Stillnumber1 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I golfed with a gentleman today who claimed that golf shafts "wear out" and need to be replaced every 4 years (assuming 50 rounds per year). Can anyone (equipment junkies, club builders, club fitters, etc.) please chime in with your thoughts on this? Is this a valid claim? Nolan220 1 Quote --WITB-- Ping i15 Driver 9.5° Stiff Ping i25 Fairway 15° Stiff Kasco k2k 44 Utility 19° Stiff Kasco k2k 55 Utility 22° Stiff Miura CB-501 Irons 5-9 KBS Tour Stiff Scratch 8620 d/d grind PW 47° Scratch 8620 d/d grind GW 53° Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 SW 58° 2 dot Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 LW 60° 1 dot Never Compromise Putter Sub 30 Type-50 Snell MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I think he might be full of .... silver & black 1 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Tell him to stop playing hickory shafts and to start using today's graphite and steel shafts. I am not an expert and have never evaluated the playing characteristics of shafts after x number of round but I am pretty confident that and amateur player will not notice any difference in performance silver & black and Shankster 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGE89 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 It was my understanding that a shaft will only wear out from cracks and if it has been stored at a freezing cold temperature. I certainly don't claim to be any sort of expert on the subject though and am curious to see what others have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Graphite does break down from being repeatedly flexed. Steel, no. But graphite absolutely does. Same as composite equipment in other sports. That's why Rory changes his shafts at least once a year. Lots of tour pros do their graphite with the same shaft. Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskanski Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Graphite does break down from being repeatedly flexed. Steel, no. But graphite absolutely does. Same as composite equipment in other sports. That's why Rory changes his shafts at least once a year. Lots of tour pros do their graphite with the same shaft. Graphite will degrade eventually (mostly due to UV radiation) but the amount of stress needed to cause the plys to break down is generally a lot more than the average swing. I've got some graphite shafts that are over 10 years old and still perfectly playable. I don't dispute that many pros change out their shafts on a regular basis, but they are probably paying zilch for the privilege and even if they aren't, they normally have enough coin not to worry about the cost. silver & black, Rtracymog and BH43 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I've read stories about PGA Tour players using the same exact driver shaft for years. Given how much practice and playing they do, I would say definitely no average player should worry about a shaft "wearing down" BH43 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I doubt that any of us junkies on this site would need to worry about using equipment through it's wear cycle. Jiro, silver & black, MDGolfHacker and 1 other 4 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I golfed with a gentleman today who claimed that golf shafts "wear out" and need to be replaced every 4 years (assuming 50 rounds per year). Can anyone (equipment junkies, club builders, club fitters, etc.) please chime in with your thoughts on this? Is this a valid claim? Sounds he's full of shafts Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy fixyurdivot, Hook DeLoft, Jiro and 3 others 5 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4NASH Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 over time yes a shaft will start to become more flex then it used to be. tour players change out there shafts like every six months. normal golfers who don't swing as fast ware out in year or two. we don't need shaft changes that much or if u buy new clubs each year. tour players swing there clubs 2-3x more then we do in a whole year. grips always replaced every 4-3months. some of my grips already need replacing and had em for a couple months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 over time yes a shaft will start to become more flex then it used to be. tour players change out there shafts like every six months. normal golfers who don't swing as fast ware out in year or two. we don't need shaft changes that much or if u buy new clubs each year. tour players swing there clubs 2-3x more then we do in a whole year. grips always replaced every 4-3months. some of my grips already need replacing and had em for a couple months Do you have a source for any of the information you just provided? Because I've read plenty of stories about just the opposite in regards to tour players changing shafts Nolan220 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Deleted Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Deleted - sorry it was a duplicate Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Nolan220 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdwjdw Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I had a set of dynamic gold x100 in play for about 15 years. They where in 3 different sets of heads and played great in all 3 sets. Personally it's the heads on the short irons that wear out hence the need to change clubs. Today's manufacturing process means that shafts last longer than the shafts of yesteryear. That being said I had an interesting test recently with an assistant pro who hit an old hickory mashie the same distance as his callaway 6 iron and said it felt great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy null 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ee273 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I've never heard this and often the opposite that the shafts have a much longer