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9 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... One of the most consistent flaws I saw when teaching was players taking the club back to the inside instead of on plane. Stop your video when the shaft is parallel to the ground on the backswing at 5 sec. and you can see the club head is well behind your hands. Should be in front of your hands or at least even with them. You are dragging the club back with your body instead of hinging your wrists. At the same point on your downswing the shaft has already been released and you are again dragging it through impact which causes a myriad of problems including hitting the hosel. 

... Start by making little chips and progressing to pitches focusing on hinging your wrists immediately and keeping the club head in front of your hands. Do not swing past waist high with your hands. The big difference is instead of the shaft being parallel when your hands are waist high, it should be vertical. Once you start getting the feel you can begin increasing the length of your backswing but just a little bit at a time. You are training yourself to do something almost 100% different than what you are doing now so it should feel VERY different. Take your time and don't rush lengthening your backswing. You can easily hit waist high pitches for a week engraining the new feel. I think that is plenty to start with, so good luck! 

What Sam said.  Your right wrist / hands dominate the downswing and prevent your left wrist from hinging.  

Positives...your swing plane is super super good man.  This should be a very easy fix on a path to some much better ball striking.

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... This is a pretty good video that should help illustrate what I posted:
 

 

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1 hour ago, chisag said:

 

... One of the most consistent flaws I saw when teaching was players taking the club back to the inside instead of on plane. Stop your video when the shaft is parallel to the ground on the backswing at 5 sec. and you can see the club head is well behind your hands. Should be in front of your hands or at least even with them. You are dragging the club back with your body instead of hinging your wrists. At the same point on your downswing the shaft has already been released and you are again dragging it through impact which causes a myriad of problems including hitting the hosel. 

... Start by making little chips and progressing to pitches focusing on hinging your wrists immediately and keeping the club head in front of your hands. Do not swing past waist high with your hands. The big difference is instead of the shaft being parallel when your hands are waist high, it should be vertical. Once you start getting the feel you can begin increasing the length of your backswing but just a little bit at a time. You are training yourself to do something almost 100% different than what you are doing now so it should feel VERY different. Take your time and don't rush lengthening your backswing. You can easily hit waist high pitches for a week engraining the new feel. I think that is plenty to start with, so good luck! 

Thanks for this. Wrist set is something I struggle with and can adapt the feel for that early wrist set. 

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Trying to understand my heel strike slice. Rent out and just videoed three swings: baseline, during some NTC cast A practice after a couple emphasis, post is after about ten NTC cast A. I think my heel strike is coming from being to outside in so really trying to work on that. As well I am going to try and incorporate a slightly closed stance.  I don’t post my swing a lot anymore since it gets me overthinking things. Sorry for no ball and slightly different viewpoints. 
 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said:

Trying to understand my heel strike slice. Rent out and just videoed three swings: baseline, during some NTC cast A practice after a couple emphasis, post is after about ten NTC cast A. I think my heel strike is coming from being to outside in so really trying to work on that. As well I am going to try and incorporate a slightly closed stance.  I don’t post my swing a lot anymore since it gets me overthinking things. Sorry for no ball and slightly different viewpoints. 
 

 

 

Several screen captures from each of the 3 videos and you will see that you have the same issue in all of them. You have no wrist set which when you do NTC is the first thing that happens on the no turn part.

You hips turn flat and you left arm separates from chest, not as much in the after ntc video. In that move you shouldn’t have any separation. All of this causes you to log the arms and you have no hip depth. So even though you squat you create no room for your arms. At the top of your swing your right arm in all 3 is bent past 90*.  At the start of the downswing your just spinning the hips and because there was no hip depth your right hip comes out rather than your left hip cling back. 
 

Also in the transition especially in the after no cast video your left arm stays pinned to the chest and doesn’t separate to start and there’s no cast A movement before your chest starts to rotate.

 

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Okay for years I've religiously chosen not to record my swing, adjusting things based on feel and what the ball does.  I chose not to record it based on some earlier rabbit holes I went down when I first started playing.  In any case I played with my brother last week for the first time in a few years and he recorded a couple swings while we were playing.  I have to say, beyond my John Dalyesque physique I'm pretty happy with what I see.  There's obviously a few minor things I'd like to tweak but I'm curious if anyone sees anything that I could work on to help me get a little more consistent.  I shot a very easy no stress 85 with 5 three puts (uncharacteristic, but they were literally club championship pin placement) and me forgetting that I was at 2500 feet elevation not 5700(approach in was well short all day from poor club selection).

