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I have switched to a one plane swing using the Setup4Impact system under Kirk Junge. That may seem like a drastic change, but it hasn't been a difficult transition for me. 

 

 

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Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
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54 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I have switched to a one plane swing using the Setup4Impact system under Kirk Junge. That may seem like a drastic change, but it hasn't been a difficult transition for me. 

 

 

Swings looking good. Is that style of swing facilitating any equipment changes or future changes?

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3 Wood: :taylormade-small: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1"

Driving Iron: :taylormade-small: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5

4 Iron: :taylormade-small: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X

Irons (5-7) :taylormade-small: P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X

Irons (8-P) :taylormade-small: P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X

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49 minutes ago, DPattGolf said:

Swings looking good. Is that style of swing facilitating any equipment changes or future changes?

With the Kirk Junge version of the one plane swing, there are typically no changes to equipment required, except for considering using larger grips, but that is also not required. At setup, the wrist are cocked downwards, so the larger grip helps get a better hold in that position with death gripping. So I now use Jumbo Max XS grips.

Some versions of the one plane swing recommend more upright lie angles, etc., but not with the Kirk Junge one plane. His philosophy is to stand the same distance as you normally would with your normal two plane setup, but raise the hands, so you are setting up in a position that mimics many aspects of the impact position. 

Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s

Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver

Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

Updated 07/15/2022
Driver:callaway-small: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex
Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
Wedges:ping-small: Glide 4.0 54 and 58
Putter:  :ping-small: PLD Custom Kushin 4

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On 9/24/2021 at 4:29 PM, dlow206 said:

With the Kirk Junge version of the one plane swing, there are typically no changes to equipment required, except for considering using larger grips, but that is also not required. At setup, the wrist are cocked downwards, so the larger grip helps get a better hold in that position with death gripping. So I now use Jumbo Max XS grips.

Some versions of the one plane swing recommend more upright lie angles, etc., but not with the Kirk Junge one plane. His philosophy is to stand the same distance as you normally would with your normal two plane setup, but raise the hands, so you are setting up in a position that mimics many aspects of the impact position. 

Really interesting! I didn't realize there were different versions of the one plane swing, thanks for sharing.

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Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

2 Hybrid: 18° :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

3/Driving Iron: 18° :Hogan: UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft)

Irons: 4-GW :titelist-small: T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here)

Wedges: 54° & 58° post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300)

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Back has allowed me to practice this week for the first time all year. I am more open at impact than I used to be however I still have a ways to go before I get where I want. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

Back has allowed me to practice this week for the first time all year. I am more open at impact than I used to be however I still have a ways to go before I get where I want. 

 

 

I’ve played with Ryan… That noise in the video is not because it’s slow motion, it’s because he’s the Bionic Man!!!

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22 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

Back has allowed me to practice this week for the first time all year. I am more open at impact than I used to be however I still have a ways to go before I get where I want. 

 

... A really good swing with "flaws". So many hall of fame golfers had "flaws" before high speed video created cookie cutter swings. Your shaft gets too far inside going back and for 99% of golfers that is a death move. But you get it to a good position at the top and the downswing is pretty close to perfect. The back swing is merely a device to get us in the proper position for the downswing and your backswing reminds me a little of Raymond Floyd who brought it back much more to the inside and parallel to the ground, which is just about impossible to recover from for most players. Floyd managed to use that "flawed" swing for 48 wins worldwide. Fwiw, I taught a few really good players that agonized over their "flaws" and I managed to convince them their excellent shots and their index didn't care about what their backswings looked like. I wish I had a Matthew Wolff video to show them back then. 🤪

... I love your swing. 

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Things were getting funky with my swing for a bit. And usually when that happens, I need to look at the setup fundamentals including grip. Cleaned up my grip and swing is feeling better.

 

Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s

Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver

Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

Updated 07/15/2022
Driver:callaway-small: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex
Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
Wedges:ping-small: Glide 4.0 54 and 58
Putter:  :ping-small: PLD Custom Kushin 4

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Have played well this year and trying to play golf and less golf-swing.

 

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2 Hybrid: :titelist-small: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*)

3 Hybrid :titelist-small: 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*)

4 Iron -  :titelist-small: T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft

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Feeling like my offseason work is getting some results. Really feeling like I'm standing taller at setup. Lots more swings like this during today's session.

