Stillnumber1 61 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I golfed with a gentleman today who claimed that golf shafts "wear out" and need to be replaced every 4 years (assuming 50 rounds per year). Can anyone (equipment junkies, club builders, club fitters, etc.) please chime in with your thoughts on this? Is this a valid claim? 1 Quote --WITB-- Ping i15 Driver 9.5° Stiff Ping i25 Fairway 15° Stiff Kasco k2k 44 Utility 19° Stiff Kasco k2k 55 Utility 22° Stiff Miura CB-501 Irons 5-9 KBS Tour Stiff Scratch 8620 d/d grind PW 47° Scratch 8620 d/d grind GW 53° Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 SW 58° 2 dot Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 LW 60° 1 dot Never Compromise Putter Sub 30 Type-50 Snell MTB Link to post Share on other sites
MattF 8,734 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I think he might be full of .... 1 Quote In the bag: M5 Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0 Fairway: Sub 70 939X 15° Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0 CBX 119 19° hybrid Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0 Tour B JGR 4-GW UST Mamiya Recoil 680 F4 Smartsole S Tracy Bag: Alpha Convoy 514 Balls: MTB-X Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 Testing: D7 Forged 4-GW Project X Catalyst 80 6.0 God Bless America, God save the Queen, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 13,127 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Tell him to stop playing hickory shafts and to start using today's graphite and steel shafts. I am not an expert and have never evaluated the playing characteristics of shafts after x number of round but I am pretty confident that and amateur player will not notice any difference in performance 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* with UST Proforce V2 Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: Ten S Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
BGE89 14 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 It was my understanding that a shaft will only wear out from cracks and if it has been stored at a freezing cold temperature. I certainly don't claim to be any sort of expert on the subject though and am curious to see what others have to say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RookieBlue7 1,649 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Graphite does break down from being repeatedly flexed. Steel, no. But graphite absolutely does. Same as composite equipment in other sports. That's why Rory changes his shafts at least once a year. Lots of tour pros do their graphite with the same shaft. Quote In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to post Share on other sites
jaskanski 1,138 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Graphite does break down from being repeatedly flexed. Steel, no. But graphite absolutely does. Same as composite equipment in other sports. That's why Rory changes his shafts at least once a year. Lots of tour pros do their graphite with the same shaft. Graphite will degrade eventually (mostly due to UV radiation) but the amount of stress needed to cause the plys to break down is generally a lot more than the average swing. I've got some graphite shafts that are over 10 years old and still perfectly playable. I don't dispute that many pros change out their shafts on a regular basis, but they are probably paying zilch for the privilege and even if they aren't, they normally have enough coin not to worry about the cost. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 12,542 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I've read stories about PGA Tour players using the same exact driver shaft for years. Given how much practice and playing they do, I would say definitely no average player should worry about a shaft "wearing down" Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* Tour AD BB 6X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 49F - 54S - 59D Putter ????? Tour B X SuperSpeed Forum Tester Initial Driver Speed on Provided Monitor: 109 MPH Link to post Share on other sites
gaussman1 1,512 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I doubt that any of us junkies on this site would need to worry about using equipment through it's wear cycle. 4 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 15,247 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I golfed with a gentleman today who claimed that golf shafts "wear out" and need to be replaced every 4 years (assuming 50 rounds per year). Can anyone (equipment junkies, club builders, club fitters, etc.) please chime in with your thoughts on this? Is this a valid claim? Sounds he's full of shafts Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 5 1 Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver F Max 5 wood 9 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* C300 4i-GP Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56* EYE 2 Wedge 60* O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy Official Tester 2020 Beginning Driver Speed - 78 Link to post Share on other sites
4NASH 6 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 over time yes a shaft will start to become more flex then it used to be. tour players change out there shafts like every six months. normal golfers who don't swing as fast ware out in year or two. we don't need shaft changes that much or if u buy new clubs each year. tour players swing there clubs 2-3x more then we do in a whole year. grips always replaced every 4-3months. some of my grips already need replacing and had em for a couple months Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 12,542 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 over time yes a shaft will start to become more flex then it used to be. tour players change out there shafts like every six months. normal golfers who don't swing as fast ware out in year or two. we don't need shaft changes that much or if u buy new clubs each year. tour players swing there clubs 2-3x more then we do in a whole year. grips always replaced every 4-3months. some of my grips already need replacing and had em for a couple months Do you have a source for any of the information you just provided? Because I've read plenty of stories about just the opposite in regards to tour players changing shafts 