PlaidJacket Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 I can't quote for some reason but I'm referencing MBP's post in the first part.... Most Millennials I know of and read about want to disrupt what came along before them. Some work hard at it too. It's like a badge of honor. In other words.,,, not fit in. Many also are pissed they bought a worthless education and now can't find a good paying job and perhaps even owe a ton of money. Selling coffee at Starbucks for most isn't exactly the career they dreamed of. This is probably leading to an entirely different topic at another venue... so... back to golf. So let's imagine golf like it was back in... for example, the 60's or even 70's. If anyone should have been concerned about growing the game it would have been those folks. Would it not? Much much lower participation back then and certainly not inclusive as today. Someone please find me the article from Golf Digest where the USGA and PGA were wringing their hands. Back then these were rather small obscure organizations. Now days they are huge financially. Honestly, I don't see any harm in shrinking the game. There will still be golf to be played for anyone of a like mind. It's not going to vanish just because some newer generation isn't all that into it. Don't people still play chess and baseball? The ones wringing their hands and gnashing the teeth are the powers of golf. The USGA and PGA mostly. Perhaps this also includes the equipment mfg's, and TV and other advertising and media outlets. Their REVENUE has been shrinking after an unprecedented BOOM! IMO the industry is settling back slowly and steadily into a more normal realistic level. Golf is a quite game historically speaking. The things golf historically demands and teaches are not cool or accepted to many people these days. Society as a whole has become much more coarse and self centered. This is directly at odds with golf. Again, I say... if you don't like golf and what it represents or even demands of an individual; or for whatever other reason you choose that's fine. Move along. Sorry to see you go. But, go fine something that suits you better. There's a lot out there to chose from. But don't expect the game to change because YOU don't like it or don't have time, money, patience, or skill. That's your problem. Not mine or anyone else's. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Lots of pretty crazy generalizations being made here Time to bow out of this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numberonecoog Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I can't quote for some reason but I'm referencing MBP's post in the first part.... Most Millennials I know of and read about want to disrupt what came along before them. Some work hard at it too. It's like a badge of honor. In other words.,,, not fit in. Many also are pissed they bought a worthless education and now can't find a good paying job and perhaps even owe a ton of money. Selling coffee at Starbucks for most isn't exactly the career they dreamed of. This is probably leading to an entirely different topic at another venue... so... back to golf. So let's imagine golf like it was back in... for example, the 60's or even 70's. If anyone should have been concerned about growing the game it would have been those folks. Would it not? Much much lower participation back then and certainly not inclusive as today. Someone please find me the article from Golf Digest where the USGA and PGA were wringing their hands. Back then these were rather small obscure organizations. Now days they are huge financially. Honestly, I don't see any harm in shrinking the game. There will still be golf to be played for anyone of a like mind. It's not going to vanish just because some newer generation isn't all that into it. Don't people still play chess and baseball? The ones wringing their hands and gnashing the teeth are the powers of golf. The USGA and PGA mostly. Perhaps this also includes the equipment mfg's, and TV and other advertising and media outlets. Their REVENUE has been shrinking after an unprecedented BOOM! IMO the industry is settling back slowly and steadily into a more normal realistic level. Golf is a quite game historically speaking. The things golf historically demands and teaches are not cool or accepted to many people these days. Society as a whole has become much more coarse and self centered. This is directly at odds with golf. Again, I say... if you don't like golf and what it represents or even demands of an individual; or for whatever other reason you choose that's fine. Move along. Sorry to see you go. But, go fine something that suits you better. There's a lot out there to chose from. But don't expect the game to change because YOU don't like it or don't have time, money, patience, or skill. That's your problem. Not mine or anyone else's. No one expects golf the change. I certaintly dont and none of my millenial friends expect it. You cant get pissy when it does change though. You make it sound like you want the game played how you want it to be played which sounds a lot like what youre bitching about. Check out my personal Equipment Blog and Podcast! Huntingforbirdies.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 I can tell you guys are enjoying this crazy old man's thoughts. LOL Sometimes you just have to tell it like it is. That golf channel program got to me. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 plaid, both you and numberonncoog make Excellent points, showing it's a multi-generational cause and problem. The millennial generation didn't raise themselves and many parents are waaaaay too overprotective of theirs kids' feelings, leading to some of them having no backbone or ability to handle failure and/or thinking they are special. There seems to be an attitude issue on both sides, usually some form of entitlement, whether it's (some) older/experienced players feeling like golf is "theirs" and newer/weaker golfers shouldn't be on golf courses, while (some) younger /newer players thinking golf should change to match the way more fast paced consumption they're used to. When we golf and my 9 year old nephew plays, we tee him up from our 2nd or 3rd shot, depending on hole length, and it doesn't really slow us down, so maybe have a very forward set of tees ( yes executive courses fit this bill as well) Courses could also do 3- or 6-hole mini-rounds, the challenge would be where to start them. As GolfSpyDave noted, Sacramento has a good junior 1st Tee program that makes the cost of entry very low and many courses welcome it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 ... I will add a Millennial story. I was shooting Mind Games and an extra and I started talking during a break. He is an Accountant and his firm placed him in charge of the incoming Millennials that graduated from college and were ready to join the work force in Chicago, a very competitive market. They found they were losing too many employees after 6 months to a year working there. About 30% quit or were fired. So they started a one month training program and he was placed in charge. Basically covering what it is like to work for a big company and what is expected of the employee and what they can expect from their employer. Here are the highlights:Work starts at 9am. If you come in at 9:02 you are late. Get to work early everyday and then relax until 9am. One Millennial asked "What if the line at Starbucks is slow?" She was told to get out of line and get to work on time. She walked out. You don't get a pat on the back for doing your job. You are expected to do your job. Anything less is grounds for dismissal. ​You don't get a raise for doing your job. You get a raise for going above and beyond what is expected. Work is not a place to make friends. If you happen to make a friend that is OK. You can take your break together, go to lunch together or meet after work. Work is for working, it is not a social adventure.Your cell phone is not to be used at work period. You have an office phone for work related calls. All other calls should be made on your own time. Facebook and social media are not allowed at work. If you follow these rules and work hard you can go far and fast. Raises, bonus's and perks are your reward. If you don't, you will not last very long.​... He said about 20% drop out before the class is over. That is less than before classes started and they didn't go thru training or leave work half finished. The important thing he said was that means about 75% are in the workforce and doing a good job. He thought it was unfair to lump all Millennials into one group when 75% were hard working and still with the company. The 25% were giving the rest a bad name. Food for thought if you are suffering from curmudgeonitis. Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It's golf festivus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think this conversation is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what generation you come from, stereotyping an entire group of people who are no different than you is down right disrespectful. I treat absolutely no person regardless of gender, age, race, creed or sexual orientation differently. We are ALL created equal and just because we see the world (and this game) differently doesn't make anything that we believe in less valuable that the feelings you have. I feel like this is a basic law of common decency, but maybe that's just a millennial thing. I find it totally offensive for someone to disregard an opinion of another human being simply because they are younger than them. Yes, you have experience. Yes, you are welcome to what you think. So am I. You are no better or worse than I and our views on how this game should be played do NOT have to align. Each generation shapes the world around it. Golf will live or die by the millennials choice, and that's out of both of our control. If we have an appreciation for the "old ways" of the game, does that mean we have to ban women from clubs? How about people of color? Should we go back to hickory and ballata? Change is good, it is what makes the world a better place. The "get off my lawn" philosophy is what has gotten us into so many of the issues we face today. Being a little more open minded and willing to grow is the only way we fix any of the issues we face as a society (golf or otherwise). Inevitably some people will walk away from the game. But at the end of the day demographics win and last I checked millennials aren't going anywhere. That's all I have to say. Man I should have just stayed out of this thread... TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 If you consider yourself a Millennial you might feel Triggered (LOL) by the following ---- Last night I was watching the golf channel and listening to a rather long discussion about the state of the game so to speak. Meaning golf in general. I know, we keep hearing this all the time. And, it's getting a little worn-out if you ask me. So basically last night the talkers were all worried about... get this; Millennials! I'm serious. Everyone seemed to agree except Chamblee somewhat that golf needs to change because Millennials are so unique and different. My goodness. I had no idea. I could hardly believe what I was hearing. It was as if a new species have settled on the planet and we must now accommodate