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Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024)

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3 Wood: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X
20° Hybrid: PXG_Logo.png.8401024d1fb8aec46f0e790c1aa5b80c.png PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X
4 Utility: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff
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stargrip.png.4285948f41f1409613266e7803f0bbaa.png Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up
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1 hour ago, edingc said:

Feeling like my offseason work is getting some results. Really feeling like I'm standing taller at setup. Lots more swings like this during today's session.

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Man that is some serious speed. Wow. I’d kill to have my 6i carry that much. I’m stuck at 175ish, maybe 180 with my speed training

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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1 hour ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Man that is some serious speed. Wow. I’d kill to have my 6i carry that much. I’m stuck at 175ish, maybe 180 with my speed training

Thanks. That one specifically was probably a low spin flier. Over 11 shots, averaged 4,300 spin. Would hope to see closer to 5,000 off grass. 

Mostly interested in swing and ball speeds. Over those 11 shots, averaged 95.4 MPH club speed and 134.4 ball speed. 

Some small progress this off-season there. I'm not positive my swing speed has increased too much, but my ball striking has improved a lot.

Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024)

Driver: callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post
3 Wood: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X
20° Hybrid: PXG_Logo.png.8401024d1fb8aec46f0e790c1aa5b80c.png PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X
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231036130_Edel_Golf_Logo_v2_grandecopy.png.13cc76b963f8dd59f06d04b1e8df2827.png Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread
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stargrip.png.4285948f41f1409613266e7803f0bbaa.png Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up
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2 hours ago, edingc said:

Thanks. That one specifically was probably a low spin flier. Over 11 shots, averaged 4,300 spin. Would hope to see closer to 5,000 off grass. 

Mostly interested in swing and ball speeds. Over those 11 shots, averaged 95.4 MPH club speed and 134.4 ball speed. 

Some small progress this off-season there. I'm not positive my swing speed has increased too much, but my ball striking has improved a lot.

Man, your swing is looking really tight!!

Right Handed

Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

2 Hybrid: 18° :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

3/Driving Iron: 18° :Hogan: UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft)

Irons: 4-GW :titelist-small: T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here)

Wedges: 54° & 58° post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300)

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here)

Ball: MAXFLI Tour X

Bag: :ping-small: Hoofer Lite

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7 minutes ago, ncwoz said:

Man, your swing is looking really tight!!

Lol don't mean tight in a literal sense, it's looking super good!! And showing some serious speed along with it!

Right Handed

Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

2 Hybrid: 18° :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

3/Driving Iron: 18° :Hogan: UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft)

Irons: 4-GW :titelist-small: T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here)

Wedges: 54° & 58° post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300)

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here)

Ball: MAXFLI Tour X

Bag: :ping-small: Hoofer Lite

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17 hours ago, ncwoz said:

Lol don't mean tight in a literal sense, it's looking super good!! And showing some serious speed along with it!

Haha, funny you mention this. Been fighting urges to guide the club instead of swinging it - really just getting too tight in my hands, wrists and shoulders. Today I went back out there and focused more on being loose and saw a slight uptick in speed up to 97.6 average over 14 swings.

I do have a power leak as the clubs get longer though. Not sure if that's just from indoor swing syndrome or if I'm just too tight there too. Will be interesting to get out in the spring and see!

Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024)

Driver: callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post
3 Wood: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X
20° Hybrid: PXG_Logo.png.8401024d1fb8aec46f0e790c1aa5b80c.png PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X
4 Utility: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff
5-PW:
logo-Ben-Hogan-large.png.98d743ae5487285c6406a1e30a0a63b5.png Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting
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231036130_Edel_Golf_Logo_v2_grandecopy.png.13cc76b963f8dd59f06d04b1e8df2827.png Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread
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image.png.49fcc172a1ed0010d930fbe1c5dc8b79.png L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review
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stargrip.png.4285948f41f1409613266e7803f0bbaa.png Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up
Ball: :Snell:Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow

Tracked By: shotscope.png.4a7089f2bddff325285b1266a61dda03.png  Shot Scope H4
Bag: :1590477705_SunMountain: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync
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  • 3 weeks later...

The back end of this past golf season saw me practicing almost none and playing very little. I slowly reverted back to a long back swing that got across the line pretty far, and subsequently my ball contact was really poor.

I've been getting some more swings in the last few weeks to clean it up a bit, and was pretty pleased with my most recent range session over the weekend. Curious to hear any of your thoughts:

Something I've always struggled with to some degree is early extension, which I believe I still have in the swing above. Another thing that (I believe) results from that is my exit tends to be "high and right-ish" instead of "low and left". I'm probably going to try to diagnose a little more thoroughly and work on that, unless anyone has a good reason they don't think I should 😉  Always something to work on!