1 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* Tour AD BB 6X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 49F - 54S - 59D Putter ????? Tour B X SuperSpeed Forum Tester Initial Driver Speed on Provided Monitor: 109 MPH Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 15,247 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Deleted Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver F Max 5 wood 9 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* C300 4i-GP Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56* EYE 2 Wedge 60* O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy Official Tester 2020 Beginning Driver Speed - 78 Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 15,247 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Deleted - sorry it was a duplicate Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver F Max 5 wood 9 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* C300 4i-GP Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56* EYE 2 Wedge 60* O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy Official Tester 2020 Beginning Driver Speed - 78 Link to post Share on other sites
jdwjdw 2 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I had a set of dynamic gold x100 in play for about 15 years. They where in 3 different sets of heads and played great in all 3 sets. Personally it's the heads on the short irons that wear out hence the need to change clubs. Today's manufacturing process means that shafts last longer than the shafts of yesteryear. That being said I had an interesting test recently with an assistant pro who hit an old hickory mashie the same distance as his callaway 6 iron and said it felt great. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ee273 16 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I've never heard this and often the opposite that the shafts have a much longer life than the heads. The "experts" I've talked to say the part that wears out are grooves and if you hit a lot off of mats that the lie angles of the heads can drift over time, especially with forged heads. 1 Quote Alpine, UT In the bag: Driver: Callaway GBB Epic, Diamana M+ 50g Stiff Shaft 3W: Cleveland FL3W, Miyasaki 43g Stiff Shaft 4 Hybrid: Taylormade SLDR Fujikura? Stiff Shaft 4i: Mizuno MP-H5, KBS Tour C-Taper Lite 110 S Shaft 5i-PW: Mizuno MP-25, KBS Tour C-Taper Lite 110 S Shaft Wedges: 50, 54, 58 degree Mizuno T7 Blue Anodized, Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Shaft Putter: EVNROLL ER7, Custom Fit 35", 71 degree lie angle and 1 degree of loft Link to post Share on other sites
txgolfjunkie 1,546 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why do you have a club that long to begin with?!?! Club Ho is life! If you have a driver over two years, you're missing out on at least 1.7 yards. Time to sack up and buy a new driver! Shafts wearing out? Sounds like a personal problem to me. I have no idea if a shaft can wear out because I haven't had a club in my bag for over two years. 3 Quote '17 M1 w/ Kyoshi Black 65X tipped 1/2" F7+ 3W 14.5* w/ Hzrdus Black 75 6.5 Pro DHy 18* w/ Hzrdus Black 85 6.5 X Forged 21* w/ Dynamic Gold X100 919 Forged 5-PW w/ Dynamic Gold X100 Glide 2.0 Stealth 50*, 54* & 58* w/ AWT 2.0 Vault Arna w/ KBS CT Tour '20 Tour B X I'm left-handed so I don't go broke buying all new clubs every week. Link to post Share on other sites
Thatginger96 148 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I never keep my clubs long enough to find out if they will wear out, my swing speed though is roughly in line with the Tour swing speeds so if I actually played/practiced more than once every two weeks I might look into this Sent from my Pixel using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Cunningham 0 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I've had a set of Ping G10 irons, with graphite shafts, for about 10 years, but only played occasionally (c. 10-15 times a year). In 2019 the head came off my Lob Wedge on the downswing, and yesterday the 6 iron shaft broke. From the comments on here it seems that i'm just unlucky? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 12,542 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 11 minutes ago, Dave Cunningham said: I've had a set of Ping G10 irons, with graphite shafts, for about 10 years, but only played occasionally (c. 10-15 times a year). In 2019 the head came off my Lob Wedge on the downswing, and yesterday the 6 iron shaft broke. From the comments on here it seems that i'm just unlucky? Yup. Could have broke for any number of reasons. There are people that have brand new graphite or steel shafts break randomly. Not common, but it happens Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* Tour AD BB 6X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 49F - 54S - 59D Putter ????? Tour B X SuperSpeed Forum Tester Initial Driver Speed on Provided Monitor: 109 MPH Link to post Share on other sites
McGolf 250 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Without empirical evidence it is hard to prove either point however I have seen a graphite shaft under a constant strain for a short period of time and the shaft remained in the same bend profile when the strain was removed. Does that mean the shaft will wear out? eh. Yes I do believe the shaft will wear out. 200 rounds is pretty short imo. The would have to depend on the golfer. 1) how fast was the golfer swinging 2) how aggressive was the golfer swinging, 3) did the golfer make consistent strike not hitting the ground , you get where this heads. Obviously the more strain and shock placed on the club the more frequently it will need replaced. on the contrary, if the same number of rounds where played by a more relaxed player then the equipment wold last far longer. 4 years imo is too short but yes it can wear out. steel to can wear out but that is more from the affect of mother nature, sitting the garage of the winter and golf tendencies etc. again this is a very very long time 1 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg ACCRA tour Z GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - 33" 3 deg loft 70 lie, lrg slight line slightly toe hang Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to post Share on other sites
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