them, change our ways, and perhaps most importantly change golf for them. What a bunch of horse$hit. Wikipedia defines this "cohort" as generally being born somewhere in the early 80's up to early 2000's. And again according to Wikipedia Millennials have increased familiarity with communications, media?, and digital technologies. Big Whoop. I could unravel those items easily but I'll save it. Still I suppose the Mills have quite a burden to bare and therefore they are special I guess. From my narrow point of view I don't see the need to change golf to accommodate any group. Let alone Millennials. Or the elderly or baby boomers or some other X or Y generation. If you want to play and participate in the game welcome aboard. If not... have a nice day. You are not special or unique. The world doesn't revolve around you, me or anyone else. Have a nice day. I am glad you posted that shows I am not the only crumudgen on here!!!! In a nutshell I do my own thing and march to the beat of my own drummer. If one wants to come along for the ride that is fine. If not go and do your own thing with my blessings. Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think this conversation is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what generation you come from, stereotyping an entire group of people who are no different than you is down right disrespectful. I treat absolutely no person regardless of gender, age, race, creed or sexual orientation differently. We are ALL created equal and just because we see the world (and this game) differently doesn't make anything that we believe in less valuable that the feelings you have. I feel like this is a basic law of common decency, but maybe that's just a millennial thing. I find it totally offensive for someone to disregard an opinion of another human being simply because they are younger than them. Yes, you have experience. Yes, you are welcome to what you think. So am I. You are no better or worse than I and our views on how this game should be played do NOT have to align. Each generation shapes the world around it. Golf will live or die by the millennials choice, and that's out of both of our control. If we have an appreciation for the "old ways" of the game, does that mean we have to ban women from clubs? How about people of color? Should we go back to hickory and ballata? Change is good, it is what makes the world a better place. The "get off my lawn" philosophy is what has gotten us into so many of the issues we face today. Being a little more open minded and willing to grow is the only way we fix any of the issues we face as a society (golf or otherwise). Inevitably some people will walk away from the game. But at the end of the day demographics win and last I checked millennials aren't going anywhere. That's all I have to say. Man I should have just stayed out of this thread... You said what I've been thinking (and biting my tongue about) all afternoon. This type of attitude is similar to that of racism and sexism. However it's more "innocent" because we're stereotyping an age group and not a religious group or sexual preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 And a good rule of thumb is if you find yourself on the same side of an argument as Chamblee, then you should reevaluate your stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 ... I will add a Millennial story. I was shooting Mind Games and an extra and I started talking during a break. He is an Accountant and his firm placed him in charge of the incoming Millennials that graduated from college and were ready to join the work force in Chicago, a very competitive market. They found they were losing too many employees after 6 months to a year working there. About 30% quit or were fired. So they started a one month training program and he was placed in charge. Basically covering what it is like to work for a big company and what is expected of the employee and what they can expect from their employer. Here are the highlights: Work starts at 9am. If you come in at 9:02 you are late. Get to work early everyday and then relax until 9am. One Millennial asked "What if the line at Starbucks is slow?" She was told to get out of line and get to work on time. She walked out. You don't get a pat on the back for doing your job. You are expected to do your job. Anything less is grounds for dismissal. ​You don't get a raise for doing your job. You get a raise for going above and beyond what is expected. Work is not a place to make friends. If you happen to make a friend that is OK. You can take your break together, go to lunch together or meet after work. Work is for working, it is not a social adventure. Your cell phone is not to be used at work period. You have an office phone for work related calls. All other calls should be made on your own time. Facebook and social media are not allowed at work. If you follow these rules and work hard you can go far and fast. Raises, bonus's and perks are your reward. If you don't, you will not last very long. ​... He said about 20% drop out before the class is over. That is less than before classes started and they didn't go thru training or leave work half finished. The important thing he said was that means about 75% are in the workforce and doing a good job. He thought it was unfair to lump all Millennials into one group when 75% were hard working and still with the company. The 25% were giving the rest a bad name. Food for thought if you are suffering from curmudgeonitis. That is exactly the work ethic my old man taught me. That is like where I work now they have trouble finding people to work period. It is like that all around here mainly for causes you