Right Handed

Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

2 Hybrid: 18° :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

3/Driving Iron: 18° :Hogan: UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft)

Irons: 4-GW :titelist-small: T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here)

Wedges: 54° & 58° post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300)

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here)

Ball: MAXFLI Tour X

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1 hour ago, ncwoz said:

The back end of this past golf season saw me practicing almost none and playing very little. I slowly reverted back to a long back swing that got across the line pretty far, and subsequently my ball contact was really poor.

I've been getting some more swings in the last few weeks to clean it up a bit, and was pretty pleased with my most recent range session over the weekend. Curious to hear any of your thoughts:

Something I've always struggled with to some degree is early extension, which I believe I still have in the swing above. Another thing that (I believe) results from that is my exit tends to be "high and right-ish" instead of "low and left". I'm probably going to try to diagnose a little more thoroughly and work on that, unless anyone has a good reason they don't think I should 😉  Always something to work on!

You rotate the hips early, have what looks like a little lift of the arms to the top. Not really an issue. Your issue is you pull down on the shaft/club so you are steep in transition and have no choice but to early extend to shallow the club and make contact with the ball

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You rotate the hips early, have what looks like a little lift of the arms to the top. Not really an issue. Your issue is you pull down on the shaft/club so you are steep in transition and have no choice but to early extend to shallow the club and make contact with the ball

https://youtube.com/shorts/gnyjNnfRP_8?feature=share

To your eye is this better, worse or the same? This is from last winter.

Right Handed

Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

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8 hours ago, ncwoz said:

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To your eye is this better, worse or the same? This is from last winter.

It’s not as drastic but you still early extend. In this one it’s more about balance points and your butt being too far behind your heels.  The posture in the first video is a lot better than this one. 
 

Your hip joint should be stacked over your ankles. The back of your armpits should should be inline with the balls Of your feet. If you draw a straight line from the back of your armpits it should run straight into your knees and the balls of your feet. 
 

Pretty much every instructor I’ve seen or watched the hips don’t start to rotate until the club goes from what GG refers to as p1.5.  This is where I’m between the setup and club parallel to the ground and even then it’s only a small amount. 

Here’s a good video 

Based on your swing and your handicap you are like me in that we have this shaft steeping but have worked at our swings enough that we can time them up pretty consistently and get around the course with some good scores. If you are trying to improve I would recommend seeing a coach to have him or her get you going with the right drills.

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s not as drastic but you still early extend. In this one it’s more about balance points and your butt being too far behind your heels.  The posture in the first video is a lot better than this one. 
 

Your hip joint should be stacked over your ankles. The back of your armpits should should be inline with the balls Of your feet. If you draw a straight line from the back of your armpits it should run straight into your knees and the balls of your feet. 
 

Pretty much every instructor I’ve seen or watched the hips don’t start to rotate until the club goes from what GG refers to as p1.5.  This is where I’m between the setup and club parallel to the ground and even then it’s only a small amount. 

Here’s a good video 

Based on your swing and your handicap you are like me in that we have this shaft steeping but have worked at our swings enough that we can time them up pretty consistently and get around the course with some good scores. If you are trying to improve I would recommend seeing a coach to have him or her get you going with the right drills.

You've got a good eye! One of the things I worked on this year from last winter was my setup, but in the process I regressed some on the early extension.

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7 minutes ago, ncwoz said:

You've got a good eye! One of the things I worked on this year from last winter was my setup, but in the process I regressed some on the early extension.

Thanks I spent a lot of time over the last couple years trying to learn as much about the golf swing as possible. I’ve bought all of Monte’s video series, I’ve watched a ton of Chris Ryan’s videos on YouTube, been watching meandmygolf for several years. Have spent a bunch of time watching AMG and have had some of the courses on and off. Watched some others on YouTube and instagrams. I bought GG’s online program near the end of 2020 and went thru that. Learned a lot from that course and while he has some interesting terms and what many would call funky moves he teaches a lot of what older greats have done and combines what lots of the big hitters do especially Jamie sadlowski. A lot of what he teaches is similar to what others teach he just does it a little differently.  For him and several others it’s about matchups more than exact positions. There’s a little leeway in where a person can be during each aspect of the swing.

I recently started following Porzak and learned a bunch from him.

