Mr. 82 3,863 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 The 30 handicap that think they can buy DJ's golf game by gaming a tp5x are insane. What makes me just shake my head are some of the older guys with slow swing speeds all hitting ProV1, and happy if they break 90, who all are hitting their 3rd shot into par 4's with a 8 iron from 70 yards on the bump and run. I've tried to gently suggest buying the cheapest 2-piece ball they can find, but there is something about playing a Titleist that these guys mentally have to have. The other one was one of my Dad's friends, who had more money then he could ever spend (a problem I am willing to have by the way, if anyone is ever interested in setting me up for this), and his golf game was a joke. But yet, every time he showed up to play in the pro shop he'd ask the pro to charge him for a dozen ProV1. He lost like half of them on the first 3 holes his game was so bad. But dropping $50 every time you tee it up, just on balls, was like you and me missing a nickel from our loose change pocket in our cars. 1 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to post Share on other sites
mcmarsico 47 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yes, I still don't see that as an argument for separate tests. Let everyone test everything. See how the data plays out. You can group people and balls by any sub set you want later. Don't limit the test to what you think "should" be right, just let the data speak for itself! This is how I feel about the putter testing too! Put the mallets and blades together and see how it turns out. Quote Driver: TS3, 9* (C1 setting, surefit cartridge in fade setting) 3/4 Wood: 917D2, 16.5 degrees (D1 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2, 19 degrees (C3 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi 4-Iron (23 degrees); Mizuno MP-18 SC 5-iron(26) and 6-iron(30); Mizuno MP-18 7-iron(34), 8-iron(38), 9-iron(42), and P Wedge(46). Nippon Modus 120x shafts. 1 degree upright. Wedges: Mizuno S-18 50, 54, and 58 degrees. 50 is 1 degree upright, 54 and 58 are standard lie. Nippon Modus 120x, soft stepped in the 54 and 58. Putter: Evnroll ER1 Right-handed Atlanta, GA 4.3 Link to post Share on other sites
mcmarsico 47 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Who says they can't? Have at it and git er done! I only suggested that not many people can really get everything out of a top notch ball. Kinda like how very few people can ride a Kawasaki 1100 crotch rocket to extract everything it has to offer, I've heard it's something like 5%... Anyways.... I've really been thinking about going with one specific ball to see if it does make any difference on my scoring... My problem is I can't decide which ball to go with... PV1X Tp5 Chrome Z-star Snell Vice I've gamed all of these except the snell, and I found that I really liked all of them. So trying to choose one to go with is tough. Might be best to just get a sleeve of each to see if I can narrow the field down. I wonder if I can get just a sleeve of vice or snell...? Hmmm If you like them all, let the price decide. You can often find the z-stars at $20/dz which is even cheaper than the snell or vice. 1 Quote Driver: TS3, 9* (C1 setting, surefit cartridge in fade setting) 3/4 Wood: 917D2, 16.5 degrees (D1 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2, 19 degrees (C3 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi 4-Iron (23 degrees); Mizuno MP-18 SC 5-iron(26) and 6-iron(30); Mizuno MP-18 7-iron(34), 8-iron(38), 9-iron(42), and P Wedge(46). Nippon Modus 120x shafts. 1 degree upright. Wedges: Mizuno S-18 50, 54, and 58 degrees. 50 is 1 degree upright, 54 and 58 are standard lie. Nippon Modus 120x, soft stepped in the 54 and 58. Putter: Evnroll ER1 Right-handed Atlanta, GA 4.3 Link to post Share on other sites
fixyurdivot 10,644 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 What makes me just shake my head are some of the older guys with slow swing speeds all hitting ProV1, and happy if they break 90, who all are hitting their 3rd shot into par 4's with a 8 iron from 70 yards on the bump and run. I've tried to gently suggest buying the cheapest 2-piece ball they can find, but there is something about playing a Titleist that these guys mentally have to have. The other one was one of my Dad's friends, who had more money then he could ever spend (a problem I am willing to have by the way, if anyone is ever interested in setting me up for this), and his golf game was a joke. But yet, every time he showed up to play in the pro shop he'd ask the pro to charge him for a dozen ProV1. He lost like half of them on the first 3 holes his game was so bad. But dropping $50 every time you tee it up, just on balls, was like you and me missing a nickel from our loose change pocket in our cars. The power and influence of great marketing is quite impressive. As an avid fly fisherman, I am wise to their tricks. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver | Official 2019 MGS Tester G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w G410 Irons 4-UW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) B61 Putter Link to post Share on other sites
