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Honestly I like what Barbajo wrote. You have nice writing skills John. The only... and only one disagreement I have is the part where you said your son sees the tour as a bunch of bland White faces. As opposed to what? A  bunch of exciting Black faces in the NBA or NFL? I don't understand why so many people put down their own ethnic or racial identity these days. I'm proud of who I am and my ancestry. Which by the way happens to be Irish and white. And... American first.

Again... nice post John.

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Honestly I like what Barbajo wrote. You have nice writing skills John. The only... and only one disagreement I have is the part where you said your son sees the tour as a bunch of bland White faces. As opposed to what? A bunch of exciting Black faces in the NBA or NFL? I don't understand why so many people put down their own ethnic or racial identity these days. I'm proud of who I am and my ancestry. Which by the way happens to be Irish and white. And... American first.

Again... nice post John.

Just stop, that is not what John meant by bland white faces.

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Just stop, that is not what John meant by bland white faces.

Hi Mr_Theoo,

 

What do you think he meant? Personally I think phrases like that are shorthand for, most charitably, uncool or old-fashioned, and that is how I interpreted it in the context of the post - which I liked quite a bit. I do wish phrases such as that were used less or not at all, and I hope you can understand that perspective.

 

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Hi Mr_Theoo,

 

What do you think he meant? Personally I think phrases like that are shorthand for, most charitably, uncool or old-fashioned, and that is how I interpreted it in the context of the post - which I liked quite a bit. I do wish phrases such as that were used less or not at all, and I hope you can understand that perspective.

 

Best wishes.

I believe John meant that the tour is very bland and almost cookie cutter. Everyone for the most part acts the same during a tournament. Always saying the right things when interviewed etc..

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Had an interesting conversation with an actual millenial yesterday - my youngest son - on this very topic. He kinda scoffed at the instant gratification thing - and as we talked it occurred to both of us that instant gratification is probably more cultural than it is generational. We have have iPhones that we just expect to work, because they were designed to work and be easy to use. We have computers that we expect to work and bring us places we never dreamed we could visit. We can look up anything within seconds instead of going to the library to look at an encyclopedia that may or may not be out of date. We have a zillion TV channels that we can flip through with a hand held device until we find something that pleases us or reinforces whatever beliefs or ideologies we have, and we don't have to watch, listen to or read anything we disagree with or challenges us. 

 

 

... Yup. When we were kids, we had cartoons on Saturday morning until 12 noon. That was about all the TV available to us. Now you can go to the internet and pull up any show/movie you want. No video, no DVD's or tapes and certainly no video games that are so real it seems like you are in a movie. We played sports or games of kick the can, hide and seek or a myriad of other games we came up with because that was all we had. Virtually everything is at their fingertips and they do have instant gratification. I am sure most of us remember Lay Away purchases? We put a $25 down payment on that $65 bike we wanted paying another $5 a week but it wasn't ours until we finished paying it off and finally then we could take it home. Patience was necessary. We were mostly in good shape from playing all day everyday. All of these attributes are very good for a 4.5 hour round of golf or even playing 36 in one day. 

 

... It is just impossible to compare that era with this one.

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I believe John meant that the tour is very bland and almost cookie cutter. Everyone for the most part acts the same during a tournament. Always saying the right things when interviewed etc..

Agreed.

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I follow politics and for quite a while I was concerned about "the millennials".  Then I had an in depth (heated at times) conversation with my very conservative father.  He pointed out that every generation looked upon the previous as out of touch.  He also added that in early adulthood I wasn't nearly as conservative as I am now.  It's amazing what work, taxes, and responsibility does to one's world views.  My point is that they'll come around.  The same pertains to golf.  Remember what it was like when Jack and Arnie were done?  I do, and it was very similar to how it feels now that Tiger is well....?  I think golf will be just fine.  Sure the golf media will do the same thing the political media does.  Speculate everything to death, make mountains of mole hills, lie, you name it.  But they're in the entertainment biz.  

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The USGA has no accountability. The groove ban was the single most idiotic and destructive rules change in golf. Golfer's should've boycott the USGA tournaments in response that year.

Actually I started the Outlaw Golf Association over on WRX and anyone on here is free to join. No money no application just a few loose rules.

#1 A hatred for the autocratic USGA

#2 Anytime you get a chance to slam them on social media do so

#3 Anytime they send you a application with the post paid envelope-- send it back empty

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#5 Play however you and your group want to-- What they gonna do send a drone over to shoot at you if they see non conforming equipment?

 

I was a member and I have not renewed my membership going on 3 years now. I remember when at first I did not renew they sent me all kinds of notices and I fired off several I will say colorful letters sent to them in their own postage paid envelopes. Then I just started sending back their envelopes empty. They stopped mailing me after about 2 years.