Setup and proper ball position are key. If they are off then it’s just compensation from there for the club being out of position.  Club parallel and lead arm parallel are key spots in the swing. If you are out of position at either of those spots it’s hard to recover especially lead arm parallel since the swing is 1/2 over at that point.

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On 7/11/2021 at 5:26 PM, chisag said:

 

... There is a lot of chicken or egg elements in any golf swing so I don't like talking club or body positions because there can be a myriad of reasons why, other than the obvious. An instructor in person/hands on can really help you better than a video critique. That said, I can give you 2 things to look at. Like most Ams, you are taking the club back too far to the inside which will almost always produce an over the top downswing. When your hands are waist high the club is well inside them and your right elbow is rising instead of folding. About 8 seconds in when your hands are just below waist high in the downswing, you are releasing the angle. Ideally you would like your right elbow pointing down and even with the front of your hip not behind it, which allows you to turn your hips through at impact. Your hips are still square instead of open at impact because your right arm is holding them back. 

... That is a LOT of info so the main things to concentrate on is getting the club on plane instead of inside on the back swing and getting your right elbow in front of your right hip on the downswing. One drill to help you feel this is stand with your feet together/knees locked so they don't bend and hit full shots with your 7 iron. This can give you a feel for cocking the club on plane going back and getting the right elbow in front on the downswing. Your hips should naturally open through impact even though your legs are locked. If you are successful doing this drill, you can start moving your feet apart about 6" at a time until you get to your normal address position. That will usually take anywhere from 5-10 different sessions (or more) under the watchful eyes of an instructor so be patient and don't rush it. 

 

I'm revisiting this post as part of my 2022 swing adjustment.  I am a guy who has about 6-8 "different feeling" swings and tend to cycle through them when one isn't "working" at the moment.... sometimes mid round... Horrible approach, I know (both approach to the swing, and literal approach to the green :/).  I fully understand that I need to work on the right things and ride that horse to the sunset... 2022, I'm dedicating to do that.  I did take a two swing lessons last year, however I wasn't happy with the "method" from the instructors... So I'm looking for a swing coach that I can trust and consistently work with to better develop good swing technique... I'm not looking for a quick fix... and I'm willing to put in the work to effectively change my swing for the better.  

All that background to say... @Chisag - I'm going to start with your drill above, and work to get my backswing in the correct position, and my hands in front of my hips on the downswing instead of stuck behind... so thank you again for the comments which gives me something to work on and take to my coach, when I find him/her.

 

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30 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

 I did take a two swing lessons last year, however I wasn't happy with the "method" from the instructors... So I'm looking for a swing coach that I can trust and consistently work with to better develop good swing technique... I'm not looking for a quick fix... and I'm willing to put in the work to effectively change my swing for the better.  

What are you looking for from an instructor?  You describe “method” indicating they taught a particular swing style.  Are you looking more for a fix to your current approach or putting in time to totally rebuild your swing?   

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What are you looking for from an instructor?  You describe “method” indicating they taught a particular swing style.  Are you looking more for a fix to your current approach or putting in time to totally rebuild your swing?   

Great question.  Maybe "approach" is a better way to say it - rather than method. 

I'm looking for an instructor that I can communicate with first of all.  I want to understand what and why my swing is flawed, and the how to improve the flaw.  I'm not setting out looking for a total rebuild of my swing, unless it is required (in which case, I'm committed to putting in the time to do so) - so trusting an instructor and being able to communicate back and forth to set realistic expectations (albeit stretch expectations within my potential) is what I'm looking for.  Less band-aid and more root cause improvements.  Maybe I'm looking for a unicorn, and nothing against the two pro's I took lessons from - just didn't connect in the way I was hoping to, but there are a lot of good instructors out there, just need to find one.

 

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20 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

Great question.  Maybe "approach" is a better way to say it - rather than method. 

I'm looking for an instructor that I can communicate with first of all.  I want to understand what and why my swing is flawed, and the how to improve the flaw.  I'm not setting out looking for a total rebuild of my swing, unless it is required (in which case, I'm committed to putting in the time to do so) - so trusting an instructor and being able to communicate back and forth to set realistic expectations (albeit stretch expectations within my potential) is what I'm looking for.  Less band-aid and more root cause improvements.  Maybe I'm looking for a unicorn, and nothing against the two pro's I took lessons from - just didn't connect in the way I was hoping to, but there are a lot of good instructors out there, just need to find one.