life than the heads. The "experts" I've talked to say the part that wears out are grooves and if you hit a lot off of mats that the lie angles of the heads can drift over time, especially with forged heads. null 1 Quote Alpine, UT In the bag: Driver: Callaway GBB Epic, Diamana M+ 50g Stiff Shaft 3W: Cleveland FL3W, Miyasaki 43g Stiff Shaft 4 Hybrid: Taylormade SLDR Fujikura? Stiff Shaft 4i: Mizuno MP-H5, KBS Tour C-Taper Lite 110 S Shaft 5i-PW: Mizuno MP-25, KBS Tour C-Taper Lite 110 S Shaft Wedges: 50, 54, 58 degree Mizuno T7 Blue Anodized, Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Shaft Putter: EVNROLL ER7, Custom Fit 35", 71 degree lie angle and 1 degree of loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why do you have a club that long to begin with?!?! Club Ho is life! If you have a driver over two years, you're missing out on at least 1.7 yards. Time to sack up and buy a new driver! Shafts wearing out? Sounds like a personal problem to me. I have no idea if a shaft can wear out because I haven't had a club in my bag for over two years. MDGolfHacker, Thatginger96 and Nolan220 3 Quote Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatginger96 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I never keep my clubs long enough to find out if they will wear out, my swing speed though is roughly in line with the Tour swing speeds so if I actually played/practiced more than once every two weeks I might look into this Sent from my Pixel using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Cunningham Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I've had a set of Ping G10 irons, with graphite shafts, for about 10 years, but only played occasionally (c. 10-15 times a year). In 2019 the head came off my Lob Wedge on the downswing, and yesterday the 6 iron shaft broke. From the comments on here it seems that i'm just unlucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dave Cunningham said: I've had a set of Ping G10 irons, with graphite shafts, for about 10 years, but only played occasionally (c. 10-15 times a year). In 2019 the head came off my Lob Wedge on the downswing, and yesterday the 6 iron shaft broke. From the comments on here it seems that i'm just unlucky? Yup. Could have broke for any number of reasons. There are people that have brand new graphite or steel shafts break randomly. Not common, but it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Without empirical evidence it is hard to prove either point however I have seen a graphite shaft under a constant strain for a short period of time and the shaft remained in the same bend profile when the strain was removed. Does that mean the shaft will wear out? eh. Yes I do believe the shaft will wear out. 200 rounds is pretty short imo. The would have to depend on the golfer. 1) how fast was the golfer swinging 2) how aggressive was the golfer swinging, 3) did the golfer make consistent strike not hitting the ground , you get where this heads. Obviously the more strain and shock placed on the club the more frequently it will need replaced. on the contrary, if the same number of rounds where played by a more relaxed player then the equipment wold last far longer. 4 years imo is too short but yes it can wear out. steel to can wear out but that is more from the affect of mother nature, sitting the garage of the winter and golf tendencies etc. again this is a very very long time cnosil 1 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I think the shaft on my ball retriever is wearing out. aerospace_ray 1 Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 On 5/4/2017 at 9:15 PM, Stillnumber1 said: I golfed with a gentleman today who claimed that golf shafts "wear out" and need to be replaced every 4 years (assuming 50 rounds per year). Can anyone (equipment junkies, club builders, club fitters, etc.) please chime in with your thoughts on this? Is this a valid claim? I think his claim is off by at least one order of magnitude. I am still double hulling 40 year old gen 1 graphite fly rods that effectively use the same basic build technology and, see much higher duty cycles. JohnSmalls 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Webb Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Well, Bernhard Langer may disagree since he transferred the same Hogan Apex shafts into many sets over the years. He played a lot with them and very well! Quote Driver Titleist 910 with KuroKage R or Cleveland Classic 3 wd Titleist 910 with Diamana 7 wd Snake eyes with Irod 23 and 28 Adams Idea Pro Gold Hybrids with nv protos Irons either Adams Idea Pro Gold chrome or smoke, or wishon 555 with KK 70 TM wedges Putters - Snake eyes (4), Cleveland (8), Cameron (6), or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Webb Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I don't think they wear out but have seen many sets of steel that develop quite a warp to them. Quote Driver Titleist 910 with KuroKage R or Cleveland Classic 3 wd Titleist 910 with Diamana 7 wd Snake eyes with Irod 23 and 28 Adams Idea Pro Gold Hybrids with nv protos Irons either Adams Idea Pro Gold chrome or smoke, or wishon 555 with KK 70 TM wedges Putters - Snake eyes (4), Cleveland (8), Cameron (6), or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerospace_ray Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I have never seen a graphite shaft "wear out" from normal play going back at least 30yrs. I have had to reshaft numerous steel, aluminum Easton -( anyone remember those? )due to getting bent/warped. Now where I do caution my friends that like to reshaft alot is with the graphite shafts as the shaft tips can change size/diameter if one does not properly pull & prep the shaft tip. Can't count how many times I get asked to fix an improperly pulled/damaged graphite shaft. Many times I can't the damage is so bad. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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