stated My wife works for a major grocery chain. Now she has been with the company 13 years. Recently 2 other major chains have came into the area. An associate friend of hers tried to get her to go with their company. She did the interview and talked head to head with the Regional Manager who told her he told corporate that he thought it was a mistake to open up in this area because they did not have a dependable workforce pool to draw on. She ended up turning the job down because she would lose all her accumulated vacation and benefits. Besides since then she has set up to retire with a full pension in 1 1/2 years Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 We are all the same. If I came into this thread and complained about baby boomers/or older and showed total disprespect to that group of people, all hell would break loose. I would never disrespect those people who are in a different stage of life than I, and I'm sorry, but I don't take kindly when someone does that towards me. Sent from my SM-G955U using MyGolfSpy mobile app TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 plaid, both you and numberonncoog make Excellent points, showing it's a multi-generational cause and problem. The millennial generation didn't raise themselves and many parents are waaaaay too overprotective of theirs kids' feelings, leading to some of them having no backbone or ability to handle failure and/or thinking they are special. There seems to be an attitude issue on both sides, usually some form of entitlement, whether it's (some) older/experienced players feeling like golf is "theirs" and newer/weaker golfers shouldn't be on golf courses, while (some) younger /newer players thinking golf should change to match the way more fast paced consumption they're used to. When we golf and my 9 year old nephew plays, we tee him up from our 2nd or 3rd shot, depending on hole length, and it doesn't really slow us down, so maybe have a very forward set of tees ( yes executive courses fit this bill as well) Courses could also do 3- or 6-hole mini-rounds, the challenge would be where to start them. As GolfSpyDave noted, Sacramento has a good junior 1st Tee program that makes the cost of entry very low and many courses welcome it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy There is an exclusive private course down the road from me I am lucky to play at. One of my old running buddies is the assistant pro there. They have permanant markers in the ground for the kids to play from. They are color coded according to age group. It is a PGA program and my buddy explained it to me. Pretty good idea. They do run some junior tournaments there. I have officiated when they were short of help. But I think it is a real good program wish more public courses here would go with it Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 We are all the same. If I came into this thread and complained about baby boomers/or older and showed total disprespect to that group of people, all hell would break loose. I would never disrespect those people who are in a different stage of life than I, and I'm sorry, but I don't take kindly when someone does that towards me. Sent from my SM-G955U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Dont take it so hard. Remember I have read your posts over the years and worked with you on equipment tests and on the guideline comittee. You contribute a lot to MGS. You are one exception. There is good and bad in everything. Hell there are some old fart crumudgens around here I have no use for. I think this post was started in good faith for kicks and giggles and maybe has went too far for some. If I offended you or anyone else I am sorry as they say at work "LOL That is just Stu being Stu" Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 that's the problem! I took my kids out golfing last year, and some gentlemen decided to cuss and throw their gear and tell me to hurry up. I thanked them for introducing my children to a what not to be. As a kid I played horse shoes, and by "regulations" I could play from 30' instead of 40'. You can till you turn 18 I think if I remember. Anyways, I got heckled everywhere I went. The number of horseshoe players has been cut by about 60% because of jerks like those. Golf is golfs problem, not which age group or generation your from. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Dont take it so hard. Remember I have read your posts over the years and worked with you on equipment tests and on the guideline comittee. You contribute a lot to MGS. You are one exception. There is good and bad in everything. Hell there are some old fart crumudgens around here I have no use for. I think this post was started in good faith for kicks and giggles and maybe has went too far for some. If I offended you or anyone else I am sorry as they say at work "LOL That is just Stu being Stu"Stu i took no offense to what you said. Like I said and tried to make clear, I completely respect you and everyone else in this forum. What I take offense to is the idea that it's "all or nothing" and I don't necissarily think that's the point you were making. Do I agree that there are plenty of people in my generation who don't have the drive, have a sense of entitlement and general lack of respect? Absolutely! But guess what man? I can think of people that are examples of that attitude who are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 and so on. Negative attitude is just that. It has no prejudice and will infect anyone it can get it's hands on. I just don't think it's fair to anyone in any stage of their life to classify them into a large bucket. We all matter, and hell Stu, you matter to