 

If you read my signature it says it all as in I play what equipment I want to and could give two hoots what they say or think

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Actually I started the Outlaw Golf Association over on WRX and anyone on here is free to join. No money no application just a few loose rules.

#1 A hatred for the autocratic USGA

#2 Anytime you get a chance to slam them on social media do so

#3 Anytime they send you a application with the post paid envelope-- send it back empty

#4 Play any damn wedge you want to and anchor the putter if you want to

#5 Play however you and your group want to-- What they gonna do send a drone over to shoot at you if they see non conforming equipment?

 

I was a member and I have not renewed my membership going on 3 years now. I remember when at first I did not renew they sent me all kinds of notices and I fired off several I will say colorful letters sent to them in their own postage paid envelopes. Then I just started sending back their envelopes empty. They stopped mailing me after about 2 years.

 

If you read my signature it says it all as in I play what equipment I want to and could give two hoots what they say or think

 

 

This is post is one of the many reasons why I love you like a brother Stu!!!

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Actually I started the Outlaw Golf Association over on WRX and anyone on here is free to join. No money no application just a few loose rules.

#1 A hatred for the autocratic USGA

#2 Anytime you get a chance to slam them on social media do so

#3 Anytime they send you a application with the post paid envelope-- send it back empty

#4 Play any damn wedge you want to and anchor the putter if you want to

#5 Play however you and your group want to-- What they gonna do send a drone over to shoot at you if they see non conforming equipment?

 

I was a member and I have not renewed my membership going on 3 years now. I remember when at first I did not renew they sent me all kinds of notices and I fired off several I will say colorful letters sent to them in their own postage paid envelopes. Then I just started sending back their envelopes empty. They stopped mailing me after about 2 years.

 

If you read my signature it says it all as in I play what equipment I want to and could give two hoots what they say or think

 

 

I agree with ya 100 % bruther! 

 

What I'm surprised about is the USGA has not banned short drivers yet! :D   I mean if long anchored putters (both belly & titty) are an unfair advantage, I'm surprised they don't call foul on the short drivers.   I mean hell if a driver helps the pros hit it straighter then those that don't play short are being penalized...   jk but not really ;) 

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This thread seems to have run its course, but saw the following article and copying it in here, fyi.....

 

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(from Golf Vacation Insider)

 

"Why Millennials Should Get Golf Discounts, Too"

 

Wherever I go, as soon as I tell people that I get to travel and write about golf for a living, the next question out of their mouths is almost always the same:

 

“What's your favorite golf course?”

 

And I have the hardest time answering, because it's really, really difficult to quantify the greatness of truly great golf courses

 

So from now on, I'm considering answer this question with a golf course I've never played before: The Ridge at Castle Pines North in Castle Pines, Colorado.

 

I've heard good things about this Tom Weiskopf-designed upscale public course in suburban Denver, but what makes me love the course from afar is not the design, not the conditioning, but one specific policy they have.

 

And it's the only public golf course I've ever heard of that offers…

 

MILLENIAL DISCOUNTS FOR GOLF.

 

If I arrange to play The Ridge and pre-pay for my round, I can show my driver's license, which lists me as having been born October 10, 1989, and I will pay a full $40 less than the normal weekend rack rate of $145.

 

At practically every other public golf course, it's bass-ackwards. Seniors get the discounts.

 

Which is not surprising. It's the way a lot of consumer businesses work. My parents, both of the Baby Boomer generation, love to go to the movies, flash their AARP cards and save a buck or so off the latest flick.

 

But golf courses are especially reliant on seniors. My 60-something dad plays at the amazing, newly-renovated Hartford, Connecticut muni Keney Park Golf Course and pays the “Senior” rate, which is a full $11 less than “Adults” pay.

 

Now, I completely understand that competition for golfers' business is fierce, and that seniors make up a huge portion of the golfing population.

 

But $11 a round over the course of a year's worth of rounds for an avid player – say, 50 – means a whopping $550 difference between a â€œSenior” and an “Adult.” That's enough to pay for an extra weekend golf trip every year.

 

Is it any wonder that my generation is less enthused about the game than they otherwise could be?

 

Of course, to Keney Park's (and, also, practically every other course out there) credit, junior golfers get a nice break as well: they pay $13 less than “Adults” and a mere $2 less than “Seniors.”

 

Which makes sense. Making the game affordable for kids (and, by extension, Mom and Dad, who are usually paying Junior's green fees) is a no-brainer way to help supply the game with new blood. It's necessary for the game's long-term future.

 

But why is it that the day those juniors turn 18, they're locked into decades of paying the highest possible green fee? And I don't know many 18 year olds – or, for that matter, 25 year olds – who are that much better off, financially, than 17 year olds. If they're not lucky enough to either play collegiate golf or attend a university with its own course, a lot of college students give up the game due to its expense. That's a big problem.