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You have a false turn in the backswing. You look like you turn because your left hip comes forward with no right hip depth. The right hip should be moving back and behind your right heel. This will have the left hip come forward naturally.

Your arms then do all the work which leads you having a right arm that collapses beyond 90*.  Your downswing is all arms and very steep which then you bring them out in front to hit the ball. You seem to have good hand/eye coordination which helps you make decent contact. 
 

Learning how the shoulders and rib cage turn along with the hips. 
 

Along with this being better connected with arms and body. 
 

If you want to improve then find somebody to work with to help you get better

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Just so we're clear.  You're saying that getting my right hip back will help get a proper the turn which will help to not have my left arm collapse at the top which will also potentially help with the steepness of the swing?  

 

The arm collapse is one of the things I noticed I need to work on as is the steep ness of the swing.  Also, a good teacher is definitely in the near future.

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2 hours ago, Syks7 said:

Just so we're clear.  You're saying that getting my right hip back will help get a proper the turn which will help to not have my left arm collapse at the top which will also potentially help with the steepness of the swing?  

 

The arm collapse is one of the things I noticed I need to work on as is the steep ness of the swing.  Also, a good teacher is definitely in the near future.

The proper turn won’t guarantee that you don’t collapse your right arm. Getting the rest set properly and having a good grip will help prevent it. From the angle of the face on and distance it’s are too what your grip looks like. 
 

Somd good videos on the grip, takeaway, backswing and shortening the swing 

https://youtu.be/12_5Yr-eQ6U

 

https://youtu.be/eXlnbcfcO_A

 

https://youtu.be/I2y318cjLpM

 

https://youtu.be/Il9psAww86k


 

 

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On 8/15/2021 at 12:20 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

The proper turn won’t guarantee that you don’t collapse your right arm. Getting the rest set properly and having a good grip will help prevent it. From the angle of the face on and distance it’s are too what your grip looks like. 
 

Somd good videos on the grip, takeaway, backswing and shortening the swing 

Solid advice.  Just back from a short range session and working some of this in made a noticeable difference.  Thanks

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2 hours ago, Syks7 said:

Solid advice.  Just back from a short range session and working some of this in made a noticeable difference.  Thanks

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Ok I finally got around to taking some swing vids. Mind you I'm 100% self-taught and it probably shows quite a bit. Most of my swing has been what I've picked up from YouTube-U and MGS. I'm currently working on some more rotation in the back swing as well as keeping my arms straight without hinging my wrists so dramatically.. so it's a work in progress. The driver video yielded about a 290 yd roll out and the iron shot was my PW° from about 138 yds. Pulled it a tad but still landed the green just left of the pin. 

 

I'll also add that I'm hoping to shed a good 20-30 lbs in the next 3-4 months and work on even more flexibility. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm embarking on something new: getting actual advice from an actually qualified person on my swing. I'll definitely be needing to update my "Single Digit Project" thread.

But for now, I thought I'd post a compilation of swing videos here, since I took them to upload for a coach. I'm wondering what you all see in this sequence:

My thoughts:

  • I'd like to see the club outside my hands on the backswing and then shallow. It's not awful or unplayable, but my path is still inside on the backswing and out-to-in on the downswing. The path results in either a playable cut or (if the face closes) a nuclear pull. You can see this on the first two DTL swings: the first is a pull, the second a push-fade.
  • On the face on: I think it would be beneficial if my entire upper body and head didn't slide down the line into impact. On iron shots, it tends to be reasonably playable: it gives me a sharply downward AoA. But I suspect that that move is part of the explanation for my driver woes.
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21 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

I'm embarking on something new: getting actual advice from an actually qualified person on my swing. I'll definitely be needing to update my "Single Digit Project" thread.

But for now, I thought I'd post a compilation of swing videos here, since I took them to upload for a coach. I'm wondering what you all see in this sequence:

My thoughts:

  • I'd like to see the club outside my hands on the backswing and then shallow. It's not awful or unplayable, but my path is still inside on the backswing and out-to-in on the downswing. The path results in either a playable cut or (if the face closes) a nuclear pull. You can see this on the first two DTL swings: the first is a pull, the second a push-fade.
  • On the face on: I think it would be beneficial if my entire upper body and head didn't slide down the line into impact. On iron shots, it tends to be reasonably playable: it gives me a sharply downward AoA. But I suspect that that move is part of the explanation for my driver woes.