me man. You're an extremely valuable member of this community. But honestly man, age plays no role in that for me. That's my only point. TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I have neither the brains nor the ego to "tell it like it is," and I hate to generalize about things, especially groups of people. I know 4 millennials very well - my 4 kids. Are they exactly like me? No. Do they like the same things? Some, and they like things I don't like. For instance, my oldest son loves watching the Red Sox - so do I. He loves watching Trailer Park Boys - I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I can't make general statements inclusive of the only 4 millennials I know well, how the hell can anyone generalize about an entire age group and expect to be taken seriously?? Golf is going to evolve. Hell, our world is going to evolve. If you want an idea of what golf is going to look like in 25-30 years, pay attention to what 20-25 year olds are doing. It'll be their game soon enough. We older folk can say "move along" all we want, or say play the game the way I see that it's meant to be or go find something else, but that's ridiculous. We're all passengers on this flight, and it's gonna go where the next generation takes it. I have a buddy who started a golf lifestyle brand, and started selling flip flops for golf. I posted some pics here and the self-proclaimed guardians of the game lost their collective minds. How dare he do that??? Not proper golf attire!!! Lighten the hell up. It's a game. This young kid is a millennial - one of the hardest working kids I know, and one of the best golfers I've ever played with. He likes to play barefoot or in his flip flops, and some people here treated him like he was Kim Jong Un. He was raised by a single mother, worked his way through college and won a business plan competition to help start his company. We love to generalize about a generation, but that's silly, childish and often based on preconceived notions we claim come from our "experience." We're talking about individuals - and there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered baby boomers, just as there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered millennials. At least the millennials have youth and inexperience as an excuse. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deejaid Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 News flash for Millennials, Gen Xers, Baby Boomers, The Silent Generation and anyone else on MGS worried about the game of golf....it was here before you were born and it will be here after you're gone. There is nothing to worry about. There is a lot of hand-wringing "oh how is the game going to survive" talk, but don't worry, it's gonna be alright. WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I have neither the brains nor the ego to "tell it like it is," and I hate to generalize about things, especially groups of people. I know 4 millennials very well - my 4 kids. Are they exactly like me? No. Do hey like the same things? Some, and they like things I don't like. For instance, my oldest son loves watching the Red Sox - so do I. He loves watching Trailer Park Boys - I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Golf is going to evolve. Hell, our world is going to evolve. If you want an idea of what golf is going to look like in 25-30 years, pay attention to what 20-25 year olds are doing. It'll be their game soon enough. We older folk can say "move along" all we want, or say play the game the way I see that it's meant to be or go find something else, but that's ridiculous. We're all passengers on this flight, and it's gonna go where the next generation takes it. I have a buddy who started a golf lifestyle brand, and started selling flip flops for golf. I posted some pics here and the self-proclaimed guardians of the game lost their collective minds. How dare he do that??? Not proper golf attire!!! Lighten the hell up. It's a game. This young kid is a millennial - one of the hardest working kids I know, and one of the best golfer I've ever played with. He likes to play barefoot or in his flip flops, and people treated him like he was Kim Jong Un. He worked his way through college and won a business plan competition to help start his company. We love to generalize about a generation, but that's silly and often based on preconceived notions we claim come from our "experience." We're talking about individuals - and there are lazy, entitled and self-centered baby boomers, just as there are lazy, entitled and self-centered millennials. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I played a round barefoot once, it was fantastic! WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I played a round barefoot once, it was fantastic! I've always wanted to play a round bare-chested, but a buddy said it would be way too much hair to look at. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I've always wanted to play a round bare-chested, but a buddy said it would be way too much hair to look at. