Brian A Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Hello, new to this thing, so apologize if this isnt in the right place or I couldnt find the answer. So I got a few sample balls of the Volvik Vivid, and played them, actually scored the best round of my life (91...Im not that good) using them. I noticed on the box they say they are for swing speeds of 70-90mph, however my swing speed is well over 100, am I hurting my game or should not be using these? Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 There are a lot of different theories on this depending on who you talk to in the industry. The bottom line, as with just about anything in golf, is that those are more guidelines than a rule. What you might typically see in this situation is a ball that will have a little more spin than normal on longer shots. That could be good or could be bad depending on how you swing. I base my ball choice off the same philosophy that Dean Snell uses. Start around the green and work backwards to the tee. Find a ball you like putting and chipping with that reacts the way you want it to. Then move back to 100yds and 150yds and hit approach shots. Does it still react the way you want it to? Then move back to longer shots and off the tee. Do you still like the feel? If you can check those boxes then it doesn't matter what swing speed is marked on the box. Dean does a better job explaining it than me. You can read his take here. https://www.snellgolf.com/pages/dean-snell-golf-ball-fitting-philosophy Bottom line is that a swing speed recommendation is just marketing. If you like the performance and feel then game it! Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Different schools of thought on ball fitting. Bridgestone looks at swing speed, but also spin. Their top-recommended ball during their ball fittings is the e6 - lower spin so it tends to fly a little straighter for golfers who need it, but it's still a 3-piece design for a level of control at the green (not Tour ball level, but not bad) and designed for distance. Swing speed guidelines aren't etched in stone though - they fit me for the B330 even though it's rated for a 105+ MPH swing speed, and mine was around 100 due to spin and control around the green. Dean Snell, on the other hand, says most players should play a Tour-type ball for control and performance around the green, and then work backwards from there. His stance is distance off the tee is very similar for most, if not all, balls - so pick the one that performs best from 100 yards and in. If you can't tell any difference, buy the cheapest one. Generally speaking, balls designed for lower swing speeds tend to be a bit lower compression and wind up spinning less. If you're a slicer - a lower spinning ball can work for you - it won't fix a slice swing but it can help keep the ball in play a little. Not sure if this helps -- Bridgestone has a nice online ball fitting, and their new iPhone ball fitting app is pretty cool and relatively easy to use. We wrote about it here: https://www.mygolfspy.com/first-look-bridgestones-b-fit-ball-fitting-app/ What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 All good information. I rely on my short game because my swing speed is not that high and my wife's is less. Both of us like the tour balls because of feel. I like Snell's MTB, and my wife prefers Srixon Z-Stars. It's just a matter of what you like in how it performs. I tried the really soft balls thinking they would work better for me, no go. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hula Rock Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Future test for MGS: Gather up some golf balls, remove all branding, number them, and let MSG members field test the balls and pick the one they liked the best. I think we would get some interesting findings. Hula out. Driver: M3 Tensei CK Pro Blue3-Metal:: GBB EPIC, FujiKura Pro Green 5-Metal: F-7, FujiKura Pro Irons: MP-18 SC, KBS Tour 120 Wedges: RTX-3 52 - 56 - 60Putter: EVN-Roll ER-5 Ball : Tour B XS Range Finder: Busnnell Tour-X, Garmin S20 Follow me: @Hula_Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 One of the unused tidbits from our Dean Snell interview -- he says back in the day when they used to label balls as 90 or 100 compression, the real compression was probably around 70 or 80 but they labelled them 90 or 100 because no one would play them if they knew they were 70 or 80 compression. To paraphrase the old commercial, the mind is a terrible thing... What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 Generally speaking, balls designed for lower swing speeds tend to be a bit lower compression and wind up spinning less. If you're a slicer - a lower spinning ball can work for you - it won't fix a slice swing but it can help keep the ball in play a little. This would explain why I wasnt slicing as much off the tee box, which is a huge problem. Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 This would explain why I wasnt slicing as much off the tee box, which is a huge problem.I always start at the green, there are certain shots that I prefer around the green that I would have to loose with a different ball from what I huge. However getting the ball safely in play is ridiculously under rated. The longer and more serviceable (not necessarily in the fairway but in play) that you can consistently be the lower your scoring potential. I would say start around the green but don't ignore the driver. Sent from my VS986 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hula Rock Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I always start at the green, there are certain shots that I prefer around the green that I would have to loose with a different ball from what I huge. However getting the ball safely in play is ridiculously under rated. The longer and more serviceable (not necessarily in the fairway but in play) that you can consistently be the lower your scoring potential. I would say start around the green but don't ignore the driver. Sent from my VS986 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Hey Rev, Get some rest !!!!!! Driver: M3 Tensei CK Pro Blue3-Metal:: GBB EPIC, FujiKura Pro Green 5-Metal: F-7, FujiKura Pro Irons: MP-18 SC, KBS Tour 120 Wedges: RTX-3 52 - 56 - 60Putter: EVN-Roll ER-5 Ball : Tour B XS Range Finder: Busnnell Tour-X, Garmin S20 Follow me: @Hula_Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I will when I get out of the hospital Hula. Its hard to rest here. Sent from my VS986 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Check out Dean Snell on Facebook - he did a Live Q&A yesterday and discussed his feelings on this particular issue. Personally, I'm with Kev - you gotta take both into account, and there's no substitute for in-play. What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I go with the Snell philosophy and play a ball I like around the greens and off my irons. For me if that works then it will be fine off the tee for the most part. This thought is somewhat validated by Tour pros as well. When they are playing alternate shot the ball in play is normally what both are comfortable with for the approach shot an not necessarily for the tee shot. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskanski Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Hello, new to this thing, so apologize if this isnt in the right place or I couldnt find the answer. So I got a few sample balls of the Volvik Vivid, and played them, actually scored the best round of my life (91...Im not that good) using them. I noticed on the box they say they are for swing speeds of 70-90mph, however my swing speed is well over 100, am I hurting my game or should not be using these? Long story short - if your best round of your life is with a certain ball, then carry on using it. There isn't a ball invented that will help to lower your scores if you don't like how it feels. If you like the way it plays and let's face it the greatest majority of shots with any club for the amateur (and pros) is with the putter, then using a ball based on feel alone is perfect sense. Anyone who tries to sell a ball based on distance (remember that all balls must comply with stringent USGA/R&A initial velocity, size, weight etc. rules) is quite frankly peddling BS. I've seen and played every ball known to man and can tell you or anyone else quite categorically that they travel within 2-3 yards of one another regardless of construction. Fact. So use a ball that putts nice - particularly if you struggle to break 90. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newballcoach Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Back to the original question, I was wondering about this myself earlier. I did a bunch of ball testing at the simulator I use in the winter (and while admittedly not scientific) I came up with a couple of points. My swing speed (around 115 on a good day) will cause golf balls to go far away, I played harder "X" style balls, and softer balls, and they all went far. In fact, I thought the softer ones went a bit farther and I enjoyed hitting them more. They didn't cost me any type of distance at all. I liked the MTB and the Chrome Soft the most. I have a buddy who consistently outdrives me (we hate him). He swears by Callaway's Supersofts, which are not an expensive ball. He compresses them and because they have a low compression, they tend to spin a lot less. Speaking as somebody who also is not that good, I would say try to find something that fits your game right now, and you can always change later. Maybe the Bridgestone E6 or the Supersoft would work. Maybe the Velocity is your thing. At our level, you won't be hitting many greens in regulation, so don't worry about how much wedge spin you do or don't get. Make sure you can chip/pitch and putt it, because you'll do a lot of those. And I do love Dean Snell's advice, if you can't tell, just buy the cheapest one WITB Driver- PING G400 LST w/ Project X Evenflow Black Fwy- TM Aeroburner 16.5HL Irons- Callaway Steelhead XR (3-PW) Wedges- Callaway MD3 (50,54,58) Putter- Cleveland TFI Satin Cero Ball- Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadivots Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 This is some really good stuff here. Working on the golf course I have been able to hit every ball that has come down pike, for free no less. Ones like first Srixon's that they gave us no one really ever heard of beause they were a hard sell then and went away. 3 piece with green writing and way ahead of their time. All day sad when the last one was done Then the Balata's went away too as this was at the time solid cores were coming in. None were even close to those Srixon's then and a long time after. Now they all do well. The one that FEELS right and performs for you is easier to find now. In most towns there is someone online selling good used balls so give them all a try and you'll be ok. By way of suggestion there was also a ball by Srixon called the 333. Soft long and cheap. They to went away but sell like hotcakes in europe, and sometimes you can find them at walmart and on ebay. The Marathon we can get now is really not close. When I run short of freebie Z Stars and walmart has them I pick up some 333's when I can. I believe its true compression or speed rating can be very misleading and have also found softer or slower speed rating are more consistent for me. Snell is going to get a try out by me too, and no doubt one of the 2 will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If you mean the AD333, I like those too. I usually play those in the Fall when it's hard to find the ball in the leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadivots Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If you mean the AD333, I like those too. I usually play those in the Fall when it's hard to find the ball in the leaves. Your right. It is the AD333. Where do youi get them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Different schools of thought on ball fitting. Bridgestone looks at swing speed, but also spin. Their top-recommended ball during their ball fittings is the e6 - lower spin so it tends to fly a little straighter for golfers who need it, but it's still a 3-piece design for a level of control at the green (not Tour ball level, but not bad) and designed for distance. Swing speed guidelines aren't etched in stone though - they fit me for the B330 even though it's rated for a 105+ MPH swing speed, and mine was around 100 due to spin and control around the green. Dean Snell, on the other hand, says most players should play a Tour-type ball for control and performance around the green, and then work backwards from there. His stance is distance off the tee is very similar for most, if not all, balls - so pick the one that performs best from 100 yards and in. If you can't tell any difference, buy the cheapest one. Generally speaking, balls designed for lower swing speeds tend to be a bit lower compression and wind up spinning less. If you're a slicer - a lower spinning ball can work for you - it won't fix a slice swing but it can help keep the ball in play a little. Not sure if this helps -- Bridgestone has a nice online ball fitting, and their new iPhone ball fitting app is pretty cool and relatively easy to use. We wrote about it here: https://www.mygolfspy.com/first-look-bridgestones-b-fit-ball-fitting-app/ I've seen the light and started using the b330rxs at barbajo's recommendation and I'd recommend them to anyone willing to try! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Your right. It is the AD333. Where do youi get them? I get them at Walmart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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