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#1 Aholland1198

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 08:47 PM

Struggling to take a divot after the ball, it is usually right the ball. It feels like the club head has so much momentum it's nearly impossible to hold off. Basically I have very little shaft lean and a slight flip after impact.

What are some thoughts or ideas you have had to work on this?


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:25 PM

Where is your Ball position?


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#3 Aholland1198

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:00 PM

Wedges are in center of stance, irons one to two balls in front of center.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:13 PM

So this is the best advice I have gotten and give for this. Our clubs are tools designed to get the ball in the air. We need to let the tool do the work. They work best when you hit down on the back of the ball. Sounds funny but works. Just like throwing a punch you need to do this accelerating thru the ball or your target.

I hope this helps.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:18 PM

I am not a teaching pro. But I use a constant ball position about 2 ball widths in from my left heel. There is an article floating around somewhere else about low point that is worth a read. A simple google search will get you there.

I started adding a little more forward press last year and I made better contact. Hands hang naturally take my grip which ends up being middle between my pec and shoulder.

I'd find a good instructor to take a look.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:48 PM

If you can't get lessons from a professional then get the DST Compressor 8 iron. It helped me get rid of my flip

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:52 PM

If you can't get lessons from a professional then get the DST Compressor 8 iron. It helped me get rid of my flip


Forgot about those, Stenson uses one religiously.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:32 PM

You need to Pay more attention to your lower than you think you need to. It paid massive dividends for me.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:35 AM

My coach has me hit punch shots which helped, and gave me a great low draw to play into the wind to boot. However, when I start getting to say hip height, the club head, for me, seems really hard to hold back. When I think about hitting down it just turns into a snap hook.

I've been reading about the DST club, I have a tour striker, but I feel like I can get away with hardly any shaft lean.

During the masters, which has the greatest app ever, if you watched on the tee of 12, it seemed like all the guys were really sliding toward the target. My lower half is way too active as it is. Perhaps I should try to slide a bit.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:56 AM

Good weight shift will help. I wouldn't worry so much about taking a divot. Make good contact with the ball. The act of hitting down on the ball means on the down swing before you start your follow through. If you actually try to hit down you'll get those snap hooks, and other sorts of miss hits. The ball should be a smidge behind your low point of your swing for irons, wedges and fairways(this depends), and slightly forward of your low point with Driver to get the best launch, but you'd have to get on a launch monitor or have a coach tell you if hitting up/level/or down with your driver suits you and your equipment.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:58 AM

My coach has me hit punch shots which helped, and gave me a great low draw to play into the wind to boot. However, when I start getting to say hip height, the club head, for me, seems really hard to hold back. When I think about hitting down it just turns into a snap hook.

I've been reading about the DST club, I have a tour striker, but I feel like I can get away with hardly any shaft lean.

During the masters, which has the greatest app ever, if you watched on the tee of 12, it seemed like all the guys were really sliding toward the target. My lower half is way too active as it is. Perhaps I should try to slide a bit.


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Tour Striker does nothing to help with shaft lean or hand position. DST does

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:01 AM

This link illustrates what I am talking about. The black line is the bottom of your swing, note how the ball is back of that.

https://www.adamyoun...ontrol-in-golf/

Hope this helps!

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:23 AM

I can vouch for that working for me for fine tuning, but my dad saw vast improvements.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:28 AM

So this is the best advice I have gotten and give for this. Our clubs are tools designed to get the ball in the air. We need to let the tool do the work. They work best when you hit down on the back of the ball. Sounds funny but works. Just like throwing a punch you need to do this accelerating thru the ball or your target.

I hope this helps.

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This is a very good start. In my opinion a lot of impact position ambiguity happens because golfers don't embrace the essential physics. Initially the ball rises on an upward arc via Bernoulli's principle. Backspin is created by presenting the clubhead to the ball in a descending arc. Meaning the foundation of majestic towering iron shots is smashing the ball into the ground. Because it bears repeating; smashing the ball into the Earth makes it rise high into the sky. From SW to deuce, they are all the same. If you can start to wrap your head around always making virtually the same descending blow on the ball, the reasoning behind a set of matching clubs with specifically gapped lofts becomes abundantly clear.

Without knowing your specific tendencies I'm only going to offer one more thought. If the clubhead arrives at the ball before your hands, it's impossible (virtually) to create a divot that begins on the target side of the ball. Your hands have a very simple job, gently hold the club, period. They should never pull or flip; just sit quietly on the grip as your hip fires through impact. Just try to forget about the clubhead entirely because its arrival at the ball is an inevitability. By delaying its arrival you are merely storing kinetic energy to release on the ball in a descending arc.

I know it's counterintuitive but try to mentally recategorize the role of your hands in the golf swing. They store energy and then release it. Think of them as a battery and your downswing is the charging cycle. The longer you allow them to charge, the more energy you have to release with passive fury on that annoying little white ball.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:27 AM

Try "the frisbee" drill. This is to get you to release properly and hit down on the ball. Basically, pretend you have a frisbee in your left hand (If you swing righty). Very simple, take the frisbee back in your normal backswing and then come through and throw the frisbee straight down at the ball. Piece of cake!


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