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy The December edition of Links Magazine has a list of courses that would "allow" such an event. I think it was December anyways. - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I have neither the brains nor the ego to "tell it like it is," and I hate to generalize about things, especially groups of people. I know 4 millennials very well - my 4 kids. Are they exactly like me? No. Do hey like the same things? Some, and they like things I don't like. For instance, my oldest son loves watching the Red Sox - so do I. He loves watching Trailer Park Boys - I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Golf is going to evolve. Hell, our world is going to evolve. If you want an idea of what golf is going to look like in 25-30 years, pay attention to what 20-25 year olds are doing. It'll be their game soon enough. We older folk can say "move along" all we want, or say play the game the way I see that it's meant to be or go find something else, but that's ridiculous. We're all passengers on this flight, and it's gonna go where the next generation takes it. I have a buddy who started a golf lifestyle brand, and started selling flip flops for golf. I posted some pics here and the self-proclaimed guardians of the game lost their collective minds. How dare he do that??? Not proper golf attire!!! Lighten the hell up. It's a game. This young kid is a millennial - one of the hardest working kids I know, and one of the best golfer I've ever played with. He likes to play barefoot or in his flip flops, and people treated him like he was Kim Jong Un. He was raised by a single mother, worked his way through college and won a business plan competition to help start his company. We love to generalize about a generation, but that's silly and often based on preconceived notions we claim come from our "experience." We're talking about individuals - and there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered baby boomers, just as there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered millennials. At least the millennials have youth and inexperience as an excuse. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Well said. There's nothing else to elaborate on here. Pretty much life in a nutshell. TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I have neither the brains nor the ego to "tell it like it is," and I hate to generalize about things, especially groups of people. I know 4 millennials very well - my 4 kids. Are they exactly like me? No. Do hey like the same things? Some, and they like things I don't like. For instance, my oldest son loves watching the Red Sox - so do I. He loves watching Trailer Park Boys - I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Golf is going to evolve. Hell, our world is going to evolve. If you want an idea of what golf is going to look like in 25-30 years, pay attention to what 20-25 year olds are doing. It'll be their game soon enough. We older folk can say "move along" all we want, or say play the game the way I see that it's meant to be or go find something else, but that's ridiculous. We're all passengers on this flight, and it's gonna go where the next generation takes it. I have a buddy who started a golf lifestyle brand, and started selling flip flops for golf. I posted some pics here and the self-proclaimed guardians of the game lost their collective minds. How dare he do that??? Not proper golf attire!!! Lighten the hell up. It's a game. This young kid is a millennial - one of the hardest working kids I know, and one of the best golfer I've ever played with. He likes to play barefoot or in his flip flops, and people treated him like he was Kim Jong Un. He was raised by a single mother, worked his way through college and won a business plan competition to help start his company. We love to generalize about a generation, but that's silly and often based on preconceived notions we claim come from our "experience." We're talking about individuals - and there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered baby boomers, just as there are lazy, entitled, self-righteous and self-centered millennials. At least the millennials have youth and inexperience as an excuse. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Anyone else hear the Star Spangled Banner playing in their head when reading this post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chisag Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 What I take offense to is the idea that it's "all or nothing" and I don't necissarily think that's the point you were making. Do I agree that there are plenty of people in my generation who don't have the drive, have a sense of entitlement and general lack of respect? Absolutely! I just don't think it's fair to anyone in any stage of their life to classify them into a large bucket. We all matter, and hell Stu, you matter to me man. You're an extremely valuable member of this community. But honestly man, age plays no role in that for me. That's my only point. ... Shawn, those of us that have been around awhile longer have seen this come and go for every generation. Millennials are the golden generation compared to us Hippies of the late 60's. Were called "girls" (unbelievably an insult back then) because of our long hair. "Creeps" because of our clothing. Lazy bums because we lived a free style life and made our own rules. And of course Communists because we didn't believe every member of Government was a sacred official. We were everything the suit and tie wearing, buzz cut, military loving older generation hated. And we were all lumped in together. Just like millennials today, we did fall into a range of people that were pretty similar in looks and attitude when compared to the generations before them. ... But we were all individuals. I am still a Hippie liberal at heart and proud of it. We wanted to make the world a better place and didn't care about economic wealth. Millennials are the same as any generation that came before it. There is a general look and attitude, I have seen more beards in this generation than all others combined. If you don't wanna be a millennial, don't look like one. Again, I had no problem being labeled a Hippie because I was one. Long hair, dirty cut off and frayed jeans, tee shirts and gym shoes. But I was an individual too, always was a hard worker, I just chose what I wanted to work hard at doing. As I illustrated in my story about the accounting firm, there was a small group that had a huge impact on the way their generation is perceived. But there was a much, much larger group that were just like everyone else in the workforce and every generation before it. People are people, always changing and always the same. Labels don't matter unless you let them. Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 ... Shawn, those of us that have been around awhile longer have seen this come and go for every generation. Millennials are the golden generation compared to us Hippies of the late 60's. Were called "girls" (unbelievably an insult back then) because of our long hair. "Creeps" because of our clothing. Lazy bums because we lived a free style life and made our own rules. And of course Communists because we didn't believe every member of Government was a sacred official. We were everything the suit and tie wearing, buzz cut, military loving older generation hated. And we were all lumped in together. Just like millennials today, we did fall into a range of people that were pretty similar in looks and attitude when compared to the generations before them. ... But we were all individuals. I am still a Hippie liberal at heart and proud of it. We wanted to make the world a better place and didn't care about economic wealth. Millennials are the same as any generation that came before it. There is a general look and attitude, I have seen more beards in this generation than all others combined. If you don't wanna be a millennial, don't look like one. Again, I had no problem being labeled a Hippie because I was one. Long hair, dirty cut off and frayed jeans, tee shirts and gym shoes. But I was an individual too, always was a hard worker, I just chose what I wanted to work hard at doing. As I illustrated in my story about the accounting firm, there was a small group that had a huge impact on the way their generation is perceived. But there was a much, much larger group that were just like everyone else in the workforce and every generation before it. People are people, always changing and always the same. Labels don't matter unless you let them. Great post. Couldn't agree more. TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 As a millennial, I can definitely see merit in what you are saying about changing to accommodate the millennial generation's "consuming habits" for lack of a better term. Probably not the best idea. However, golf does need to change. Specifically, we need to do a much better job of catering to children, and teens. We need to make the game so incredibly accessible to them. The industry is in decline. We need a new generation of golfers to come up behind us to rebuild the game if we want a bright future. No golfers leads to fewer courses/ranges, which leads to the eventual demise of golf. It's too late to capture millennials. That ship has sailed. Let's get after the 7-17 year olds right now. Grow the game from the bottom up. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cost, the main reason is cost. Some areas have really good deals for Jr. Golf other areas have nothing, first tee is a nice program, but here is cost and the times they are offered often don't work for that age group, especially if they are in school programs and activities. I personally think that you should be able to take a child lets say 16 and under to the course and play with each paid adult round of golf, that's how you get them out there, my problem is that when taking the kids cost about 25 bucks, and then they only want to actually play about 4 out of 9 holes. Those are my thoughts. As for millinials, well, there are a different species, but you all are right, changing things to suit them is bad. Maybe they dont keep score and everyone wins the club championship and they all get a trophy. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooducks Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Cost, the main reason is cost. Some areas have really good deals for Jr. Golf other areas have nothing, first tee is a nice program, but here is cost and the times they are offered often don't work for that age group, especially if they are in school programs and activities. I personally think that you should be able to take a child lets say 16 and under to the course and play with each paid adult round of golf, that's how you get them out there, my problem is that when taking the kids cost about 25 bucks, and then they only want to actually play about 4 out of 9 holes. Those are my thoughts. As for millinials, well, there are a different species, but you all are right, changing things to suit them is bad. Maybe they dont keep score and everyone wins the club championship and they all get a trophy. Hahah, **** millennials, am I right?!?! We're all a bunch or whiny little assholes who can't stand adversity, thank god we have the previous generations around to tell us how entitled and shitty we are! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB: Driver: Taylormade M2 (2016) 10.5° | Fujikura Pro Stiff 60g Fairway: Taylormade Aeroburner 2.0 TP 16.5° | Diamana Whiteboard Stiff 80g Hybrid: Titleist 915h 21° | Diamana Blueboard Stiff 80g Driving Iron: Titleist 712U 3 Iron | Kuro Kage Stiff 70g Irons: Titleist AP2 714 4-PW | KBS Tour 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 50°/54°/58° Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2 | SuperStroke Mid Slim 2.0 Ball: Taylormade TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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