 

Makes perfect sense, we always want to find an instructor that we can communicate well with.  If communication is difficult then it is hard to improve.  .  

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17 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

Great question.  Maybe "approach" is a better way to say it - rather than method. 

I'm looking for an instructor that I can communicate with first of all.  I want to understand what and why my swing is flawed, and the how to improve the flaw.  I'm not setting out looking for a total rebuild of my swing, unless it is required (in which case, I'm committed to putting in the time to do so) - so trusting an instructor and being able to communicate back and forth to set realistic expectations (albeit stretch expectations within my potential) is what I'm looking for.  Less band-aid and more root cause improvements.  Maybe I'm looking for a unicorn, and nothing against the two pro's I took lessons from - just didn't connect in the way I was hoping to, but there are a lot of good instructors out there, just need to find one.

 

IMO at a 7.9 handicap you shouldn't be trying to rebuild at all. That is unless you have recovered from an injury and your range of motion or something changed. We all hope that is not the case. You should be able to find someone that you can connect with and find the things that need a slight tweak to get you to the next level that you want to get to. The key is finding the right person that can see these little things that need a tweak, can break it down so you can understand, and give you drills to get the feeling that someone is trying to explain to you. It's not easy to find the right person but keep at it. 

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49 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

Great question.  Maybe "approach" is a better way to say it - rather than method. 

I'm looking for an instructor that I can communicate with first of all.  I want to understand what and why my swing is flawed, and the how to improve the flaw.  I'm not setting out looking for a total rebuild of my swing, unless it is required (in which case, I'm committed to putting in the time to do so) - so trusting an instructor and being able to communicate back and forth to set realistic expectations (albeit stretch expectations within my potential) is what I'm looking for.  Less band-aid and more root cause improvements.  Maybe I'm looking for a unicorn, and nothing against the two pro's I took lessons from - just didn't connect in the way I was hoping to, but there are a lot of good instructors out there, just need to find one.

 

 

... This is exactly how every student should approach finding an instructor. If you are not clicking with an instructor, try another. I have always felt a good instructor will help you do what you already do ... just better. In other words say take an over the top swing that casts early and produces a weak slice and turn it into a less over the top, reduced casting producing a more powerful fade. That said, if the student wants to go down the difficult road of completely re-working their swing and is willing to put in the time and the effort a good instructor can certainly accommodate that. But it was my experience that golfers just want to get better at what they already do, especially those that have been doing it for a long time and simply do not have the time to revamp their swings. Remembering it took Tiger a full year of hitting balls every single day to make a swing change, it is easy to see why most students do not have that kind of time. Find out what the student really wants, and sometimes they can have little idea of exactly what that is, and then help them accomplish that. 

... The second part of the equation is I felt like you teach the person first and the swing second. So getting your student to like you should always be a goal. Students are as varied as swings and instructor needs to find out how best to communicate and how a student learns. Starting a detailed explanation I could see eyes starting to gloss over or soak in every word. Some wanted to see me hit shots and demonstrate while others didn't want me "mocking" their swings. Teaching is extremely difficult and the best instructors know how to communicate, adjust quickly and help their students to enjoy their lessons. It was my experience that many are pretty set in their ways and their methods, so Tiftaaft I applaud your efforts to find the right instructor that clicks for your swing and your personality.

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23 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

We all hope that is not the case.

Thanks Tom, I appreciate your comments.  No injury here, unless you count my ever aging 53 y.o. body/swing 😉.  

 

25 minutes ago, chisag said:

Starting a detailed explanation I could see eyes starting to gloss over or soak in every word. Some wanted to see me hit shots and demonstrate while others didn't want me "mocking" their swings. Teaching is extremely difficult and the best instructors know how to communicate, adjust quickly and help their students to enjoy their lessons.

Well said chisag, wish I was closer to Phoenix!  I think I'm pretty open when discussing my swing, I'm not going to be offended or disagree with , and as far as details... I'm a sponge (probably part of my problem).  You are correct, a lot of self taught habits in my swing that will take effort to break down and build better habits.  

You guys have me excited to get out and start interviewing instructors!!

 

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8 hours ago, Tiftaaft said:

Thanks Tom, I appreciate your comments.  No injury here, unless you count my ever aging 53 y.o. body/swing 

 

Probably better than my 63 year old body /swing!

 I haven't  seen a video of my swing and don't want to. I'm afraid I would want to change things. My thought is, it's the swing I have and it's working for me (for now). 

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