the shaft out. The best part is it was hardly hit, looks new, and I only paid 65 dollars for it. I would suggest looking for a wishon 919thi. Don't believe all the marketing hype and pay for their advertising!

 

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Love it!  I'm going for a fitting on Friday with a Wishon fitter (hoping that the Sterling one lengths work for me).  I'll definitely look into the 919!  Thanks for the tip.

65 bucks?!  what a deal!

[The Dansome]

For what it's worth, my 15 yr old son has a 105mph swing speed. I was looking, and found, a wishon 919thi driver on eBay that had what I assumed to be the wrong shaft, an integra 45gm shaft, but planned on getting him fit for a new shaft. He has loved it the way it is. Hitting on trackman last week his drives were incredibly tightly dispersed and distance was 290. Now we are wondering if we really should even mess with changing the shaft out. The best part is it was hardly hit, looks new, and I only paid 65 dollars for it. I would suggest looking for a wishon 919thi. Don't believe all the marketing hype and pay for their advertising!

 

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If your son is 15, has a 105mph SS and is hitting it 290 you better not be changing that setup at all.

[null]

If your son is 15, has a 105mph SS and is hitting it 290 you better not be changing that setup at all.

Hell I'm lucky to reach 290 with my 110mph ss

[The Dansome]

Hell I'm lucky to reach 290 with my 110mph ss

 

That driver is the equivalent of finding the holy grail at 105mph

[ole gray]

Just saying,,,,, If it were me, I'd let Bob Cat fit me with an SLDR C  Special Edition......    

[null]

That driver is the equivalent of finding the holy grail at 105mph

 

An absolute perfect smash factor of 1.53 (which is extremely rare, even for tour players) would give him about 161 mph of ball speed - enough for about 271 yards of carry under absolutely perfect launch/spin conditions.

[Big money]

290 105 swing speed

[JBones]

Come on guys, it's not that far of a stretch. I periodically hit it 350 at 120mph. DJ, Bubba, and Rory are all 125+ and don't always hit it 350. It can be done under ideal conditions. I mean, I hit my 3i 265 on TrackMan and it's maybe 230 in the real world.

 

 

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[Mr_Theoo]

An absolute perfect smash factor of 1.53 (which is extremely rare, even for tour players) would give him about 161 mph of ball speed - enough for about 271 yards of carry under absolutely perfect launch/spin conditions.

 

What are you using as launch conditions because I got 280 using 17/1700

 

[Big money]

Come on guys, it's not that far of a stretch. I periodically hit it 350 at 120mph. DJ, Bubba, and Rory are all 125+ and don't always hit it 350. It can be done under ideal conditions. I mean, I hit my 3i 265 on TrackMan and it's maybe 230 in the real world.

 

 

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[StrokerAce]

for some reason, on this post, some (not all, but some) members have become very critical.  I'm not sure why that is....  MGS is usually very easy going and most of the comments are constructive and helpful.

 

reading through all of the comments reminds me of this proverb: " Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.  "

 

remember guys - we all come from different walks of life and different perspectives...let's all help each other out here.

 

life is short, be nice.

[cnosil]

290 105 swing speed

I will say it is possible. I was at MGS doing driver testing yesterday and after reviewing the numbers my swing speed was occasionally getting to the 105 mark and I had a few roll out to 290. This was done at sea level. I have also heard, but never experienced, that the are distance gains based on elevation