 

... LOTS to like about your swing! 👍  Honestly you touched on the major points I would make and a great place to start but you look really good and have no doubt single digits are a sooner rather than later goal. 

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2 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... LOTS to like about your swing! 👍  Honestly you touched on the major points I would make and a great place to start but you look really good and have no doubt single digits are a sooner rather than later goal. 

Really appreciate the kind words. But the reality is, looking back at my preseason Arccos numbers vs right now, I've stalled. I've been stuck right around this 13 handicap number all year. And while there's room for improvement in my short game and putting, on a SG basis, they're not what's holding me back from being a single digit player.

In either case, even if I'm right in my diagnoses, I'm looking forward to having someone give me specific counsel on how to address these issues.

FWIW: I'm the kid who in high school had textbook free throw form but still couldn't make the shots. 🙂

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53 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:
  • I'd like to see the club outside my hands on the backswing and then shallow. It's not awful or unplayable, but my path is still inside on the backswing and out-to-in on the downswing. The path results in either a playable cut or (if the face closes) a nuclear pull. You can see this on the first two DTL swings: the first is a pull, the second a push-fade.
  • On the face on: I think it would be beneficial if my entire upper body and head didn't slide down the line into impact. On iron shots, it tends to be reasonably playable: it gives me a sharply downward AoA. But I suspect that that move is part of the explanation for my driver woes.

If you're like me, the sliding tends to be the effect of the inside back swing. You know that you need to shallow on the downswing and not be "over the top," so you move forward and drop the hands. If my timing is good, it's good. Poor timing ends up with hooks or blocks with irons, and push slices with the driver.

(Disclaimer: I almost never do this, and I'm a mid-cap with no teaching experience.)

What happens if you feel a little more stretched out in the setup, with a little more knee bend? If you can get that club head coming just a touch more from the outside, you might snag a little more hip depth which can get you more space to let the arms/hands come back though.

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26 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Really appreciate the kind words. But the reality is, looking back at my preseason Arccos numbers vs right now, I've stalled. I've been stuck right around this 13 handicap number all year. And while there's room for improvement in my short game and putting, on a SG basis, they're not what's holding me back from being a single digit player.

In either case, even if I'm right in my diagnoses, I'm looking forward to having someone give me specific counsel on how to address these issues.

FWIW: I'm the kid who in high school had textbook free throw form but still couldn't make the shots. 🙂

 

... Funny game for sure. I have seen less than ideal swings score well and beautiful swings score poorly. So much to this game other than a good swing. Good luck and stalled or not, I think you are gonna get there. One of my goals was to get to a + index and I stalled around a 1 for quite a few years before breaking through. You have taken a big step by getting professional help.  👍

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Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

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Season's worth of work. As my season is winding down rapidly I'm happy with the progress I've made this year. (Big focus lately has been getting to my front side in the downswing. Might be overdoing it just a touch at this point, but when I don't exaggerate I fall into bad habits.)

 

 

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Unofficial WHS Handicap: 9.1 / Anti-Cap: 14.3 (Last Updated Oct. 9, 2021)

Driver: callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Epic Max LS (9°), 45.75", Dumina AutoFlex SF505X | Unofficial AutoFlex Review
17° Hybrid:
callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Super Hybrid, 41.5", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX
18.5° Driving Iron: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2016 Model), 39.5", Mitsubishi MMT Utility 105 TX
21° Hybrid:
callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Epic Flash, 40", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX
4 Utility: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", UST Mamiya Recoil 110 F5
5-AW:  
Sub70_Logo_WhtBlk.jpg.aee386374adf9afd31a02b989c839f9d.jpg Sub70 699 (5-6)/699 Pro (7-AW) Combo Set, 1° Flat, 37" 7 Iron, Mitsubishi MMT Taper 105 TX | Build Thread
54°, 58°:
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
Putter:
image.png.49fcc172a1ed0010d930fbe1c5dc8b79.png L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review
Grips: 
lamkin.png.5081890e009ae78e16066ee0fd18b7c0.png Lamkin Sonar Tour
Ball: :Snell:Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow

Tracked By: :Arccos: Arccos | #CobraConnect Review
Bag: :1590477705_SunMountain: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync
Riding On: :CaddyTek: CaddyTek Caddylite EZ V8 | Unofficial Review

WITB? | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver

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