 

Now, I will concede that on the surface, it makes sense to offer a bit of a price break to retirees, many of whom are lifelong golfers but now find themselves on a fixed income, be it via Social Security, a pension or other retirement savings avenues.

 

But there's a big problem that few people foresaw a few years ago. Unfortunately, my generation is virtually guaranteed to be the first one to be worse off than its parents', for a number of reasons that needn't be rehashed here (wage stagnation, rising costs of higher education, yadda yadda yadda). Studies are showing pretty uniformly that the older you are, the better-off you are financially.

 

Which raises a provocative question: why are golf courses giving the break to the wealthiest generation, and leaving us cash-strapped Millennials out in the cold?

 

“WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOLFERS GONE?”

 

Shouls Millennials pay less than seniors? I'm not going to argue that; I'd be content to be invited to pay the “Senior” rate until I'm 32 or 35. But I will point out that many private clubs have responded to the generational wealth gap by offering “Young Executive” memberships with significantly reduced initiation fees and dues.

 

Regardless, why does only one golf course seem to grasp the fact that by endearing themselves to 20- and 30-somethings now, those folks will keep coming back when they're more established, less-squeezed 40- and 50-somethings?

 

When are more courses going to take the long view, Like The Ridge at Castle Pines North, and put their rate structures in better alignment with the economic realities of the 21st century?

 

Hopefully soon, because once the Baby Boomer generation begins to age out of the game in large numbers (it's already starting to happen), courses that didn't plan for the future may well struggle to find customers, of any age.

 

And then, heaven-forbid, all the bad, alarmist takes about how golf is dying (it's not) and how young people don't like golf (preposterous…it's just pricey) might actually start to look more plausible.

 

Here's hoping that doesn't happen.

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this article is at...

http://www.golfvacationinsider.com/cr/millennial-discounts-17797

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The author lost me when he called himself a "cash-strapped Millennial" while cheering the $40 discount off a $145 round of golf. Doesn't seem to be too cash-strapped if he can afford a $105 round of golf.

 

I'm a 41 year old man with 3 kids and I can't afford a $105 round of golf, so I play Munis or go on Golf Now for some discounts. When my kids are grown I'll probably play some nicer courses. And when I was 20-30 I golfed a hell of lot more than I do now, I played Munis and twilight then too to save a few bucks.

 

 

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He does seem a little whiny but his overall point is not a bad one. Golf courses should probably offer jr rates up to early 30s the way many private clubs do. It's true that young adults are far from their peak earning years and would probably play more golf if they got a cost break. Heck, we all would.

 

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The course I play is a geezer ranch. Average membership age is probably well over 50. Seniors don't get a discount. Junior golfers pay about 1/4 membership with no initiation. Intermediate 19 to 29 pay half membership and half initiation. Seems fair enough to me but there just aren't many younger people coming out. Shame really.

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Here's a novel concept.. Maybe if the courses gave discounts to Parents with there kids.. That would spark Both the child and parents interest to play more also allowing some very special parent and child time.. If nothing else it would introduce more kids..

 

Or maybe a set time for JUST parents and kids that way the people that have issues will play somewhere else during those times.. 

 

I take my daughter and grandson which are 9 and 10. Great kids both of them but what a handful trying to get them to Focus.. I even bribe them with Ice cream after the round... If you can hit past that tree.. ect.. 

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Im sorry I don't see why someone 30 years old should pay less than me a hard working 53 year old.

 

Seniors are offered discounts because many are retired after working their entire lives to pay for the things you take for granted....in other words they earned it!

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Frankly, I'm not in the golf business so I don't care about growing the game.

Worst time in golf, for the average once a week golfer was during Tigers era.

Courses were crowded, everyone who could buy or steal red shirt and TW hat on the course, and etiquette was essentially out the window.

Now the fan boys have all but disappeared and normalcy has returned.

Except for the millenials of course. 😎

 

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So as a millennial myself (generation x I think? 1990 whatever that is) I don't really see how golf would have to change to capture our generation. If we were patient enough to try it out for awhile. I think it boils down to entitlement, thinking that you have to play the nicest course with the nicest clubs and the $50 pro v's.

You don't, there are cost effective ways for playing golf. I mean heck go be a range picker and get free rounds. I'd trade an afternoon or two for some golf. Go play at the height of the heat as a young person and get the cheap tee times that older folks don't want. Don't complain about the system, work it to fit your needs or wants as a millennial golfer.

As a teacher my earning power is waaaaaaaayyy less than most 25-30 years olds and I still find a way to get my rounds in. Play munis, buy 4 year old clubs and wait for twilight. No complaints here! As a member of the targeted generation I wanted to share what I thought.

 

 

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