GB13 7,779 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 The power and influence of great marketing is quite impressive. As an avid fly fisherman, I am wise to their tricks.I think that fact that they are the most expensive plays a part too. It has been ingrained into their heads that the most expensive is the always best. If they just wanted the Titleist name they could play the DT Trusoft. Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo42 6,049 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 If you like them all, let the price decide. You can often find the z-stars at $20/dz which is even cheaper than the snell or vice. Where can you get Z-sfars for $20 ????? Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
fozcycle 12,521 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Where can you get Z-sfars for $20 ?????They were available on the Srixon website for $20/dozen up until Fathers Day.I got some Q Star Tours......great distance and great feel around the greens. #CobraCONNECT using the new F8's from Cobra Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: Tour Edge Exotics EXS w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft BACKUP DRIVER: Cobra F8 w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Fairways: Cobra King F8 3W(14.5*) & 5W(18.5*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Hybrids: Tour Edge CBX 119 4H(22*) with Project X Evenflo regular shaft Irons: Wilson Staff D7 5 - PW w/Recoil 460 regular shafts Wedges: Wilson D7 GW(50*) & SW(54*) w/Recoil 460 regular shafts; Cleveland RTX Zipcore(58*) w/True Temper Spinner Wedge steel shaft Putter: 33" Slotline SSi 693 mid mallet Bag: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag(Peacoat Blue). Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo42 6,049 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Yea- they're gone Just ordered 2 doz chrome softs, prev version Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
AH1980MN 937 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think just about everybody would benefit from a urethane covered ball. This talk of cheapest for your swing speed is focusing on distance, and that's really not a selling point for me. Quote WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. 82 3,863 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think just about everybody would benefit from a urethane covered ball. This talk of cheapest for your swing speed is focusing on distance, and that's really not a selling point for me.I dont know if you are referencing my post above, but my example is a guy in their 70's, who hits his best drive maybe 180 yards (200 if he hits a miracle shot). At those numbers, it honestly won't matter what ball you hit. Combine that with the fact that they hit every shot into a green as a low line drive. At that tragectory, I don't even care if you had a string attached to that ball, you aren't making it spin backwards or stop. Their typical hole was drive to about 175, chunk an approach shot, take 8 iron from 70 yards, and hope to miss the sandtrap as it hits 20 yards short of the green and runs up and through the green. They pitch back on from over the back, and then 3 putt for whatever. These are guys that have no short game, and essentially struggle to break 90 on a good day. But they keep coming back with ProV1s in their bag. Look, to each his own, and I hope when I am pushing 80 I can still swing a club, but as cheap as I am, if my game deteriorates to the level I describe above, I'm buying the cheapest $10 per dozen ball I can find, because anything more than that is a complete waste of money. Sent from my coral using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to post Share on other sites
raymaffit 31 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I've used Pro V1's and for me, it's like hitting a stone...it has no distance and take an AWFUL flight path... I swing slow so I use a senior flex driver with Noodle Long and Softs or Cally Supersofts. Since I found that combo I've been really happy... $4 golf balls don't help everyone, for sure. raymaffit Greensburg, Pa Taylormade Burner Superfast HT Driver Top Flite 5 wood, 3/4 Hybrid Nike SQ Machspeed 4i-AW Odyssey DFX 1100 Noodle Long and Soft 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glftips 33 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 How the ball is built is directly related to how the ball performs. Different golfers with different swing types (slow or fast swing speed, hooks/slices tendencies ect..) have different needs from the balls they use. The correct ball type selection for your swing will help you be more consistent in your shots. example - if your swing speed is say 70 or 80mph and you slice the ball why would you use a ProV1? Just because it's a "performance ball"? in most cases a ball like that will actually make your problems worse not better as you're getting a lot more spin which will increase your slice. What people are saying is that it does not matter how the ball is made for a study. The results are the data that are important. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Titleist TS 3 with Fuji Ventus R shaft Epic Flash 3 & 5 woods Cally Big Berta 2019 4 hybrid Cally Apex 2019 5-PW Cally 48* Honma TW4 56* Titleist Volker Raw wedge 60* Scotty Cameron X5 putter Link to post Share on other sites
WeekendGolfChef 6 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I love the idea. This would be great to see. MGS, a great choice would also be to select 3 groups of balls, the first would be tour level, amateur level and beginners level. The levels would be specific to the ball and what type of golfer would benefit from them. Hope to see something like this! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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